Re: [b2g] Permissions model thoughts

2012-03-09 Thread lkcl luke
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > However if you instead make the dialog say "This website is trying to > get your current location. What do you want to do?" with two buttons > that say "Give my location to website" and "Deny access", then you > have a better chance of getti

Re: OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > User control: > > I think it's very important in all this that we put the user in > ultimate control. I don't think we want to rely on the user to make > security decisions for all APIs, however I think it's important that > we enable users to

Re: [b2g] Permissions model thoughts

2012-03-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
2012/3/8 Jim Straus : > Hello Adrienne - >  Thanks for the good thoughts.  I think we all 100% agree that installation > time is the wrong time to ask.  I'm wondering about your thoughts on asking > for all permissions at the same time (in a list, with the option to > selectively allow different

Re: OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Jonas Sicking wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm way over due to write a proposal for the Open Web Apps and > Boot-to-Gecko security models. > > Background: > > In general our aim should always be to design any API such that we can > expose it to as broad of set of web pages/

Re: [b2g] OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM, ptheriault wrote: > Jonas, > > Thanks for taking the time to document your thoughts. I also caught up with > Chris Jones from B2G yesterday to go security, and we discussed app > permissions as well. I have written up a couple pages of notes, but I'd like > to a key

Re: [b2g] OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 00:33:36 + lkcl luke wrote: > in the case of the debian distribution, that's encoded into the > /etc/apt/sources.list file. if users edit that file and start adding > e.g. "deb http://debian-multimedia.org"; If your looking at distro package signing. archlinux.org has ju

Re: [b2g] OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread lkcl luke
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:48 PM, ptheriault wrote: > Chris brought up the issue of regulatory controls for functions like the > dialer. (e.g. phones always need to be able to make emergency calls). the experience of the OpenMoko project i believe is relevant here. their infrastructure was so to

Re: [b2g] OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread lkcl luke
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 3:31 AM, Lucas Adamski wrote: > Also how will a user know which store's to trust? [apologies to the dev-security list, the reply i wrote went to the original recipients, i hadn't noted the addition of dev-security as it was later in the thread. you can see a copy of what i

Re: [b2g] OpenWebApps/B2G Security model

2012-03-09 Thread Jonas Sicking
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Lucas Adamski wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > Thank you for sending this out!  I really like the model overall. > > With sensitive APIs, even if a 3d party vouches for the capabilities of the > app, I believe we would still want to communicate that to the user somehow at >

Re: Opt-in activation for plugins (aka click to play)

2012-03-09 Thread Ian Melven
- Original Message - From: "Lucas Adamski" To: "Asa Dotzler" Cc: "Jared Wein" , "Kev Needham" , "security-group group" , "Madhava Enros" , "Stephen Horlander" , "Justin Dolske" , mozilla-dev-secur...@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:02:24 AM Subject: Re: Opt-in activat