Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-18 Thread Mathias Bauer
Martin Hollmichel wrote: Ok, I think we have the same understanding on this, so I suggest the wording: Issues should always be fixed on the next milestones, these leaves an exception open with mentioning it, the original statement didn't left any roon for exception, that's the reason why

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-11 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Jorg, On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:46 +0200, Jörg Jahnke wrote: What would be consequences of always fixing bugs in the next available milestone? - Clear rules. What has been announced as finished is finished, no one will touch it again. Neither inside nor outside SUN. I'm well up

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-09 Thread Pavel Janík
From: Martin Hollmichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:51:44 +0200 Issues should always be fixed on the next milestones, I agree with this. But an idea: in the past we have seen several step milestones as well. So if the issue is critical enough, can't we just make *new*

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-09 Thread Martin Hollmichel
From technical perspective there seem to be no difference between milestone and step anymore, Martin Pavel Janík wrote: From: Martin Hollmichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:51:44 +0200 Issues should always be fixed on the next milestones, I agree with this. But an

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-09 Thread Jens-Heiner Rechtien
Hi, Martin Hollmichel wrote: From technical perspective there seem to be no difference between milestone and step anymore, There was never a technical difference. It was just about the time Hamburg RE will hold a milestone which is absolutely meaningless for OOo which is why it was

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-09 Thread Bernd Eilers
-1 for introducing something like m181fix1 or similar Reason: This would be a change in the versioning scheme which would likely break something elsewhere where the version string is being parsed and broken up into subcomponents etc. This includes tooling like EIS as well as command-line

[dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Jörg Jahnke
Hi, the P1 issue i67982, that was found on the milestone m179 of SRC680, brought up the question whether there might be cases when it is useful to re-open a milestone that has already been announced as ready for CWS usage, in order to integrate a P1 bugfix. As this matter does not only

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Pavel Janík
From: Jörg Jahnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:46:07 +0200 Hi, I'll try to read this long e-mail completely in the evening again. But here is my first idea: _B) Wait with the ready for CWS usage announcement until QA approval_ Minor modification of this: after

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Jens-Heiner Rechtien
Hi, regarding position _B) below: one should point out that the milestone will be delayed for more than 2-3 days in case something is wrong with the milestone. Creating a CWS, fixing the bug, rebuilding, repackaging, doing again the automated tests can possibly delay the milestone by a week

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Hi, _A) Reasons to always fix the issues on the next milestone_ -1 for this one. I object because the _always_ is too strict. We had in the past situations, where we did for a single platform or a build configuration a fix, where a full rebuild for all platforms was not needed. Often these

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Bjoern Milcke
Hi all, _A) Reasons to always fix the issues on the next milestone_ After a milestone is announced on [EMAIL PROTECTED], developers nearly immediately start working on that milestone, they create childworkspaces or resync their existing CWS against it. For doing so they rely on having the

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Bjoern Milcke
Martin Hollmichel wrote: Hi, _A) Reasons to always fix the issues on the next milestone_ -1 for this one. I object because the _always_ is too strict. We had in the past situations, where we did for a single platform or a build configuration a fix, where a full rebuild for all platforms

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Nils Fuhrmann
_A) Reasons to always fix the issues on the next milestone_ -1 for this one. I object because the _always_ is too strict. +1 from me because of a very simple reason: I just believe in processes if they are defined and documented clear and strictly. I personally could not see any real

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Martin Hollmichel
Ok, I think we have the same understanding on this, so I suggest the wording: Issues should always be fixed on the next milestones, these leaves an exception open with mentioning it, the original statement didn't left any roon for exception, that's the reason why I objected, Additionally I

Re: [dev] Re-opening a milestone that has been announced as ready for CWS usage?

2006-08-02 Thread Rüdiger Timm
While talking about exceptions: even a possible rule of marking single milestones as not usable for accepting child workspaces needs exceptions. For example, there are childworkspaces working on build problems, code cleanup (license, remove obsolete files, ...), or CWS or build related tools