Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy
On 22/02/17 14:42, Tony Zhaocheng Tan wrote: > On 2017-01-03, Let's Encrypt issued a certificate for apple-id-2.com. > However, until today, the domain apple-id-2.com has apparently never > been registered. How was the certificate issued? On Hacker News, Josh Aas writes: "Head of Let's Encrypt he

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Tony Zhaocheng Tan via dev-security-policy
Yep, no issue here anymore. Josh Aas hadn't posted on hacker news when I sent this. Thanks, Tony Tony Zhaocheng Tan | t...@tonytan.io | PGP Key Original Message On Feb 22, 2017, 7:30 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: On 22/02/17 14:42, Tony Zhaocheng Tan wrote: > On 2017-01-03, Let'

RE: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
to:dev-security-policy-bounces+richard=wosign@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:30 AM To: Tony Zhaocheng Tan ; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread George Macon via dev-security-policy
On 2/22/17 7:30 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On Hacker News, Josh Aas writes: > > > > Update: Squarespace has confirmed that they did register the domain and > then released it after getting a certificate from us." In this case, should Squarespace have requested that the certificate be revoked b

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
- > From: dev-security-policy [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+richard= > wosign@lists.mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Gervase Markham via > dev-security-policy > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:30 AM > To: Tony Zhaocheng Tan ; mozilla-dev-security-policy@ > lists.mozilla.org > Subje

RE: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist Hi Richard, There's no policies in the Baseline Requirements or Mozilla Requirements that normalize or define high risk domain, which I believe

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > As I understand, the BR 4.2.1 required this: > > “The CA SHALL develop, maintain, and implement documented procedures that > identify and require additional verification activity for High Risk > Certificate Requests p

RE: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:53 AM To: Richard Wang Cc: r...@sleevi.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Tony Zhaocheng Tan ; Gervase Markham Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 P

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
> > > > *From:* Ryan Sleevi [mailto:r...@sleevi.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:21 AM > *To:* Richard Wang > *Cc:* Gervase Markham ; Tony Zhaocheng Tan < > t...@tonytan.io>; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org > > *Subject:* Re: Let's

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy
, February 23, 2017 11:53 AM > To: Richard Wang > Cc: r...@sleevi.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Tony > Zhaocheng Tan ; Gervase Markham > Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that > doesn't exist > > On Wed, Feb 22

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Vincent Lynch via dev-security-policy
evi.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Tony > Zhaocheng Tan ; Gervase Markham > Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that > doesn't exist > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy >

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:00:45PM -0500, George Macon via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 2/22/17 7:30 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > > On Hacker News, Josh Aas writes: > > Update: Squarespace has confirmed that they did register the domain and > > then released it after getting a certificate from

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 01:08:49AM +, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > I think "apple-id-2.com" is a high risk domain that must be blocked to issue > DV SSL to those domains. Why? > Here is the list of some high risk domains related to Microsoft and Google > that Let's Encrypt

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:00:45PM -0500, George Macon via > dev-security-policy wrote: >> On 2/22/17 7:30 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: >> > On Hacker News, Josh Aas writes: >> > Update: Squarespace has confirmed that the

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
7 11:53 AM > To: Richard Wang > Cc: r...@sleevi.com; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org; Tony > Zhaocheng Tan ; Gervase Markham > Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that > doesn't exist > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Richa

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy
On Thursday, 23 February 2017 01:11:54 UTC, Richard Wang wrote: > https://crt.sh/?id=65208905 for google.ligboy.org Without wanting to jump on this pre-existing dogpile: This specific example is illustrative of two important factors that should be considered in examining the threat here: 1. N

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy
On 22/02/17 17:08, Richard Wang wrote: > I think "apple-id-2.com" is a high risk domain that must be blocked to issue > DV SSL to those domains. I don't represent Let's Encrypt, but their policy on such things is relevant to this discussion, and it is here: https://letsencrypt.org/2015/10/29/phis

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 01:55:40AM -0800, Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy wrote: > 1. Neither registries nor registrars in the DNS system would ordinarily > have control over the existence of sub-domains. In some cases the whole > _purpose_ of the registration is to create such sub-domains with

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 03:55:43AM +, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > If "apple", "google", "Microsoft" is not a high risk domain, then I don’t > know which domain is high risk domain, maybe only "github". That's kinda the problem: you don't know, and neither does anyone else,

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Eric Mill via dev-security-policy
This list hosted an extensive discussion on this issue in May of 2016, subject line "SSL Certs for Malicious Websites": https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.security.polic y/vMrncPi3tx8/discussion Most (all?) of the people on this thread participated on that one, and said most (all?) of

RE: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Behalf Of Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 2:13 AM To: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist On 22/02/17 17:08, Richard Wang wrote: > I think &q

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 01:12:38AM +, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > I am sure this site: https://www.microsoftonline.us.com/ is a phishing site > and a fade office 365 site that I wish LE can revoke this cert. Why? It works just fine over HTTP, too. - Matt

RE: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Richard Wang via dev-security-policy
Palmer via dev-security-policy Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:35 AM To: dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 01:12:38AM +, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wro

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 03:09:10AM +, Richard Wang via dev-security-policy wrote: > Do you think this site is an authentic site from Microsoft? > If it is a fake site, then CA should revoke the issued certificate. Why? - Matt ___ dev-security-poli

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread wuyi via dev-security-policy
According to what I??ve known, ??Acknowledgment and Acceptance: An acknowledgment and acceptance that the CA is entitled to revoke the certificate immediately if the Applicant were to violate the terms of the Subscriber or Terms of Use Agreement or if the CA discovers that the Certificate is b

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-23 Thread Vincent Lynch via dev-security-policy
As you have quoted it, Let's Encrpyt's CPS says: "the CA is *entitled* to revoke the certificate" The key word is "entitled." Meaning that Let's Encrypt may revoke the certificate if they chose, but are not required to. Therefore not revoking the certificate is compatible with their CPS. It's im

Re: Let's Encrypt appears to issue a certificate for a domain that doesn't exist

2017-02-24 Thread Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy
On 23/02/17 21:35, wuyi wrote: > “Acknowledgment and Acceptance: An acknowledgment and acceptance that > the CA is entitled to revoke the certificate immediately if the > Applicant were to violate the terms of the Subscriber or Terms of Use > Agreement or if the CA discovers that the Certificate is