Re: When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > What has encryption got to do with it? The "bad" raised was unrelated to certificates, publicly trusted or otherwise. As Nick also pointed out, a number of the "bad" is just as accomplish through other means independent of certificate

Re: When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Peter Kurrasch
You are right to point out that many of those scenarios could be accomplished with a self-signed cert or indeed no cert at all. The decision to use a good cert or the likelihood of a good cert being used in any given scenario is not necessarily that important. What matters is that once we find a

Re: Job: Is it OK to post a job listing in this forum?

2016-05-26 Thread David E. Ross
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Kathleen Wilson > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I have been asked if it is OK to post job listings in >> mozilla.dev.security.policy. Surprisingly, I don't recall ever being asked >> that question before, and I am not aware of a written policy about the >> content o

Re: Job: Is it OK to post a job listing in this forum?

2016-05-26 Thread Eric Mill
I could tolerate a policy like that, and it's always possible to revisit it if it turns out to be abused, or causes people to unsubscribe (which I would recommend Mozilla watching, especially right after postings go out). One suggested change: > * The Subject of the posting begins with "Job: " I

Symantec subCAs and audits

2016-05-26 Thread Charles Reiss
Symantec has disclosed several subCAs via Salesforce and indicated that these subCAs have the same audit as their parent, however the audit statement they link (https://cert.webtrust.org/SealFile?seal=1565&file=pdf) has a table of "In-Scope CAs" which does not appear to include the following su

Job: Is it OK to post a job listing in this forum?

2016-05-26 Thread Kathleen Wilson
Hi All, I have been asked if it is OK to post job listings in mozilla.dev.security.policy. Surprisingly, I don't recall ever being asked that question before, and I am not aware of a written policy about the content of postings to mozilla.dev.security.policy. So, here is a proposal: ~~ Jobs ma

Re: When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Peter Kurrasch wrote: > > My suggestion is to frame the issue‎ as: What is reasonable to expect of > a > > CA if somebody sees bad stuff going on? How should CA's be notified? What > > sort of a response is w

Re: When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Nick Lamb
On Thursday, 26 May 2016 15:40:35 UTC+1, Peter Kurrasch wrote: > I might use a perfectly good cert in a "bad" way: Maybe it's worthwhile to consider what happens instead if we live under a regime (whether legally enforced or just de facto because of choices made by browser vendors) where you ca

Re: When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Peter Kurrasch wrote: > My suggestion is to frame the issue‎ as: What is reasonable to expect of a > CA if somebody sees bad stuff going on? How should CA's be notified? What > sort of a response is warranted and in what timeframe? What guidelines > should CA's use

When good certs do bad things

2016-05-26 Thread Peter Kurrasch
It strikes me that some people might not have a good idea how people use certs to do bad things. As the token bad guy in this forum I'll take it upon myself to share some examples of how I might use a perfectly good cert in a "bad" way:‎* ‎Create a phishing site to harvest login credentials from u

Re: [FORGED] Re: SSL Certs for Malicious Websites

2016-05-26 Thread Hubert Kario
On Thursday 26 May 2016 05:13:43 Peter Gutmann wrote: > Richard Z writes: > >If any criminal can easily get EV certificates what is the point of > >https? > The point of HTTPS is twofold: > > 1. Convince users that the Internet is safe to do business on > (financial transfers, medical data). > >

Re: SSL Certs for Malicious Websites

2016-05-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:50 AM, wrote: > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that CAs should not be doing > any "internet policing" or "content policing" when they receive credible > reports their certs are being used by phishers, malware providers, etc. -- > but that browsers can a

Re: [FORGED] Re: SSL Certs for Malicious Websites

2016-05-26 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Richard Z writes: > >>If any criminal can easily get EV certificates what is the point of https? > > The point of HTTPS is twofold: > > 1. Convince users that the Internet is safe to do business on (financial >transfers, medical data).