Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Mathias, So - since you want to kill the thread, lets try to do that; but first I must address this: On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 23:48 +0100, Mathias Bauer wrote: What makes you think it could be anything else? Wow, how easy it is to get some public interest. It's enough to give others

Re: [dev] [Calc] Data pilot from OLAP data

2008-02-07 Thread Niklas Nebel
Andreas Saeger wrote: What are the preconditions to create a data pilot from OLAP data as suggested by the disabled third option in the first pilot dialog and in the online help: Help called from Select source dialog: External source/interface Opens the External Source dialog where you can

Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Mathias Bauer
Michael Meeks wrote: So - since you want to kill the thread, lets try to do that; but first I must address this: I don't want to kill the thread - I'm not even empowered to do that. :-) Please see at the end of the mail what I wanted to see stopped. Unfortunately, reading back,

Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Allen Pulsifer wrote: What I would like to consider common sense tells me that of course you continue to be the owner of the code you contributed, Caolan continues to be the owner of the code he contributed... Apparently you have not read the terms of the copyright assignment. I think Frank

RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Allen Pulsifer
What I would like to consider common sense tells me that of course you continue to be the owner of the code you contributed, Caolan continues to be the owner of the code he contributed... Apparently you have not read the terms of the copyright assignment.

RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Allen Pulsifer
2. yes, FSF doesn't accept e.g. non-paper-worked contributions to free software it maintains, e.g. Emacs. The obvious point, if we must belabor it, is that an organization like FSF would never take an open source program to which it held an assigned copyright and re-license it under a

RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Allen Pulsifer
i am speaking as a community member and not as Sun employee ;-) Three month ago or so we had more or less the same discussion. I thought the current situation was clarified and no further discussion is necessary until Sun brings it up or if Sun would misuse the copyright. Thank you for

Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Allen Pulsifer wrote (7-2-2008 22:48) the means you are using to change the situation (flooding dev@ list with offtopic) are wrong. There is nothing off-topic about this discussion. It is highly relevant to every developer who is not also an employee of Sun Microsystems. Hmm, I always

[dev] Re: [Calc] Data pilot from OLAP data

2008-02-07 Thread Andreas Saeger
Niklas Nebel wrote: That third option is enabled if you have an implementation of the UNO service com.sun.star.sheet.DataPilotSource, for example from an extension. It's then up to that extension to provide the results. It could use an OLAP server, but I'm not aware of an extension that

RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Allen Pulsifer
The intent is not to mislead, but present the reality. I would argue that talk of Joint, and Shared in copyright assignments (by contrast) is to market the unpleasant fact with meaningless friendly sounding terms :-) ie. the plain truth is perhaps not quite as obvious as you

RE: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Allen Pulsifer
the means you are using to change the situation (flooding dev@ list with offtopic) are wrong. There is nothing off-topic about this discussion. It is highly relevant to every developer who is not also an employee of Sun Microsystems.

Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Juergen Schmidt
Hi, i am speaking as a community member and not as Sun employee ;-) Three month ago or so we had more or less the same discussion. I thought the current situation was clarified and no further discussion is necessary until Sun brings it up or if Sun would misuse the copyright. The Butler

Re: [dev] Butler Office Pro - really a violation ?

2008-02-07 Thread Pavel Janík
On 7.2.2008, at 23:47, Allen Pulsifer wrote: i am speaking as a community member and not as Sun employee ;-) Three month ago or so we had more or less the same discussion. I thought the current situation was clarified and no further discussion is necessary until Sun brings it up or if Sun