Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread Mladen Turk
jean-frederic clere wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent fro

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread Mladen Turk
jean-frederic clere wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftwa

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread Henri Gomez
> The actual situation is bad: > - a source tarball contains the tcnative sources corresponding to the > tomcat tag. > - a binary tarball contains the tcnative sources (in a tarball) > corresponding to the > /dist/tomcat/tomcat-connectors/native/tomcat-native-x.y.z-src.tar.gz > (1.0.10 actualy) Go

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftware (openssl) and that means

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mladen Turk wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftware (openssl) and that means

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread Mladen Turk
jean-frederic clere wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftware (openssl) and that means they may not be av

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Mark Thomas wrote: jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftware (openssl) and that means they may not be available for download in the

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread Mark Thomas
jean-frederic clere wrote: I think that is all working around the fact that tcnative is not mandatory module for Tomcat and it is somehow independent from tomcat. tcnative builds contain cryptosoftware (openssl) and that means they may not be available for download in the ASF site. But that d

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-15 Thread jean-frederic clere
Guenter Knauf wrote: Hi, Still need to figure out what to do with all the other versions in a.o/dist though - we can't just leave them. well, someone needs to commit them all to a project's SVN subdir like 'tagged_tarballs' or such; this way the history would stay available... Hi I think t

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread jean-frederic clere
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites But that is exactly what we should *not* do. Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgra

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Guenter Knauf
Hi, > Still need to figure out what to do with all the other versions in > a.o/dist though - we can't just leave them. well, someone needs to commit them all to a project's SVN subdir like 'tagged_tarballs' or such; this way the history would stay available... Guen. --

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Thomas
Mladen Turk wrote: Guenter Knauf wrote: just an idea / suggestion: isnt it usable for the release process that you create a place in SVN where you commit the tarballs, and then download them via http from there instead from a directory location? Finally, an interesting idea. You are right.

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I understand the desire to make this "easy" for the RM, and the statement that its "useless" from outside of tomcat, but the simple fact is that this is a released unit of code, separately versioned, determined before the "real release" of Tomcat is designated. Look

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Guenter Knauf wrote: Hi Mladen, But that is exactly what we should *not* do. Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgrade the Tomcat, upgrade its native as well (if changed) Like said, all that can be easy done by simply extending requirements for building Tomcat release. One will need Py

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Thomas
Guenter Knauf wrote: just an idea / suggestion: isnt it usable for the release process that you create a place in SVN where you commit the tarballs, and then download them via http from there instead from a directory location? That would work. We use the same process for the windows service b

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Mladen Turk wrote: Because it's native and the one that makes a release needs some extra prerequisites to build it. Part of this confusion is that projects never vote on binary artifacts, they vote on source code releases. Because the sources land in tags/ and a tarball, I'd strongly consider

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Guenter Knauf
Hi Mladen, > But that is exactly what we should *not* do. > Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgrade the > Tomcat, upgrade its native as well (if changed) > Like said, all that can be easy done by simply > extending requirements for building Tomcat release. > One will need Python and a set

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites But that is exactly what we should *not* do. Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgra

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
Mladen Turk wrote: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites But that is exactly what we should *not* do. Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgrade the Tomcat, upgrade its nativ

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Thomas
Mladen Turk wrote: It would mean that you will need *nix for building the Tomcat release, but that's fine with me. If the Tomcat RM's are fine with that, it's a very simple task. That means we require the release to be built on Windows so we can built the installer and on *nix for native. Ess

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites But that is exactly what we should *not* do. Tomcat comes with it's native, so if you upgrade the Tomcat, upgrade its native as well (if change

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Thomas
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote: you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites A vote seems to be the quickest and best solution along with standard releases (like mod_jk) going forward. It isn't like there is a lack of p

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: OK if you insist. The *Foundation* insists ;-) OK ;) I suppose we can then use the src tarball from the heanet.ie site (used by the installer BTW) instead dist site. Or you can remove the file to /dev/dist/, and hold a release vote alread

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
you're other option is to just vote on tcnative separately, and that way utilize all the ASF mirrors and release sites Filip Mladen Turk wrote: Mark Thomas wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: No, like said, Tomcat Native is voted *together* with Tomcat version that contains it. M

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Mladen Turk wrote: OK if you insist. The *Foundation* insists ;-) I suppose we can then use the src tarball from the heanet.ie site (used by the installer BTW) instead dist site. Or you can remove the file to /dev/dist/, and hold a release vote already? > Or we can have it inside > http:/

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Mark Thomas wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: No, like said, Tomcat Native is voted *together* with Tomcat version that contains it. May be but the version numbers are different. It seems very similar to mod_jk in my opinion, since it's a part of Tomcat but not mandatory. But i

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Thomas
Mladen Turk wrote: Henri Gomez wrote: No, like said, Tomcat Native is voted *together* with Tomcat version that contains it. May be but the version numbers are different. It seems very similar to mod_jk in my opinion, since it's a part of Tomcat but not mandatory. But it's not. We don't ha

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Gomez wrote: No, like said, Tomcat Native is voted *together* with Tomcat version that contains it. May be but the version numbers are different. It seems very similar to mod_jk in my opinion, since it's a part of Tomcat but not mandatory. But it's not. We don't have announce for Tomc

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Henri Gomez
> No, like said, Tomcat Native is voted *together* > with Tomcat version that contains it. May be but the version numbers are different. It seems very similar to mod_jk in my opinion, since it's a part of Tomcat but not mandatory. Just my 0,01 EUR ---

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Gomez wrote: Tomcat native is not separate product, but rather an integral part of Tomcat distribution. The need for tag is needed because we'd need to put some serious native part build (as well as tools) when building Tomcat. Perhaps some day we'll do that, so we can tag the Tomcat togeth

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-14 Thread Henri Gomez
> Tomcat native is not separate product, but rather an integral > part of Tomcat distribution. The need for tag is needed because > we'd need to put some serious native part build (as well as tools) > when building Tomcat. Perhaps some day we'll do that, so we can > tag the Tomcat together with nat

Re: Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-13 Thread Mladen Turk
Mark Thomas wrote: Have I missed the 1.1.12 native release vote? No :) Without a vote, these files need to be removed. In case I have missed the vote, I will wait 24 hours to be corrected before deleting the files from dist and the archives (assuming I have enough karma). Native tag

Native 1.1.12 release

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Thomas
All, Have I missed the 1.1.12 native release vote? http://archive.apache.org/dist/tomcat/tomcat-connectors/native/ shows a 1.1.12 but neither my recollection nor a check of the archives shows a release vote for these files. The files are also on the mirrors. Without a vote, these files need