A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-14 Thread Andrew Robinson
In the past, I created 2 new components to make PPR easier from a declarative stand point. At the time, Adam Winer disagreed with their inclusion. Now, I wanted to see if there would be any objections to such components. I was thinking that that they would go in the sandbox first, then if

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-14 Thread Bruno Aranda
+1 Hi, I am not sure about the namespace but I would like to see those components included. I guess you mean something like a4j:support, right? And I happen to have that need from time to time... Cheers, Bruno 2008/5/15 Andrew Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In the past, I created 2 new componen

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Blake Sullivan
Andrew Robinson said the following On 5/14/2008 6:40 PM PT: In the past, I created 2 new components to make PPR easier from a declarative stand point. At the time, Adam Winer disagreed with their inclusion. Now, I wanted to see if there would be any objections to such components. Adam is pretty

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Andrew Robinson
He mentioned ways to do it using backing beans and non-declarative ways. He also didn't like my "always render" functionality of one of the components. Here are the links for just the 2 components that I already did and bugs and discussions surrounding them (but I think there is room for more alon

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Blake Sullivan
Why doesn't Adam's proposal: This all seems like enormous overkill *just* to get messages sent down. We have Javascript that can insert messages on the client. All we need to do is lean slightly on that code to reuse it for inserting server-side messages, and this'll work fine without any archi

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Andrew Robinson
Taking one use case and putting it at the framework level will not address all possible use cases. The desire to have something always rendered does not have to be limited to messages. Furthermore, this assumes that messages are always shown using the Trinidad framework, which is a bad assumption.

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Blake Sullivan
Andrew Robinson said the following On 5/15/2008 12:08 PM PT: Taking one use case and putting it at the framework level will not address all possible use cases. The desire to have something always rendered does not have to be limited to messages. Furthermore, this assumes that messages are always

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-15 Thread Andrew Robinson
I would like to get back on track to the original subject and not let the messaging subject hijack the thread. Original topic: Is there enough interest from the developer community in supporting non-HTML PPR based components oriented for making PPR more declarative and extend PPR support for non-T

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-16 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
I am not that thrilled to treat ajax/ppr as a special case. Those components would do that (IMO). Sent from my iPod. Am 15.05.2008 um 23:02 schrieb "Andrew Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >: I would like to get back on track to the original subject and not let the messaging subject hijack the

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-16 Thread Blake Sullivan
OK, looking at the rest of the JIRA issues: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TRINIDAD-664 Is a request for a component to add partial trigger functionality to non-Trinidad components. The supplied code is uncommented, so some of the proposed functionality is unclear, however this raises

Re: A4J-like Trinidad components?

2008-05-17 Thread Andrew Robinson
I think that there are some good things to think about and talk about here. I just don't have time at the moment to really dive into this. Just wanted to respond so as not to look like I am ignoring the response. -A On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Blake Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK,