Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Werner Punz
Gerhard Petracek schrieb: hello all, again the logging-framework topic :) there were several discussions about it and i'm not aware of an agreement. udo wrote [1]: replace commons-logging with slf4j as i know we agreed on using one logging framework dependency for all myfaces projects. if

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Manfred Geiler
] Gesendet: Freitag, 05. Juni 2009 20:50 An: MyFaces Development Betreff: Re: slf4j and myfaces On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 19:49, Mario Ivankovits ma...@ops.co.at wrote: Hi! Could one please eloberate a little bit more in detail what the pros are of slf4j? Pros: No class loader ambiguousness

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Mario Ivankovits
that would be possible as well. i just started with slf4j since we already discussed it and udo wrote about the switch to slf4j in the next release... we could also vote first about slf4j and everybody who prefers jul should vote -1 Just wait until Monday if possible, then enough

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Werner Punz
Mario Ivankovits schrieb: that would be possible as well. i just started with slf4j since we already discussed it and udo wrote about the switch to slf4j in the next release... we could also vote first about slf4j and everybody who prefers jul should vote -1 Just wait until Monday if

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Mike Kienenberger
I'd strongly prefer to see JUL instead of something else (including JCL) now that it's part of the standard. In Ganesh-speak, +0.9 JUL, -0.9 slf4j On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Mario Ivankovits ma...@ops.co.at wrote: Hi! The only downside I see is that we might break compatibility for java

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-06 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
I second what mike said. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Mike Kienenbergermkien...@gmail.com wrote: I'd strongly prefer to see JUL instead of something else (including JCL) now that it's part of the standard.  In Ganesh-speak, +0.9 JUL, -0.9 slf4j On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Mario

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
yep, Trinidad uses its own and I am not entirely sure if it is easy to replace... (the logger is sorta wrapper/facade for the standard logger) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Gerhard Petracekgerhard.petra...@gmail.com wrote: hello all, again the logging-framework topic :) there were several

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Gerhard Petracek
@matthias: yes - that's the reason for my comment: ...external logging framework... @udo: imo we should discuss the logging topic before we have a release which already uses slf4j - especially the suggestion of mario sounds interesting. regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Gerhard Petracek
@mario: which logging frameworks would be supported by such a wrapper. i can just mention that there are logging frameworks out there which internally force an exception and statically use entry x of the call hierarchy - so such a wrapper would lead to wrong logging information. regards, gerhard

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Manfred Geiler
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 19:49, Mario Ivankovits ma...@ops.co.at wrote: Hi! Could one please eloberate a little bit more in detail what the pros are of slf4j? Pros: No class loader ambiguousness (as you mentioned) You get what you define (especially when using maven): compile-dependency to

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Gerhard Petracek
Development *Betreff:* Re: slf4j and myfaces @mario: which logging frameworks would be supported by such a wrapper. i can just mention that there are logging frameworks out there which internally force an exception and statically use entry x of the call hierarchy - so such a wrapper would lead

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Gerhard Petracek
JCL and slf4j ARE ready-to-use logging wrappers. +1 regards, gerhard http://www.irian.at Your JSF powerhouse - JSF Consulting, Development and Courses in English and German Professional Support for Apache MyFaces 2009/6/5 Manfred Geiler manfred.gei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at

Re: slf4j and myfaces

2009-06-05 Thread Gerhard Petracek
as we saw in previous discussions there are several different opinions. we really discussed that topic a lot. (i also don't really like the idea of having a myfaces logging facade which does more or less the same as other solutions... as mentioned before i thought mario was talking about something