Re: Needed: Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-09-22 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Hi Geertjan, First, my timezone is Pacific time. I've read through the docs. It seems I'm going to have a bit more task, than before, but I guess the first time was the hardest one. 1. After we finalize the scope, merge whatever PR is out to be merged, we need to create a release branch,

Re: Work Offline as a Global Setting for the Platform?

2018-09-22 Thread Brett Ryan
Well, the always online mentality is not a good one because many corporations block sites, we have the plugin portal blocked as an example. Some of us with poor internet also suffer a bad experience, it’s getting better here but I had dialup only 3 years ago, much of Australia still has bad

Re: Public vs. Friend API Reloaded (Summary)

2018-09-22 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Hi all, This list is what we have inside the current codebase (Without Yenta on other locations.) I put those here which have 10+ friend marked. (The complete list is attached) Upon this list it could be a good choice to try make the following public (maybe for NetBeans 10): *

Work Offline as a Global Setting for the Platform?

2018-09-22 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Hi all, Even in the on-line always connected world, what do you think of the value of a global Work Offline property supported by the platform? It just popped in my mind reading the JavaHelp replacement thread, and I myself has some offline/online workflows as well.

Re: Should the NetBeans CodeOne talks be mentioned on Apache site?

2018-09-22 Thread Josh Juneau
I've just had a change in plans and I will likely be attending Oracle Code One this year. If anyone needs help with a NetBeans talk then I'd be happy to assist. I'll definitely try to be in attendance at the Thirsty Bear on Saturday evening. Josh Juneau juneau...@gmail.com

Spurious maven selenium dependencies added

2018-09-22 Thread Tim Boudreau
I've been wondering about this for more than a year, and it happened today while working on a NetBeans module project. It happens once every few months - you're working on some project, and go to build it and discover that *something* has added this to your pom.xml:

RE: Future of JavaHelp (or a replacement) in NetBeans?

2018-09-22 Thread Jan Tosovsky
Btw, not NB related, we switched from JavaHelp to a set of static HTML pages (generated using custom XSLT stylesheets from DocBook XML source): + no internet access is required + preserving context help linking + easier styling + responsive layout - limited search capabilities (keywords processed

Re: build error

2018-09-22 Thread Matthias Bläsing
Hi, Am Samstag, den 22.09.2018, 10:39 -0500 schrieb Glenn Holmer: > I'm trying to build the current NetBeans sources from scratch, but > get > this error: > > Could not download > D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip from > http://hg.netbeans.org/binaries/ ... Connection

build error

2018-09-22 Thread Glenn Holmer
I'm trying to build the current NetBeans sources from scratch, but get this error: Could not download D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip from http://hg.netbeans.org/binaries/ ... Connection reset Is it just me? -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the

Re: Future of JavaHelp (or a replacement) in NetBeans?

2018-09-22 Thread Bernd Ruehlicke
Uh ... my application is often used in areas without any network connection. Even though the UI is not the most beautiful in the world it is a very helpful tool and I use JavaHelp quite extensively. Of course I am in line with Time, a chance is needed but we should have the case in mind for

Re: Future of JavaHelp (or a replacement) in NetBeans?

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Nabbefeld
One issue may be validation: The JavaHelp DTDs are no more located at the given system URLs, resulting in errors if You don't use an EntityResolver. Online help has is disadvantages, too: 1. While NB help could be provided on the internet, third-party plugins would not fit into it easily.

Re: Future of JavaHelp (or a replacement) in NetBeans?

2018-09-22 Thread Antonio
+1 to online help. On 22/09/18 16:16, Tim Boudreau wrote: I've been thinking for at least a decade and a half that javahelp needs to die. It's basically a clone of the Windows 3.1 help system. Evidence was, last I knew, that it was rarely used by real users. Online help would, IMHO, be fine

Re: Future of JavaHelp (or a replacement) in NetBeans?

2018-09-22 Thread Tim Boudreau
I've been thinking for at least a decade and a half that javahelp needs to die. It's basically a clone of the Windows 3.1 help system. Evidence was, last I knew, that it was rarely used by real users. Online help would, IMHO, be fine in this era. -Tim On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:15 AM Peter

Re: Public vs. Friend API Reloaded (Summary)

2018-09-22 Thread Tim Boudreau
An extension API is something that could be bolted on top of CSL pretty simply as another layer. For example, an implementation of the semantic highlighting interface that delegates to instances it finds in some lookup. And repeat that pattern for everything else. That would be straightforward to

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
6. Maven artifacts available, now possible because Apache now owns the org.netbeans domain. Gj On Saturday, September 22, 2018, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > It's good to hear these positive signals from the Apache NetBeans mentors, > many thanks. > > It is

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It's good to hear these positive signals from the Apache NetBeans mentors, many thanks. It is truly a reflection as well of the support that the mentors and the Apache infrastructure as a whole have given Apache NetBeans -- and, bear in mind, all of it for free. Really, unbelievable, when you

Re: How to write/update/deploy netbeans modules for usage as dependencies in plugin development?

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Nabbefeld
Hm, why does spec.version.base=1.41.0 differ from the jar's version? IMHO, this doesn't make really sense for a module adding "just" a jar to NB. Regards Peter Am 22.09.18 um 12:22 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga: Start by pointing where in the source code, i.e., provide a link to the Apache

Re: How to write/update/deploy netbeans modules for usage as dependencies in plugin development?

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Nabbefeld
The module's source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/tree/master/ide/libs.xerces It refers to xerces 2.8. IMO, this should be updated to the newest one (2.12.0). Beginning from version 2.10 there's XSD 1.1 support included, with error corrections in both newer

Re: Public vs. Friend API Reloaded (Summary)

2018-09-22 Thread Sven Reimers
I completely agree... (with my Groovy support hat on) -Sven Svata Dedic schrieb am Sa., 22. Sep. 2018, 10:41: > Hi, > > Sorry to disagree, but CSL APIs are bad example, but for another reason. > The CSL API design is (IMHO) bad at its core: Language provides a great > way for a new language

Re: How to write/update/deploy netbeans modules for usage as dependencies in plugin development?

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Start by pointing where in the source code, i.e., provide a link to the Apache NetBeans GitHub repo here, the current Xerces code, etc, references, are found, and let's start there in understanding what needs to be done. Gj On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Peter Nabbefeld wrote: > Hello, > >

How to write/update/deploy netbeans modules for usage as dependencies in plugin development?

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Nabbefeld
Hello, I'd like to update a NetBeans module (Xerces to version 2.12). For the original Ant build, the sources are located on Github, so they can be changed. But: 1. I have to upload an updated external library - there're upload instructions to Mercurial at

Re: Needed: Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Hi Laszlo, The things that are involved in managing the release are described in "Producing a Release Candidate" below: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+README It would be good to go through that and see where you anticipate problems and just get an

Re: Public vs. Friend API Reloaded (Summary)

2018-09-22 Thread Sven Reimers
Hi, csl is a good example. It is the backbone of most of the language supports in NetBeans and could benefit from a stable API to make implementing support for other languages easier - maybe something to pick up for NetBeans 11? -Sven Geertjan Wielenga schrieb am Sa., 22. Sep. 2018, 09:54: >

Re: Public vs. Friend API Reloaded (Summary)

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > > > Option 4: Make Module Public when There is more than a Certain Number of > Friend Dependencies. > > So sometime in the future I'm going to create a list of how many friends a > module does have and share the list with you. > That is

Re: Needed: Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
And what's your timezone? People working on Apache NetBeans come from all timezones, I believe. Thanks, Gj On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Geertjan Wielenga < geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Awesome! > > Gj > > On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Laszlo Kishalmi < >

Re: Needed: Release Manager for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-09-22 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Awesome! Gj On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > I volunteer this time. > > I hope timezone shift won't be an issue. > > > > On 09/21/2018 12:41 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > >> Some potential candidates for this role, i.e., which is pretty impressive, >> the fact that we