Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Kirk Pepperdine
Wow, I just read the blog post and I have to say… wow…… this blog really speaks the truth. We have JS engine embedded into the JVM. Is it unusable? — Kirk > On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Kirk Pepperdine wrote: > > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: >> >> Hi Kirk, >> >> On S

Re: The bundle "xxx" could not be resolved. Reason: Missing Constraint: Import-Package...

2018-03-18 Thread Emilian Bold
> [...] before it was declared as a "Require-Bundle" and now it's under > "Import-Package": > And I don't know why yet but NetBeans doesn't seem to like it?! Well, this is the OSGI layer. I can't find the actual documentation but on this old wiki I don't see Import-Package mentioned: http://wiki

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Victor Williams Stafusa da Silva
I did not read all the e-mails in this long thread, and I'm probably somewhat late to answer. But since people are/were talking about electron (or other replacements for Swing/AWT/JavaFX), let's give a look at this and not commit the same mistakes: https://josephg.com/blog/electron-is-flash-for-the

Re: The bundle "xxx" could not be resolved. Reason: Missing Constraint: Import-Package...

2018-03-18 Thread Christian Bourque
After digging some more I found out that this requirement is actually coming from JGit itself! And it seems that the com.jcraft.jsch dependency has been changed in JGit 4.5, before it was declared as a "Require-Bundle" and now it's under "Import-Package": https://github.com/eclipse/jgit/commit/e2

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Kirk Pepperdine
> On Mar 18, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > > Hi Kirk, > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 at 08:12 Kirk Pepperdine wrote: > >> There are entire classes of applications that cannot be easily managed in >> HTML today. HTML/JS simply doesn’t scale in it’s current incantation. >> Without Swing/FX t

RE: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: ApacheHTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Jan Tosovsky
On 2018-03-18 Christian Lenz wrote: > > ... In a web world, we are in a fast living century. Nowadays and some years > ago, > we have now Flex box and it is easy possible. Sure, if you have to fight with > old > Browsers, you have to made smth Special, but those are Workarounds or > polyfills

How to implement a Multi-knob-slider - HTML for JAVA API or Swing?

2018-03-18 Thread Oliver Rettig
Hi, I am thinking about implementing a complex multi-knobs slider UI component for my netbeans platform apps. I need knobs build from several bitmaps, which can be dragged and moved separatly and a scale with ticks and an arbitrary count of bitmaps overlayed on the slider to mark specific po

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

2018-03-18 Thread Neil C Smith
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 at 18:35 John McDonnell wrote: > I think there was a PR for the website opened recently today to fix that. > I merged and rebuilt this already - please check it's now as expected. We're putting bits in place for the build to be automated - at the moment I appear to be acting

Re: NB 9.0 Beta

2018-03-18 Thread John McDonnell
Hi, I think there was a PR for the website opened recently today to fix that. John On 17 March 2018 at 21:01, Markus Kilås wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe it has already been discussed here, but there is also some > confusion/mixup with the hashes and signatures of the binaries on the > download page:

Re: try-with-resources and AutoCloseable in our codebase

2018-03-18 Thread Matthias Bläsing
Hey Emilian, Am Samstag, den 17.03.2018, 07:45 -0400 schrieb Emilian Bold: > I really like how each try-with-resources removes at least 2 lines > (the finally block). Agreed. > And I was just using ProgressHandle the other day which is a perfect > fit for an AutoCloseable resource, so I've creat

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Wade Chandler
Which is funny to me because when I was working most of the time with Swing (the IDE and platform apps), I focused mainly on responsive UIs. I think a lot of it comes down to specifying specifically what we are talking about. Given a specific UI of form components, making a responsive and expans

Re: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFXfromOracle JDK

2018-03-18 Thread John Kostaras
+1 for a UI agnostic NetBeans Platform On 15 March 2018 at 23:07, Antonio wrote: > On 15/03/18 22:49, Sven Reimers wrote: > >> Thanks for great API's Jarda - let's create even better API's together for >> the future. >> >> > +1 > > And thanks for the book too! > > > -

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Neil C Smith
Hi Kirk, On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 at 08:12 Kirk Pepperdine wrote: > There are entire classes of applications that cannot be easily managed in > HTML today. HTML/JS simply doesn’t scale in it’s current incantation. > Without Swing/FX there are no good alternatives in Java. > This reminds me of a conv

AW: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: ApacheHTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Christian Lenz
Hey Gili, sry but those examples are old as Methusalem. In a web world, we are in a fast living century. Nowadays and some years ago, we have now Flex box and it is easy possible. Sure, if you have to fight with old Browsers, you have to made smth Special, but those are Workarounds or polyfills

AW: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread toni.epple
Hi Gili, the problems in the referenced threads are browser compatibility issues. These are annoying, I fully agree. Yet they have nothing to do with using HTML/CSS for UIs. They are only an issue for web development. They are not an issue if you use a framework like Electron, because you ship

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Peter Steele
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, 20:08 Jaroslav Tulach, wrote: > Hello Dmitry, > thanks a lot for trying it out! > > 2018-03-15 2:50 GMT+01:00 Dmitry Avtonomov : > > > I find it incredible that Jaroslav is saying "... people aren't willing > to > > dedicate 10minutes of their personal time to try HTML/Java A

Re: Usability study was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI

2018-03-18 Thread Kirk Pepperdine
There are entire classes of applications that cannot be easily managed in HTML today. HTML/JS simply doesn’t scale in it’s current incantation. Without Swing/FX there are no good alternatives in Java. Regards, Kirk > On Mar 18, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Gili T. wrote: > > I humbly disagree. Last tim