RE: never say never...

2006-02-25 Thread Wade Chandler
--- Bill Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Wade Chandler > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:57 PM > > To: Tomcat Developers List > > Subject: Re: never say never..

Re: never say never...

2006-02-25 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 2/25/06, Wade Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought about not even writing this. Then I thought > about not even submitting it. Don't take it > personally how ever it hits anyone. I think it's > fair. > > I think it runs both ways. I think most of the Tomcat > developers are really

RE: never say never...

2006-02-24 Thread Bill Barker
> -Original Message- > From: Wade Chandler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:57 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > --- "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >

Re: never say never...

2006-02-24 Thread Wade Chandler
--- "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Glen Mazza wrote: > > Haroon Rafique wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday at 12:54pm, JB=>Jay Burgess > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> JB> The following comments are not intended to be > a personal attack on > >> JB> anyone. However, I can't st

Re: never say never...

2006-02-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Glen Mazza wrote: Haroon Rafique wrote: On Tuesday at 12:54pm, JB=>Jay Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JB> The following comments are not intended to be a personal attack on JB> anyone. However, I can't stand by and watch George speak my mind for JB> me, word for word, and not chime in an

Re: never say never...

2006-02-24 Thread Glen Mazza
Haroon Rafique wrote: On Tuesday at 12:54pm, JB=>Jay Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JB> The following comments are not intended to be a personal attack on JB> anyone. However, I can't stand by and watch George speak my mind for JB> me, word for word, and not chime in and say "I agree!".

RE: never say never...

2006-02-23 Thread Haroon Rafique
On Tuesday at 12:54pm, JB=>Jay Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JB> The following comments are not intended to be a personal attack on JB> anyone. However, I can't stand by and watch George speak my mind for JB> me, word for word, and not chime in and say "I agree!". Plus, I think JB> if you

Re: never say never...

2006-02-22 Thread Preston L. Bannister
At the risk of getting meta on everyone, I have to point out that something(?) similar seemed to happen to the CVS development several years back. I tuned out for a few years, and it seems like the entire (active) development group turned over. Maybe there is some sort of Anti-Pattern lurking in

Re: never say never...

2006-02-22 Thread Henri Gomez
2006/2/21, Costin Manolache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > No. Bill gave a wrong answer. He ignored in the fact that > java.io.tmpdirand > > javax.servlet.context.tempdir are equivalent in implementation in > Tomcat, > > and that to be compliant, Tomcat has to make java.io.tmpdir writable. > > > File.c

Re: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Costin Manolache
> No. Bill gave a wrong answer. He ignored in the fact that java.io.tmpdirand > javax.servlet.context.tempdir are equivalent in implementation in Tomcat, > and that to be compliant, Tomcat has to make java.io.tmpdir writable. File.createTempFile spec says that if a dir is not specified, the file

RE: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread George Sexton
ginal Message- > From: George Sexton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:37 AM > To: 'Tomcat Developers List' > Subject: RE: never say never... > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMA

RE: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Jay Burgess
h respect. Jay | Jay Burgess [Vertical Technology Group] | http://www.vtgroup.com/ -Original Message- From: George Sexton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:12 PM To: 'Tomcat Developers List' Subject: RE: never say never... > -Original Messa

RE: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Martin van den Bemt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:24 AM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > You are pretty bad in taking examples. The example I took was specifical

Re: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Martin van den Bemt
I applaud to your willing to contribute, but if you wish to do that, and eventually become a member of the elite, you must follow some rules, and the first one, like in any company is to respect your colleagues. Respect is a two way street. When someone like Bill Barker creates a logic puzzle

RE: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:48 AM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38352 > > > > From y

RE: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Mladen Turk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:48 AM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38352 > > > > From y

Re: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Leon Rosenberg
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38716 Yet another perfect example. This time its a WONTFIX, instead of INVALID, there is some progress to be observed :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additiona

Re: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 2/21/06, Mladen Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, I've got two other submissions that are not in critical portions > > of the code: > > > > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=38352 > > > > From your bz report: > > > ... > > I think to be compliant with the spec, thi

Re: never say never...

2006-02-21 Thread Mladen Turk
George Sexton wrote: This assumes that committers are an practically unlimited resource, and they Of course we have, because we actually own the Intellectual Property. You are forgetting that we have PMC (Project Management Committee), that is responsible to deal with all administrative stu

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Preston L. Bannister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:22 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > A disclaimer here - I used to have committer status (and might still). > >

Re: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread Preston L. Bannister
A disclaimer here - I used to have committer status (and might still). On 2/20/06, George Sexton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as how to structurally fix the tomcat group, my only feeble > suggestion would be to permit "TOMCAT USERS" to recall or fire committers. > Perhaps then some of the

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 5:33 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > On the subject of fairness, is it fair that someone who is too lazy to > read the sp

Re: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Thomas
George Sexton wrote: > Don't misunderstand me. I'm certainly not saying a committer shouldn't say > "This is non-compliant and will not be addresed" or "We comply with the > spec, and we will not be expanding the application to meet your specific > need". These are legitimate responses. Agreed. >

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:02 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > I agree that closing bug reports without an explanation is rarely, if > ever helpful

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Mark Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:02 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > George Sexton wrote: > Whilst I agree with the general thrust of the arguments made s

Re: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread Mark Thomas
George Sexton wrote: Whilst I agree with the general thrust of the arguments made so far in this thread I do take serious issue with one of your statements. > Just as a little example, several months ago I submitted a patch. One > committer commented that he would -1 it for the "com.sun" imports.

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
> -Original Message- > From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:52 PM > To: Tomcat Developers List > Subject: Re: never say never... > > nor the political aspects of open source projects and how they work, This is

Re: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
I really try to avoid these threads cause I'm not interested in debates nor the political aspects of open source projects and how they work, but the user brings up a good point, with a probable solution, and I don't see how a non committer response like the one below is even justified. I'm not in

RE: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread George Sexton
RESOLVED | INVALID George Sexton MH Software, Inc. http://www.mhsoftware.com/ Voice: 303 438 9585 > -Original Message- > From: Reinhard Moosauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:09 AM > To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org > Subject: never say never... > >

Re: never say never...

2006-02-20 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists
+1 =) Reinhard Moosauer wrote: Hi List, please somebody explain: every few days, a strange procedure can be seen on this list. Somebody asks for improvement, suggests a fix or simply wants to discuss a new feature. Few minutes later, there is an answer from somebody, which tells us to ignor