Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-21 Thread Pierre Smits
Adrian, Is your new framework also intended to solve https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5458, as you outlined in your comments there? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-21 Thread Adrian Crum
Yes, that can be included. Adrian Crum Sandglass Software www.sandglass-software.com On 1/21/2014 4:08 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: Adrian, Is your new framework also intended to solve https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5458, as you outlined in your comments there? Regards, Pierre Smits

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-21 Thread Scott Gray
Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix them. You'd probably need to go into more detail on that, if I'm not mistaken Moqui's intention was to do the opposite. Personally I don't think you're going to get much support for a full framework rewrite, initially at least,

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-21 Thread Adrian Crum
In the original discussion, David provided a very nice description of why a rewrite is necessary. There seemed to be some support for it at the time, but looking back, it appears I was the only one who supported the idea. Therefore, I have to come to the same conclusion David did: Innovation

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-21 Thread Pierre Smits
Adrian, Innovation, for sure, is not impossible in this community. Only in a subset of it. It would be a loss for this community if you would do it elsewhere. Like it is a loss that David took his elsewhere. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-19 Thread Adrian Crum
Using Moqui was suggested in the links I posted, but no one has done anything about it. Like I said, The goal would be to start over from scratch - using sound design principles and the lessons learned from the current code. Moqui copies problems from our existing framework, I want to fix

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-19 Thread Pierre Smits
+1 on finalizing Another Framework Vision document in cwiki +1 on: refactoring in a new branch. +1 on: with the help from others Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com* Services Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On

Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-18 Thread Adrian Crum
Some years ago we engaged in a discussion about rewriting the OFBiz framework: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-dev/201203.mbox/%3c4f4f51da.50...@sandglass-software.com%3E Then a suggestion was made to base OFBiz on the Moqui framework:

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-18 Thread Hans Bakker
Adrian, My position is that OFBiz will probably last another 10-20 years and i am not in favor of big changes in the OFBiz framework and certainly are against replacing it unless it is Moqui. When i think the Moqui framework is ready to take over, we will slowly move GrowERP and our

Re: Framework Refactor - Revisited

2014-01-18 Thread Hans Bakker
If thinking a step furtherwe are in for a slimdown? Then why not start efforts replacing in the ofbiz project, the framework with the moqui framework? then the Apache OFBiz project could work together with the Moqui Mantle developments. just a thought Regards, Hans On