Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Edmund Wong
Mark Côté wrote: > It was announced in May > (https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.tools/4qroY2Iia9I), > linked to in this forum: > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/qh5scX3Gk2U/xCWe8jrOAQAJ I stand corrected, thanks. I would've thought that'd be put in moz.dev.plann

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Edmund Wong
Hi Joe, I just want to publicly apologize for being sarcastic in my original post to you. I could've found a better voice and the frustration clouded my judgement. I'm sorry. Edmund ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://

Re: More Rust code

2017-07-17 Thread Jim Blandy
BTW, speaking of training: Jason's and my book, "Programming Rust" will be available on paper from O'Reilly on August 29th! Steve Klabnik's book with No Starch Press is coming out soon as well, but I don't know the details there. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Ted Mielczarek wrote: > Nick, >

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Mark Côté
On 2017-07-17 8:46 PM, Edmund Wong wrote: Mike Hoye wrote: Given that we've been talking about this stuff for years now, I think it's very clear that we haven't come to this point by "somebody at the top issuing an edict that they want something modern"; the decision to commit to Phabricator w

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Ben Kelly
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Gregory Szorc wrote: > If the bug is only serving as an anchor to track code review, then the > question we should be asking is "do we even need a bug." > In my experience the answer to this is "yes, we need a bug". I very rarely have a one-to-one mapping betwe

Status of Closing Intermittents

2017-07-17 Thread Emma Humphries
Two Sundays ago I went through and closed the first batch of intermittent bugs with no new OrangeFactor (or other) comments. That was 5,000 bugs and cause an bugmail storm. I'm holding off on closing the next batch, because we need to run a script to do this. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Edmund Wong
Mike Hoye wrote: > > Given that we've been talking about this stuff for years now, I think > it's very clear that we haven't come to this point by "somebody at the > top issuing an edict that they want something modern"; the decision to > commit to Phabricator was ultimately announced on May 11th

Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web Commerce Interest Group

2017-07-17 Thread Tantek Çelik
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:11 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > The W3C is proposing a new charter for: > > Web Commerce Interest Group > https://www.w3.org/2017/03/commerce-charter.html > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2017Jul/0008.html Context: while technically with a new

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Gregory Szorc
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 09:52:55AM -0700, Bobby Holley wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Benjamin Smedberg > > >> wrote: >> >> I don't know really anything about how rust panics get reflected into >>> crash-data. Who would be the

Proposed W3C Charter: Web Commerce Interest Group

2017-07-17 Thread L. David Baron
The W3C is proposing a new charter for: Web Commerce Interest Group https://www.w3.org/2017/03/commerce-charter.html https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2017Jul/0008.html Mozilla has the opportunity to send support, comments, or objections through Monday, August 28. If thi

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Mark Côté
I filed a central tracker bug for production Phabricator deployment: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1381498. I have filed blockers and dependencies for a variety of related tasks as discussed in these threads. Mark On 2017-07-14 11:33 AM, Milan Sreckovic wrote: Replying in ge

Re: More Rust code

2017-07-17 Thread Ted Mielczarek
Nick, Thanks for kicking off this discussion! I felt like a broken record talking to people about this in SF. From my perspective Rust is our single-biggest competitive advantage for shipping Firefox, and every time we choose C++ over Rust we throw that away. We know the costs of shipping complica

Re: More Rust code

2017-07-17 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017, at 07:41 PM, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 04:06:39PM -0700, Eric Rahm wrote: > > Interesting points. > > > >- *using breakpad* - was the problem that creating wrappers to access > >the c/c++ code was too tedious? Could bindgen help with that, if not it

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Mike Hoye
On 7/16/17 11:10 PM, Edmund Wong wrote: Joe Hildebrand wrote: I'm responding at the top of the thread here so that I'm not singling out any particular response. We didn't make clear in this process how much work Mark and his team did ahead of the decision to gather feedback from senior engine

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Kris Maglione
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 09:52:55AM -0700, Bobby Holley wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: I don't know really anything about how rust panics get reflected into crash-data. Who would be the right person to talk to about that? Rust panics are equivalent to MOZ_CR

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Bobby Holley
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: > I don't know really anything about how rust panics get reflected into > crash-data. Who would be the right person to talk to about that? > Rust panics are equivalent to MOZ_CRASHES, and we treat them as such (or at least try to, see bug

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread David Major
As of bug 1275780, rust panic text gets reported as a MOZ_CRASH reason. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote: > I don't know really anything about how rust panics get reflected into > crash-data. Who would be the right person to talk to about that? > > --BDS > > On Mon, Jul

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
I don't know really anything about how rust panics get reflected into crash-data. Who would be the right person to talk to about that? --BDS On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Emilio Cobos Álvarez wrote: > On 07/17/2017 05:18 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:> Unlike MOZ_CRASH, > which only annotates

Re: Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Emilio Cobos Álvarez
On 07/17/2017 05:18 PM, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:> Unlike MOZ_CRASH, which only annotates crashes with compile-time constants > which are inherently not risky, both MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_OOL and > MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_PRINTF can annotate crashes with arbitrary data. Crash > reasons are publicly visible in cr

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread Gregory Szorc
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 23:36, Gabriele Svelto wrote: > >> On 14/07/2017 05:39, Boris Zbarsky wrote: >> I should note that with GitHub what this means is that you get >> discussion on the PR that should have gone in the issue, with the result >> that people following the issue don't see half the

Care in the use of MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros: data review needed

2017-07-17 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
Please take care when using the MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros. Because of the risk involved and because this constitutes data collection, I would like Firefox data stewards to review any new usages of the MOZ_CRASH_UNSAFE_* macros. Unlike MOZ_CRASH, which only annotates crashes with compile-time const

Re: Phabricator Update, July 2017

2017-07-17 Thread jwood
On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 11:39:38 PM UTC-4, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 7/13/17 9:04 PM, Mark Côté wrote: > > It is also what newer systems > > do today (e.g. GitHub and the full Phabricator suite) > > I should note that with GitHub what this means is that you get > discussion on the PR that s