[dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Maciej Sobkowski
Hi, Is this possible to run devilspie with dwm? I can't get it to work. I want to match windows of particular apps and preform some actions on them, but devilspie doesn't see any windows at all. Is there any solution available? I've tried to get help on arch linux forum/irc/mailing list and also co

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 4 May 2011 17:23, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > Is this possible to run devilspie with dwm? I can't get it to work. I > want to match windows of particular apps and preform some actions on > them, but devilspie doesn't see any windows at all. Is there any > solution available? afaik devilspi

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
from what I understand, devilspie assumes a reparenting window manager, which is why you're not seeing any windows listed. What operations are you trying to perform on these windows? Anything that cannot be done in config.h?

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Maciej Sobkowski
I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is this possible to acomplish within config.h file? On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Bryan Bennett wrote: > from what I understand, devilspie assumes a reparenting window > manager, which is why you're not seeing any windows listed.

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Rob
On 4 May 2011 20:59, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is > this possible to acomplish within config.h file? This has been mentioned before on the list, generally transparency is seen as a superfluous extra by most suckless members. ... b

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? I use urxvt with both real and fake transparency and I've had absolutely no problem. Xterm, aterm, eterm, urxvt, sakura, evilvte and lilyterm all support some sort of transparency, so I don't see why devilspie OR that patch are needed at a

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread ilf
On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? st lacks this. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung signature.asc Description:

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
That's a feature. On May 5, 2011 3:39 AM, "ilf" wrote: > On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: >> Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? > > st lacks this. > > -- > ilf > > Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! > -- Eine Initiative des Bundesa

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is > this possible to acomplish within config.h file? Try instead getting a fucking life. uriel

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, On 5 May 2011 14:23, Uriel wrote: > > I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is > > this possible to acomplish within config.h file? > > Try instead getting a fucking life. Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode transparent terminals would

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On 5/5/11, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode > transparent terminals would allow you to keep an eye on the output of > several, layered upon one another. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. > Besides, there's no reason for transparen

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  "Reality" > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > "real") also has AIDS and war.  Maybe we should patch those into our > window managers too? This is the dumbest th

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Stanley Lieber
> Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Reality" > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > "real") also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our > window managers too? Then we could put dwm in monocle mode and keep an > eye on layere

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jakub Lach
5 May 2011 17:50 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.  "Reality" > > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > > "real") also has AIDS and war.  Maybe we should patch those int

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Bryan Bennett
Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor solution anyway, as it makes both the text and the window background equally transparent. Use one of

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Maciej Sobkowski
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Bryan Bennett wrote: > Ignoring the trolls posting here -  the solution is obvious. Use a > different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. > st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor > solution anyway, as it makes both the

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or > whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has > transparency, did you notice? Reality also has cancer and depression, so should programs rando

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > Didn't expected such a comotion becaouse of this. Ignore Uriel; he does not post useful information. --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total > sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How > fucking fallacious. *Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or whistle and shou

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is this suckmore or suckless? While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and co

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Aurélien Aptel
> hilarious argument about transparency that somehow > derived to AIDS I love this mailing list. Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them what they'

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Andrew Hills
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Why do you even bother communicating? --Andrew Hills

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > Why do you even bother communicating? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Robert Whitcomb
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen > > And 10x more who groan at the immature, rude, and condescending

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread flo
On Thu, 5 May 2011 16:55:27 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: Because for every one of you there are ten who listen and lough -flo

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Robert Whitcomb wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. > Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? > >> Because for every one of you there are ten who listen >> >

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? Yes, please exercise your freedom of choice and go fucking use Gnome. > Whil

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion?

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 03:05:03 PM Uriel wrote: > We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to > people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my > ideas were that I learned and now I know better. > I'd like to go out of my way to point out how fuck

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno wrote: > Listen to _what_ exactly?  There's nothing to listen too, it's just > substanceless vitriol.  Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent > of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of > reasoned discourse is indicative only o

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: > I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do.  I'm telling them > what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of > suckless is basically sound. Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments and finds out what

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:52:53 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno wrote: > > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just > > substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent > > of a social blunt-instrument; applying a bl

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:12:09 PM Jacob Todd wrote: > This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3 > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can dish i

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments > and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and > understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person > who religiously follows the preaching of so

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Anders Andersson
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text.  They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run.  This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware require

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
> Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is > (arguably) aesthetic. Thi

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:20 PM, wrote: > So... Houses simply shelter us from weather.  Automobiles simply transport > us from point A to point B.  Should we only live is sod huts?  Should we > only drive wooden go-carts?  Of course, anything else is just a waste of > resources, and computers are

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno wrote: > No doubt - I'm actually having fun.  It's amazing just how easy > it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over > the internet. > > It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt > his feelings. I expected as mu

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread mjm
> I build large-scale compute clusters. I build massive storage networks. I am > familiar with the sorts of things people are doing with large amounts > of processing power. "I am an intergalactic species from the planet . Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my " See

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:46:00 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware re

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 07:28:56 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno wrote: > > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy > > it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over > > the internet. > > > > It's too bad Kurt can dish it ou

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:39 PM, wrote: > "I am an intergalactic species from the planet . > Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my ridiculious banter here>" If you're too stupid to use google to verify my credentials -- well, I can't say I'm surprised. > See, I can

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 02:46, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: >> Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments >> and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and >> understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a perso

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Al Gest wrote: > Evasive answer. The question did not warrant more. > That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. > Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very > list. You seem perfectly happy to provide redundant vitri

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 04:49, Kurt H Maier wrote: > The question did not warrant more. It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. >> That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. >> Vitriol

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Al Gest wrote: > It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and > answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. No, you tremendous ass. The question was framed to insult me if I'd answered it. It's also irrelevant, be

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 05:06, Kurt H Maier wrote: > It's also irrelevant, because nobody is 'experiementing' > here.  There are other routes for 'experimentation.' Let me direct your attention to the original poster. > I'm not interested in how you think I come across.  Fortunately, > idiots like you don

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:20 AM, wrote: >> Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power >> required to render simple text.  They make a fundamental application >> harder for a computer to run.  This makes the core program less >> portable by raising the hardware requirements.  

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Al Gest wrote: >> I'm not interested in how you think I come across.  Fortunately, >> idiots like you don't control my speech. > > And yet you are clearly perturbed by it. It is disturbing that there are human beings inept and retarded enough to think transparent t

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Anders Andersson wrote: > I'd also like to compare that kind of retardness to people that have > lights *inside* their computer, complete with a window on the side of > the tower. Totally useless, wasting power, pollutes the vision by > shining coloured light where

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:48 AM, errno wrote: > I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements > about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal > emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. I hate hardware-emulation-terminals as much as a

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, wrote: >> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. > > I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion? There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at this lists archives. uriel

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Uriel
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Al Gest wrote: > On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do.  I'm telling them >> what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of >> suckless is basically sound. > > Who's likely to behave more in

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Hootiegibbon
After 53 messages in this thread, gmail just flagged it as spam. Would that be a feature? ;) Jase On 6 May 2011 06:29, "Uriel" wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, wrote: >> People who want transparent termin... There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at this li

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Jacob Todd
This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread Stefan Mark
On 05.05.2011 22:04, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? > Only sane argument so far. Anyway, go on list, i have enough Popcorn for the show :P gr

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-05 Thread errno
(for the tl;dr folks - nothing to see here, move along) On Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:28:03 PM Uriel wrote: > There is no justification whatsoever for transparent terminals. > From a purely sociological/psychological standpoint, I can't help but be fascinated with this sort of reasoning. I'm hon

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Stefan Mark
On 04.05.2011 23:00, Rob wrote: > And apply the patch. It might not apply cleanly since I diff'd from my > heavily patched dwm, so you'll have to do some shuftying. > There are also two other transparency patches available at the dwm site: http://dwm.suckless.org/patches/transparency (configurable

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Anselm R Garbe
On 6 May 2011 08:28, Jacob Todd wrote: > This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist. I second this. This thread has become longer than the wmii source code nearly ;) And it is not really hard to conclude that translucent terminals are bad for your eyes. After a short phase of being en

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread ilf
On 05-06 09:33, Anselm R Garbe wrote: This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist. This thread has become longer than the wmii source code nearly ;) http://xkcd.com/386/ -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiativ

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:47 AM, errno wrote: > Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples' > software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function > or purpose to rid the world of... transparent terminals or something? This is the sort of shi

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 15:13, Kurt H Maier wrote: > If stupidity goes unchallenged, it gets institutionalized, and then > you have Lennart Poettering. So why do you get so agitated when people challenge yours?

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Al Gest wrote: > So why do you get so agitated when people challenge yours? Is this supposed to be clever, or are you trying to say something -- # Kurt H Maier

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 10:13:31AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:47 AM, errno wrote: > > Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples' > > software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function > > or purpose to rid the wo

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread Al Gest
On 6 May 2011 15:39, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Is this supposed to be clever, or are you trying to say something I thought the implication was quite clear, my mistake.

Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work

2011-05-06 Thread hiro
When uriel submits 6 posts in succession you can be sure there's a steaming pile of shit in that thread. xkdc links in tech arguments are like Hitler references in politics.