Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-18 Thread Olivier Heintz
Le 16/03/2012 18:03, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Thanks for all the comments; but I actually didn't want to fall again in the never ending story about what we think the perfect applications should look like: it is way too abstract topic, there are so many different opinions and it has been

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-16 Thread Pierre Smits
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out in your production implementations? I think that would help creating insight. Regards, Pierre Op 14

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-16 Thread Erwan de FERRIERES
Le 14/03/2012 23:04, Tom Burns a écrit : I see these applications as falling into two categories. Applications that are common to most businesses and domain specific applications. This follows the pattern laid out in the two DMR Books. The former, more general, category should get the most

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-16 Thread Nicolas Malin
the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out in your production implementations? I think that would help creating insight. Regards, Pierre Op 14 maart 2012 18:33 schreef Adrian Crum adrian.c...@sandglass-software.comhet volgende

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-16 Thread Nicolas Malin
From: Nicolas Malinmalin.nico...@librenberry.net To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:20 AM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi, At this time, applications components embedded functional framework

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components (Intro)

2012-03-16 Thread Olivier Heintz
of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out in your production implementations? I think that would help creating insight. Regards, Pierre Op 14 maart 2012 18:33 schreef Adrian Crum adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com het volgende: Understood

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components (2)

2012-03-16 Thread Olivier Heintz
comments are in-line Le 14/03/2012 18:22, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : Thank you Adrian. Just to clarify that I was not talking about the architecture of the framework (topic for another day) but only for the layout of the applications and it is not based on what I think it is best in general

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components (3)

2012-03-16 Thread Olivier Heintz
comments are in-line Le 14/03/2012 19:34, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit : On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: Understood. As a service provider, I regularly comment out unused applications I would be interested to know what are the applications under the applications folder that

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components (4)

2012-03-16 Thread Olivier Heintz
with Human Resources. Is anyone interested? Tom From: Pierre Smitspierre.sm...@gmail.com To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-16 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
of the customization needs. Tom From: Nicolas Malinmalin.nico...@librenberry.net To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:20 AM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi, At this time, applications

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-15 Thread Nicolas Malin
. Is anyone interested? Tom From: Pierre Smitspierre.sm...@gmail.com To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-15 Thread Tom Burns
the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi, At this time, applications components embedded functional framework and business oriented (massively B2C) and aren't user friendly. I possible solution will be have a dedicate application components for only Consultant or high level user

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-15 Thread Anne
with Human Resources. Is anyone interested? Tom  From: Pierre Smitspierre.sm...@gmail.com To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you

Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
In the eraly days of the project, the OFBiz applications have been designed as independent components to make them more reusable and because they were designed to be a set of reusable and generic artifacts, each of them based on a specific domain of the data model (order, party, product

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Adrian Crum
That approach sounds very monolithic, and I tend to avoid monoliths. I gave this subject a lot of thought about a year ago when I was working on a vision for a new framework (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Another+Framework+Vision). In particular, I was trying to devise

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Thank you Adrian. Just to clarify that I was not talking about the architecture of the framework (topic for another day) but only for the layout of the applications and it is not based on what I think it is best in general but instead about what I think it is best to represent what we have

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Adrian Crum
Understood. As a service provider, I regularly comment out unused applications and build hot-deploy components to replace OOTB OFBiz components. I override service definitions, redefine entity definitions, etc - all in an effort to take what's good in OFBiz, and replace what's not-so-good. I

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: Understood. As a service provider, I regularly comment out unused applications I would be interested to know what are the applications under the applications folder that you comment out: do you you mean web applications, not component and

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Pierre Smits
Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out in your production implementations? I think that would help creating insight. Regards, Pierre Op 14 maart 2012 18:33 schreef Adrian Crum adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com het volgende: Understood. As a service provider, I

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread Tom Burns
From: Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list the applications you comment out in your production implementations? I think that would

Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components

2012-03-14 Thread hongs bill
with Human Resources. Is anyone interested? Tom From: Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Rethinking the structure of the OFBiz Applications Components Hi Adrian, Could you list