[dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings comrades, reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. This does not sell. Instead a whole environment could be pro- moted, which is usable across

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
The very use of the phrase Desktop Environment betrays your low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal conspiracy to restrict social mobility of non-institutional entity-computer interfaces. Your attempt to sidetrack philosophical advances by creating a cult of information around your

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Niki Yoshiuchi
Can I vote this best of? On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: The very use of the phrase Desktop Environment betrays your low-lying commitment to the capitalist patriarchal conspiracy to restrict social mobility of non-institutional entity-computer

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: Greetings comrades, reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. This does not sell.

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Sean Howard
Somebody claiming to be Christoph Lohmann wrote: Greetings comrades, reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. This does not sell. Instead a whole

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread stanio
* Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net [2011-11-07 20:23]: terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. [...] Instead a whole environment could be promoted, which is usable across platforms. Why? Promote to whom? What is your final goal: to educate the masses in order to get better

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
Another remark: On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make suckless more usable for the press. Suck- less by now is just a repository of tools or a philosophy. This does not sell. Instead a

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Corey Thomasson
On 7 November 2011 15:13, Sean Howard sil...@callysto.com wrote: The idea would be to first have an identity, the »Suckless Desktop«, which needs a logo, some texts and then links to the various parts of suckless. This would be the entrypoint for new users, where they can decide, what to

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Greetings. I am just answering Anselm, but try to answer the open questions of the other postings too. Anselm R Garbe wrote: Another remark: On 7 November 2011 20:21, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: reading [0] got me into thinking, if we need some plain new terminology to make

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 7 November 2011 21:34, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: It is not about adding something real. Suckless should stay as-is, but clarify (as done in this thread) its ideals – as you try to, too. Such rules then can be used to define what »suckless« really is. But the question is, if

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 11/07/11 at 09:34pm, Christoph Lohmann wrote: But yes, the users we want in suckless should be sophisticated enough to find this out on their own. We are taking the subset of users from the Ubuntu[0]-educated crowd and filter them for the real suckless users, that could spread our ideas. If

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Bryan Bennett
While I agree that a collection of suckless tools under one roof wouldbe pretty awesome (especially something like sta.li or witch linux), I'mnot sure that marketing as a desktop environment is the right thing to do. I'm part of a small project called tudor[0] that aims to replicate a DE 

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Bryan Bennett
(I apologize for my MUA failing as hard as it does...)

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread lordkrandel
Suckless should stay as-is, but clarify (as done in this thread) its ideals – as you try to, too. Such rules then can be used to define what »suckless« really is. To suck less is about subjectivity. It's a matter of taste. Suckless.org is about software tools available for everybody. Not about

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Justin Pogue
Dibs on writing the keyboard vs mouse for porn viewing documentation. We could sneak it in as an extra man page with DWM. man porn On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote: Of course we have huge disparities and holy fights, like how to edit text or if it is more

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Justin Pogue pogue.jus...@gmail.com wrote: man porn All pornography is male-oriented and oppressive. -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] Suckless Desktop Environment

2011-11-07 Thread Jacob Todd
I'm in favor of this man porn. On Nov 7, 2011 5:12 PM, Justin Pogue pogue.jus...@gmail.com wrote: Dibs on writing the keyboard vs mouse for porn viewing documentation. We could sneak it in as an extra man page with DWM. man porn On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net

Re: [dev] wmii + ruby 1.9.3 = no power woes!

2011-11-07 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Kurt H Maier karmaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim jfs.wo...@gmail.com wrote: hm. I see. So your argument was to disown wmii, because this *specific* configuration - and NOT wmii itself - requires ruby. Alright. No, I

Re: [dev] wmii + ruby 1.9.3 = no power woes!

2011-11-07 Thread Suraj N. Kurapati
On Thu 03 Nov 2011 09:57:19 AM PDT, Kurt H Maier wrote: There is nothing suckless about any aspect of modern wmii I thought Suckless folks were enthusiastic about Plan9 technologies; has this changed? If so, why? And how is modern wmii different from its, let's say, pre-modern phase? From my

Re: [dev] wmii + ruby 1.9.3 = no power woes!

2011-11-07 Thread Hadrian Węgrzynowski
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:28:59 -0800 Suraj N. Kurapati sun...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu 03 Nov 2011 09:57:19 AM PDT, Kurt H Maier wrote: There is nothing suckless about any aspect of modern wmii I thought Suckless folks were enthusiastic about Plan9 technologies; has this changed? If so, why? And