Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-23 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany
Hi Michael, To me, this whole discussions seems to be about the "bring it in quick (and sometimes dirty)" vs. "bring it in slow, but matured (though sometimes still dirty)" controverse. It's a matter of taste, belief, and perhaps experience which approach one prefers. You prefer the first on

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-23 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Niklas, On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 10:40 +0200, Niklas Nebel wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote: > > Let me show you why I feel this way, from a simple example I was > > reading this morning: notice the consultation going on in this issue: > > > > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=5620

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-22 Thread Mathias Bauer
Uwe Fischer wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Michael Meeks wrote: >> So - my experience is that the more people involved in a decision - the >> less likely any decision is to be taken: consider the difficulty of >> choosing a restaurant with 3 people vs. 10 people. "I don't like >> Chinese", "I can'

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-20 Thread Andrew Young
David Wilson wrote: Perhaps if at the bottom of every help page there was a email link with "Please contact us about any any problems or suggestions with this help topic. We want to make perfect.)" You would get more comments. (Using the link should add the topic name and language and help ve

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-20 Thread Uwe Fischer
Hi David, David Wilson wrote: On Friday 20 October 2006 7:14 am, Michael Meeks wrote: As I say, of the ~million or so users that have been exposed to the outdated help in this area, none I know of have noticed or cared enough to actually file a bug. In general people are amazed when they

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-20 Thread Uwe Fischer
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks wrote: So - my experience is that the more people involved in a decision - the less likely any decision is to be taken: consider the difficulty of choosing a restaurant with 3 people vs. 10 people. "I don't like Chinese", "I can't walk far", "I know this place .

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-20 Thread Niklas Nebel
Michael Meeks wrote: Let me show you why I feel this way, from a simple example I was reading this morning: notice the consultation going on in this issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=56202 [snip] --- Additional comments from nn Tue Apr 4 ... 2006 --- Defau

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-19 Thread David Wilson
On Friday 20 October 2006 7:14 am, Michael Meeks wrote: >  As I say, of the ~million or so users that have been exposed to the > outdated help in this area, none I know of have noticed or cared enough > to actually file a bug. In general people are amazed when they find a help system actually

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-19 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Frank, On Wed, 2006-10-18 at 12:35 +0200, Frank Schönheit wrote: > In this case, Uwe would have told you that various documentation would > need to be updated, to keep the product consistent So - my experience is that the more people involved in a decision - the less likely any decisio

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-18 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germa ny
Hi Rüdiger, > while you made some valid points, this one does not hold: > 1) Timing of integration is not under control of CWS owner. Program > Management is responsible here. > 2) Integrating the CWS on 2006-10-06 is in time. UI freeze of 2006-10-05 > means that your CWS has to be approved by Q

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-18 Thread Rüdiger Timm
Hi Frank, Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Michael, [...] Other people could have told you that integrating the CWS on 2006-11-06, one day after the UI freeze, could cause trouble with translation (I don't think it did it this case). while you made some valid points, this

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-18 Thread Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germa ny
Hi Michael, Additional to the good points already raised by Mathias (which I agree to in really every item), my opinion on this: The general idea is: Involve people early, not after it's done and integrated. Nobody can oversee *everything* alone, and if you ask other stakeholders, they might have

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-18 Thread Uwe Fischer
Hi, my mail first was written as a complaint on our StarOffice internal board. I tried to get some internal answers on how to handle community contributions where there is no clear statement whether and when the OOo code will be included into StarOffice as well. Then several people asked me to

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-18 Thread Mathias Bauer
Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Uwe, > > On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 13:50 +0200, Uwe Fischer wrote: >> Don't get me wrong - I love this feature and I will never say anything >> negative about Michael Meeks, who surely is a programming genius. ;-) > > Haha ;-) the sarcasm detector just exploded. I d

Re: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-17 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Uwe, On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 13:50 +0200, Uwe Fischer wrote: > Don't get me wrong - I love this feature and I will never say anything > negative about Michael Meeks, who surely is a programming genius. ;-) Haha ;-) the sarcasm detector just exploded. > How am I supposed to deliver a ti

RE: [dev] m187 (was: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails)

2006-10-11 Thread Kirill S. Palagin
OK, thanks! > -Original Message- > From: Eike Rathke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:09 PM > To: dev@openoffice.org > Subject: [dev] m187 (was: [dev] A word about (missing) > Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails) >

[dev] m187 (was: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails)

2006-10-11 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Kirill, On Wednesday, 2006-10-11 16:19:33 +0400, Kirill S. Palagin wrote: > (Sorry for hijacking the thread) You're lucky you weren't successfully achieving that because your mailer-non-tool doesn't generate neither References nor In-Reply-To headers ;-) Anyway.. > Is m187 available outside

RE: [dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-11 Thread Kirill S. Palagin
about (missing) Specification Documents > and (late) Feature Mails > > Hi, > > today I installed build m187 on Solaris, and a new feature > surprised me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For ad

[dev] A word about (missing) Specification Documents and (late) Feature Mails

2006-10-11 Thread Uwe Fischer
Hi, today I installed build m187 on Solaris, and a new feature surprised me. Now StarOffice (may be also OOo) on Solaris / Gnome shows a working Quickstarter, like previously only the Windows versions and some Linux distributions did. Then I found the feature mail of last week by Michael Meek