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2010-02-27 Thread Christopher Snow
Hi Adam, What would be your preferred tool for managing the builds if we made ofbiz more modular? Many thanks, Chris Adam Heath wrote: Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, I too would like to see a more modular ofbiz (e.g. maven + osgi), but that is a big step. For example, it would be

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2010-02-27 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
On Feb 26, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Bruno Busco wrote: This is what I am also trying to do. Just have the possibility to *remove* all the applications but party and content from an OFBiz installation and have it working. I think this has to be done into two separate and independent steps: 1)

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2010-02-27 Thread Adam Heath
Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, What would be your preferred tool for managing the builds if we made ofbiz more modular? Must be stand-alone. Can't depend on anything from the network. Network resources may not be available in all cases. Plus, network resources can become stale, and go

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2010-02-27 Thread Christopher Snow
Hi Adam, do you know of any tools available that meet these requirements? Adam Heath wrote: Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, What would be your preferred tool for managing the builds if we made ofbiz more modular? Must be stand-alone. Can't depend on anything from the network.

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2010-02-27 Thread Adam Heath
Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, do you know of any tools available that meet these requirements? Um, I may be going out on a limb here, but ant? Adam Heath wrote: Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, What would be your preferred tool for managing the builds if we made ofbiz more modular?

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2010-02-27 Thread David E Jones
Thanks for this Adam. These are great points maven versus ant. -David On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Adam Heath wrote: Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, What would be your preferred tool for managing the builds if we made ofbiz more modular? Must be stand-alone. Can't depend on

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2010-02-27 Thread Christopher Snow
Please excuse my ignorance... If the ofbiz src tree was split up into new svn projects (e.g. entity engine, service engine, etc) , would ant be able to easily manage the dependencies between each project? If maven doesn't do the job of managing dependencies very well, what about ivy? Many

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2010-02-27 Thread Adam Heath
David E Jones wrote: Thanks for this Adam. These are great points maven versus ant. It may be possible to do what I want with maven. But the fact that in *all* cases where I have had the horror of seeing maven used by a project, they have *all* been network based, required maven installed in

What is ofbiz? was Re: first steps to framework independence! vote here!

2010-02-26 Thread Adam Heath
You haven't gone far enough. Stop thinking about just what you want. Or just what Bruno wants. Or what the guy from Timbuktu wants. Think about what we all want. Namely, the ability to pick and choose the parts of ofbiz that we want to make use of. Arbitrary assignments of components into

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2010-02-26 Thread Bruno Busco
This is what I am also trying to do. Just have the possibility to *remove* all the applications but party and content from an OFBiz installation and have it working. Please stop thinking about moving things in or out of the framework. The framework, if you like how it is right now, can stay there

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2010-02-26 Thread Adam Heath
Bruno Busco wrote: This is what I am also trying to do. Just have the possibility to *remove* all the applications but party and content from an OFBiz installation and have it working. Please stop thinking about moving things in or out of the framework. The framework, if you like how it is

Re: What is ofbiz? was Re: first steps to framework independence! vote here!

2010-02-26 Thread Adam Heath
Adam Heath wrote: Bruno Busco wrote: This is what I am also trying to do. Just have the possibility to *remove* all the applications but party and content from an OFBiz installation and have it working. Please stop thinking about moving things in or out of the framework. The framework, if

Re: What is ofbiz? was Re: first steps to framework independence! vote here!

2010-02-26 Thread Christopher Snow
Hi Adam, I too would like to see a more modular ofbiz (e.g. maven + osgi), but that is a big step. For example, it would be great if people wanting to use just the entity engine could just download the entity engine jars and be up and running. However, what Bruno and I are proposing is

Re: What is ofbiz? was Re: first steps to framework independence! vote here!

2010-02-26 Thread Adam Heath
Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adam, I too would like to see a more modular ofbiz (e.g. maven + osgi), but that is a big step. For example, it would be great if people wanting to use just the entity engine could just download the entity engine jars and be up and running. Ew! You said the