Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-05 Thread Mikael Schönenberg
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 20:17, Benjamin R. Haskell suckl...@benizi.com wrote: I don't understand how to effectively use IRC without doing one of the following: 1. keeping it on-screen (which seems impractical to me, partly because I still don't quite get dwm) or 2. having some kind of

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread David Tweed
As my vote, I prefer to keep sloppy focus, at the very least as an option, (the fact that sloppy focus doesn't seem to work properly on Windows means I'm forced back to click to focus at work at it's driving me mad the sheer volume of unnecessary clicking). Incidentally, I use the mouse a LOT with

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Nick
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 02:10:33AM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The Occasionally it is annoying.

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Mikkonen
I also find sloppy focus quite annoying, but I don't prefer click-to-focus neither. Since I anyway use mostly keyboard, it's irritating to grab the mouse to switch the window - therefore I use keyboard for that stuff. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Hey,

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Mate Nagy
hi, On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 11:28:54AM +0300, Ruben Mikkonen wrote: I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote: No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary harder. Doing this just for the rare corner case of touching your pointing

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Rob
On 4 July 2011 16:14, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: But apparently opinions are split on this topic! Suppose it depends, I've been conditioned, and expect that when I move a mouse into another window, focus should go there, so much that when I'm on Windows I'll use some tweaking

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Nick
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 04:14:06PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: I personally would rather dwm had no mouse support at all, but clearly that would be controversial... I'd be interested in seeing the patch. Is the mouse used for anything much other than sloppy focus (it's all I use the mouse

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
On 04/07/11 17:14, Connor Lane Smith wrote: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeamgarb...@gmail.com wrote: No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary harder. Doing this just for

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
Unless, of course, you don't HAVE a touchpad to disable. (However, the touchpad is definitely 100% easier to hit than the mouse.)

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread garbeam
Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. Cheers, Anselm

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Connor Lane Smith
On 4 July 2011 17:16, garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. Since the two sides seem fairly even, as far as I can tell, I agree it's probably best not to change it. It

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Noah Birnel
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 04:14:06PM +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote: Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management, but I sometimes move the mouse out of the way and in doing so accidentally focus a completely different window. unclutter?

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread David Tweed
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! On 4 July 2011 06:51, garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote: No I totally disagree. Click to focus makes the life uneccessary

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer laggy ML communications over IM? Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management,

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer laggy ML communications over IM? I hate mice, but I also

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Josh Rickmar
Benjamin R. Haskell suckl...@benizi.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: ??ann m??n 4.j??l 2011 15:14, skrifa??i Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Josh Rickmar wrote: Um, why is a systray needed for IRC? It's not necessary for IRC, per se. I wrote: Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare screen real estate to dedicate to IRC. I don't understand how to effectively use IRC without doing one

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bjartur Thorlacius
Þann mán 4.júl 2011 17:46, skrifaði Benjamin R. Haskell: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Bjartur Thorlacius wrote: Þann mán 4.júl 2011 15:14, skrifaði Connor Lane Smith: Interesting, those on IRC were very 'for' this idea. Different demographics? Oh you silly ML people! So people who use mice prefer

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Christoph Lohmann
Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for notifications or indicating urgency? my IRC client is sending a bell character to my terminal, which is setting the urgent bit

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Valentin Plechinger
Well, the thing is, I don't ever use the mouse for window management, but I sometimes move the mouse out of the way and in doing so accidentally focus a completely different window. I personally would rather dwm had no mouse support at all, but clearly that would be controversial... Still, at

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 13:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Benjamin R. Haskell suckl...@benizi.com wrote: That said, what do people here use for IRC and how do you deal with it in dwm? Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare screen real estate to dedicate to IRC. And w/o dedicated

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 18:16:48 +0200 garbeam garb...@gmail.com wrote: Well, dwm had focus follows mouse since its first minute. I'm not going to change this when it is approaching the age of 5 tomorrow. I have the opposite problem to the OP. DWM sometimes does some clever focusing stuff which

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for notifications or indicating urgency? my IRC client is sending a bell character

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Josh Rickmar
Benjamin R. Haskell suckl...@benizi.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Josh Rickmar wrote: Um, why is a systray needed for IRC? It's not necessary for IRC, per se. I wrote: Without a systray, I don't understand where one gets the spare screen real estate to dedicate to IRC. I don't

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
2. having some kind of indication that you've been addressed (urgent hints or whatever). In other wm's, #2 is often handled by having a little flashing systray icon. So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for notifications or indicating urgency? Hello, I use seturgent

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Benjamin R. Haskell
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: On Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Christoph Lohmann wrote: Hello, Benjamin R. Haskell wrote: So, broadening: what (if anything) do dwm users use for notifications or indicating urgency? [...] urxvt.urgentOnBell: true Ah, thanks. Halfway there. So,

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Bryan Bennett
I use a script for weechat that fires off a sound, sends a dbus notification and sets the urgent hint on the window. Works relatively well for me. I know there is a similar script for irssi, but for smaller clients (like ii or sic) you'll need to script something yourself, if I'm not mistaken.

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-04 Thread Andrew Hills
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com wrote: I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about

[dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-03 Thread Connor Lane Smith
Hey, I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about dropping dwm's sloppy focus is it saves 20 lines of code! So how about we

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-03 Thread Kurt H Maier
I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about dropping dwm's sloppy focus is it saves 20 lines of code! So how about we

Re: [dev] [dwm] sloppy focus

2011-07-03 Thread garbeam
Am 04.07.2011 03:11 schrieb Connor Lane Smith c...@lubutu.com: I don't know about all you, but I find dwm's sloppy focus can be really annoying at times -- focusing a window when I accidentally nudge my atrophying pointer -- and would rather click-to-focus. The great thing about dropping dwm's