Re: Fedora Notifications System.

Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote: > 3. keep a history of the notifications > 4. max. number of notifications at the time > 5. click able notifications > 6. stackable notifications I think that, at least on KDE, you really want to leave that stuff to the KNotify system, it already does all this stuff wel

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010/8/25 Adam Williamson : > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> > FWIW, I'm with Jon and Adam on this one. I just don't see how not having >> > an MTA by default is a win, except in disk space terms, a

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:41, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is >> > declining.  What we can prove, and certainly is troublesome, is that

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

Michal Hlavinka wrote: > disabling something won't fix it, also I don't think this is that bad that > it requires extra patch to turn it off by default and diverge from > upstream It shouldn't require a patch, just a config setting. That's what kde- settings is for. (But I also think the default

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

Manuel Escudero wrote: > I dont' know if it's possible to tweak the code of these apps, Or we can > use Google Gadgets as a Base, Please don't rely on Google stuff. The native RSS plasmoid is just fine. There's also Akregator, which is a regular KDE app to browse RSS feeds. We don't really need

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/25/2010 05:46 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 25.08.10 17:04, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: > >> If you are using the libcgroup package, and in particular the cgconfig >> serivice, be aware that this will break systemd. This

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010/8/25 Mika Kuusela > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:05 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > Now, this is the Fedora search engine: > > > > > > http://ubuntuone.com/p/DuP/ > > > > > > I was wondering if it's possible to integrate a search box into hermes > > that uses that engine as a base... > > The

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:05 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote: > Now, this is the Fedora search engine: > > > http://ubuntuone.com/p/DuP/ > > > I was wondering if it's possible to integrate a search box into hermes > that uses that engine as a base... The start.fedoraproject.org search engine is n

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 20:41 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields > > wrote: > > > I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is > > > declining. What we can prove, and certainly is troubles

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is > > declining.  What we can prove, and certainly is troublesome, is that > > yum check-ins of successive releases have been droppi

Old gdm themes

Why are bluecurve-gdm-theme and fedoraflyinghigh-gdm-theme still in the distribution? The other gdm theme packages were deprecated after F12 (!?!), and I was under the impression that none of them work with new-style gdm at all. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

2010/8/24 Manuel Escudero > > > 2010/8/24 Kevin Kofler > > Michal Hlavinka wrote: >> > disagree, have you seen your notifications after leaving your computer >> > alone for several hours with IM client connected (with whatever status)? >> > >> > You'll get tons of "User XY has changed status to:

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

B1;2590;0cOn Thu, 26.08.10 00:45, M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On 08/25/2010 05:35 PM, M A Young wrote: > >> Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, so > >> I switched the machine back to upstart. Yo

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 4:45 PM, M A Young wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> On 08/25/2010 05:35 PM, M A Young wrote: >>> Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, so >>> I switched the machine back to upstart. You may need a rescue disk to make

If you cannot boot after installing systemd v8...

Heya! We shifted a few files around and most likely your /etc/systemd/system/default.target link will now point into the void, in case anaconda wrote it. If that happens to you and you end up in a rescue shell instead of a full system after booting with v8, then please execute the following: #

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/25/2010 05:35 PM, M A Young wrote: >> Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, so >> I switched the machine back to upstart. You may need a rescue disk to make >> the switch if your computer doesn't boot with systemd.

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: > Its got nothing to do with gnome what so ever. I don't see what that > has to do with the discussion. I actually want it so its easy to make > tiny appliances and routers without having to manually strip a whole > lot of crap out. As I mentioned above there's nothing

Re: Testing zsh completion for fedpkg

Christopher Aillon wrote: > I missed the first notice of this go by, but I use zsh so can play with > it in the next few days. Can you post the updates so I don't hit the > same bugs you did? Sure. Attached. The bugs were mainly with zsh conventions and getting the sed command for the branch s

Re: systemd and cgroups: heads up

On Wed, 25.08.10 17:04, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote: > If you are using the libcgroup package, and in particular the cgconfig > serivice, be aware that this will break systemd. This package is pulled into > Fedora by policycoreutils, so you likely have it on your system. However, > cg

systemd and cgroups: heads up

If you are using the libcgroup package, and in particular the cgconfig serivice, be aware that this will break systemd. This package is pulled into Fedora by policycoreutils, so you likely have it on your system. However, cgconfig is not enabled by default. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 15:35 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> Indeed, imo we should add them to the release criteria. > > It's a rather indigestible lump, for the criteria. James and I were > thinking about a 'module' system for the release criter

Re: git rebase OK on Fedora git branches?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/25/10 3:45 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: > Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of Wed Aug 25 11:08:16 +0200 2010: >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:34:36AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>>

Re: Testing zsh completion for fedpkg

On 08/24/2010 07:31 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: > Jesse Keating wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 7/30/10 9:34 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote: >>> I'd like to get some wider testing on it than what I subjected it to. >>> Constructive criticism welcome. >>> >> >> Did you ever ge

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 01:38:00PM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > Anyway, I've always read the boot time thing as just a bit of fun had by > those who probably notice it the most. I've yet to be convinced it > really matters to everyone else any more, libguestfs cares (and you'll care if you're waiti

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 03:51:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > I'm not saying that systemctl's syntax needs to be changed. I am saying, > > however, that it's important to get the service command working with > > systemctl so that people can use that instead. > FYI, this is done in git, will

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

Certainly will after there is a new version pushed out. Currently I'm blocked by three other "fixed upstream" bugs that have been closed with no update to f14 repos. Maybe the new revision will solve the bootime issue too. I am very curious if anyone can demonstrate that systemd is actually fast

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 03:27:54PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > chkconfig is different, because it's not a 1:1 mapping, and there are > different semantics involved. I'd like to have it working so that the > automated uses in scripts/frameworks work (checking whether a service is > enabled, for

Re: Orphaned package: system-config-display

On 08/26/2010 01:22 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If > someone else feels like owning it, go wild. > > This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do > speak up if you take it so we can sort that out. Assuming n

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

dr johnson (d...@www.uk.linux.org) said: > That would be all grand and spiffy if it were actually faster bootup. > > Bootchart here reports that systemd is 8 seconds *SLOWER* than upstart. No > idea why, but systemd just hangs for 8 seconds doing "nothing" that I can > see. No logs anywhere tha

Orphaned package: system-config-display

I don't have time for it, and I think it's fundamentally misguided. If someone else feels like owning it, go wild. This will probably also require access to the upstream repo, so, do speak up if you take it so we can sort that out. - ajax signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed m

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said: > I'm not saying that systemctl's syntax needs to be changed. I am saying, > however, that it's important to get the service command working with > systemctl so that people can use that instead. FYI, this is done in git, will be built today/tomorrow. Bill

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: > Hmm, so this is about files that are deleted but still mapped by init, > and which can only be deleted when init stops referencing them, but that > is required to remount the fs r/o? Did I get this right? Correct. > I am not really convinced tha

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said: > > > This is a very big change. chkconfig has worked for a long, long time. Its > > > elegance and simplicity is one of the nice administrative features of Red > > > Hat based distributes. People like it. > > > > Yes, and they should continue to use it -- f

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

> And some of us students switched to >Fedora *because of* the stable >updates vision. >In my experience, the lack of Fedora users >at my university is mostly >due to other distros having better >marketing and the fact that new >people will use whatever they can get help >with (ie. whatever distr

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

> Matthew Miller wrote: >> I don't know a single student using Fedora anymore, >> I don't know *what* to blame that on > > I blame it on people slowly destroying what Fedora is all about, with things > like that "stable updates vision". And some of us students switched to Fedora *because of* the s

Re: How many lost users is an acceptable loss in exchange for systemd?

Gregory Maxwell wrote: > To say it bluntly: Any significant infrastructural change _will_ cost > Fedora some users in the short term. > I'm not lost. I am using F14α as my day-to-day system since the weekend. I am considering putting F14α on my laptop, too, so goodbye F13. I have experienced

Re: Fedora Notifications System.

after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora users & fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be implemented in order to keep the things up: 1. the abililty to turn off the system 2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, & time-aware notes) 3.

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 18:37 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:31:30AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > > > [...@constitution ~]$ uptime > > 09:28:22 up 24 days, 16:32, 9 users, load average: 1.17, 0.50, 0.37 > > So you're running an insecure kernel? Our security churn is ba

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 17:06 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I reboot virtual machines all the time, certainly 100 times a day > would not be unusual on a work day. > > Not an argument for or against systemd BTW, just an observation that > how you use your computer is not how others use their c

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:31:30AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > [...@constitution ~]$ uptime > 09:28:22 up 24 days, 16:32, 9 users, load average: 1.17, 0.50, 0.37 So you're running an insecure kernel? Our security churn is bad enough right now that rebooting is something people do fairly regul

Re: How many lost users is an acceptable loss in exchange for systemd?

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 13:12 -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > And, yes, the harm won't be equally distributed— it seems to me that > Fedora has ignored quite a bit of harm because it didn't primarily > fall on what the developer's considered a "typical desktop" (which, > as far as I can tell, really

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 11:06:32PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > backwards compatibility. THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY VERBOSE. Comments, changes, > etc. welcome. We need something in here about cgroups. Doing something useful by default with cgroups is one of the big selling points for systemd. We

How many lost users is an acceptable loss in exchange for systemd?

In many of the recent systemd threads there is an underlying point which I think is on many people's minds but which I haven't seen called out. I think this is a generic issue, so it's a but unfair to single out systemd but it makes a good example. To say it bluntly: Any significant infrastructur

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:20:52PM +0200, Christof Damian wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 23:06, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: > >> If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a > >> workstation user like it. > >> > > > > [citation needed] > > > > I

[Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Beta Blocker Bug Review Meeting #1 2010-08-27 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST)

> When: Friday, 2010-08-27 @ 16:00 UTC (12 PM EST) > Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net Right of the coat tails of Fedora 14 Alpha, it's time for another installment of the blocker bug review meeting! Friday kicks off the first of several Beta bug review meetings. If you are the owne

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 15:35 +0200, drago01 wrote: > Indeed, imo we should add them to the release criteria. It's a rather indigestible lump, for the criteria. James and I were thinking about a 'module' system for the release criteria so it can link out to other pages, but I'm wondering when a dil

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 13:05 +0100, M A Young wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > > I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible > > to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? > > Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, s

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:01 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > FWIW, I'm with Jon and Adam on this one. I just don't see how not having > > an MTA by default is a win, except in disk space terms, and it takes up > > a tiny amount of disk space (especially if we pick a lighter-w

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:52:45AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > FWIW, I'm with Jon and Adam on this one. I just don't see how not having > > an MTA by default is a win, except in disk space terms, and it takes up > > a tiny amount

F-14 Branched report: 20100825 changes

Compose started at Wed Aug 25 13:15:34 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnat-4.4.so PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.x86_64 req

Re: stuck on git (again)

Michael Cronenworth writes: > Without that config option you need: > > $ git push f13/master The first argument is the repository to push to. Also, since local and remote branch have different names you have to specify both. $ git push origin f13:f13/master (fedpkg should have reverted to use

Broken dependencies: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule

perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-14 tree: On x86_64: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) On i386: perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-4.fc13.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.10.1) Please resolve this as soon as po

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker wrote: > Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >> Neal Becker wrote: >>> No idea what this means. >> >> It means it has been 10 commits since you have pushed ("synced") >> with the git repo living on pkgs.fedoraproject.org. Remember that >> you have your own unique git repository living on your

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker wrote: > git config --global push.default tracking > seems to have fixed things. (Still don't know what this magic means) Git can push to one or many branches. You have to specify which branch to push - it can't read your mind. :) Without that config option you need: $ git push f13

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 08:41:52AM -0500, David Smith wrote: > > I'm still trying to work out how to get systemctl to boot > > my netbook into run level 5. The usual way of changing this > > seems to have no effect and that is a problem. RFE to make it a feature of systemctl:

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker wrote: > But all I did was update the spec file (and did new sources), so how is that > 10 commits? $ git log Check out who has been committing? You might also find the gitk tool (or other equivalents found in the Fedora repos) useful for visualizing the history. -- devel mailing li

Re: stuck on git (again)

Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Neal Becker wrote: >> No idea what this means. > > It means it has been 10 commits since you have pushed ("synced") with > the git repo living on pkgs.fedoraproject.org. Remember that you have > your own unique git repository living on your local system. But all I di

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 04:08:49PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 25.08.10 03:03, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > The traditional solution is to reexec not on shutdown, but immediately > > after init upgrade (which also frees the inodes early); this can still > > race with shu

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker wrote: > No idea what this means. It means it has been 10 commits since you have pushed ("synced") with the git repo living on pkgs.fedoraproject.org. Remember that you have your own unique git repository living on your local system. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: stuck on git (again)

Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 03:57:31PM +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> Till Maas writes: >> >> > git config --add push.default tracking >> >> push.default can only have one value, so --add does not make sense. > > Ok, I adjusted it here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_F

Re: stuck on git (again)

Andreas Schwab wrote: > Neal Becker writes: > >> $ fedpkg push >> Everything up-to-date >> $ fedpkg build >> Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo >> >> Clue? > > $ git status > > Andreas. > git status # On branch f13 # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/f13/master'

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, 25.08.10 03:03, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > > > > If the libraries or binaries used by systemd are replaced during > > > > > runtime, > > > > > and it is not re-executed on shutdown, the filesystem will have busy > > > > > inodes > > > > > on shutdown. (If you'd like to tak

Re: stuck on git (again)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 03:57:31PM +0200, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Till Maas writes: > > > git config --add push.default tracking > > push.default can only have one value, so --add does not make sense. Ok, I adjusted it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Using_Fedora_GIT Regards Till pgpUx

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker writes: > $ fedpkg push > Everything up-to-date > $ fedpkg build > Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo > > Clue? $ git status Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E "And n

Re: stuck on git (again)

Till Maas writes: > git config --add push.default tracking push.default can only have one value, so --add does not make sense. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E "And now for something completely different."

Re: stuck on git (again)

Neal Becker wrote: > $ fedpkg push > Everything up-to-date > $ fedpkg build > Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo > > Clue? > Here's what I tried to do. After clone, then build for F15 OK. git merge -m "Initial pseudo merge for dist-git setup" -s ours origin/{f1

Re: stuck on git (again)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:39:09AM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > $ fedpkg push > Everything up-to-date > $ fedpkg build > Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo > > Clue? You might need to do this to get the push working: git config --add push.default tracking Regards T

Re: stuck on git (again)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/25/2010 09:39 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > $ fedpkg push > Everything up-to-date > $ fedpkg build > Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo > > Clue? > Sounds like you have modified files in your checkout that aren't comm

Re: a note on order of arguements to systemctl command

On 08/25/2010 01:39 AM, pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm still trying to work out how to get systemctl to boot > my netbook into run level 5. The usual way of changing this > seems to have no effect and that is a problem. There's a new question/answer just added to the systemd FAQ that explains t

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:20:44AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 wrote: >> >> >> It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's >> >> always a fight to keep our live images with

stuck on git (again)

$ fedpkg push Everything up-to-date $ fedpkg build Could not initiate build: There are unpushed changes in your repo Clue? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wed, 25.08.10 13:05, M A Young (m.a.yo...@durham.ac.uk) wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > > I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible > > to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? > > Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 12:20 +0200, Christof Damian wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 23:06, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: > >> If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a > >> workstation user like it. > >> > > > > [citation needed] > > > > I asked

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 23:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> > I'm going to be blunt. I DON'T CARE. >> >> Yay, thanks that you don't care. You are aware that by putting >> everything on a single man's shoulders and then telling him "yo

Re: systemd and changes

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 01:29:20AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Note that I have now changed git upstream to preferably return 3 or 5 if > > multiple different answers would make sense. This should avoid most > > problems with scrip

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 23:31 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > I'm going to be blunt. I DON'T CARE. > > Yay, thanks that you don't care. You are aware that by putting > everything on a single man's shoulders and then telling him "you don't > care" you make him feel really welcome and make him w

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On 08/25/2010 06:20 AM, Christof Damian wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 23:06, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: >>> If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a >>> workstation user like it. >>> >> >> [citation needed] >> >> I asked for this and was to

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On 08/25/2010 05:35 PM, M A Young wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > >> I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible >> to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? > Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, so > I switched

Re: systemd and changes

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:33:25PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 8/24/10 2:13 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:15:54PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > >> Because generally whats on the mainboard (or in the laptop) works. If > >> it didn't work, the first reaction isn't "Oh

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On 08/25/2010 03:05 PM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Ralf Corsepius writes: > >> On 08/25/2010 09:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Chris Adams wrote: How many users use "at" or "bc" (well, I use "dc" all the time)? >>> >>> Well, at least "at" is a nice command and some people use it, but… >>> W

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

Ralf Corsepius writes: > On 08/25/2010 09:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Chris Adams wrote: >>> How many users use "at" or "bc" (well, I use "dc" all the time)? >> >> Well, at least "at" is a nice command and some people use it, but… >> >>> What about "ed"? >> >> … it's time we drop such legacy ju

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

2010/8/25 Dennis Gilmore : > appending init=/sbin/upstart  to your boot line will get you booting using > upstart. Thanks for the tip! -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wednesday, August 25, 2010 07:05:06 am M A Young wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > > I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible > > to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? > > Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to wor

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:05:01PM +0200, Jan Safranek wrote: > > bug number? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626794 thanks. -- Matthew Miller Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional & Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences -- devel mailing

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On 08/25/2010 09:08 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Chris Adams wrote: >> How many users use "at" or "bc" (well, I use "dc" all the time)? > > Well, at least "at" is a nice command and some people use it, but… > >> What about "ed"? > > … it's time we drop such legacy junk! What you offend as "legacy jun

Re: is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible > to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? Yes, upstart still works. I tried systemd and couldn't get it to work, so I switched the machine back to upstart. You may need a rescue

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On 08/25/2010 01:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:58:26PM +0200, Jan Safranek wrote: >> It should also mount nothing else unless it is absolutely necessary for >> systemd! Currently systemd mounts all control groups controllers >> (/cgroup/cpu, /cgroup/cpuset, /cgroup/cpuac

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 09:08:22AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > What about "ed"? > … it's time we drop such legacy junk! Scripts are all written to sed (or > something entirely different, like awk or perl) these days, and nobody > seriously uses ed for interactive editing (there are tons of mor

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:58:26PM +0200, Jan Safranek wrote: > It should also mount nothing else unless it is absolutely necessary for > systemd! Currently systemd mounts all control groups controllers > (/cgroup/cpu, /cgroup/cpuset, /cgroup/cpuacct, ...), which breaks libcgroup. bug number? -

rawhide report: 20100825 changes

Compose started at Wed Aug 25 08:15:34 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.i686 requires libpoppler.so.6 OpenSceneGraph-libs-2.8.3-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libpoppler.so.6()(64bit) PragmA

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

* mike cloaked [25/08/2010 12:27] : > > I wonder what fraction of users don't use DVD these days? I've switched to PXE-based installs. Haven't used a DVD/CD in ages. Emmanuel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd and changes

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 05:25:17AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > When there's a compelling use case for NetworkManager on machines that > > don't move around? > > The "compelling use case" is that it doesn't make sense to maintain 2 pieces > of core infrastructure code do

[Bug 627192] New: Padre-0.32 requires newer Thread::Queue

Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: Padre-0.32 requires newer Thread::Queue https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=627192 Summary: Padre-0.32 requires newer Thread::Queue Product:

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

On 08/24/2010 05:06 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > GENERAL SANITY > - Booting a system shall achieve a similar result as booting in upstart: > -- The same set of services will be started. > -- The services shall function the same. > -- The same set of devices and filesystems shall be mounted. > -- Th

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010/8/24 pbrobin...@gmail.com : > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: >> my desktop runs on software mirror raid below an lvm. not for >> performance but for data recovery reasons. mdmonitor does mail >> notification. will this be fixed? how about logwatch, it is really >> useful

Re: git rebase OK on Fedora git branches?

Excerpts from Daniel P. Berrange's message of Wed Aug 25 11:08:16 +0200 2010: > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:34:36AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 8/24/10 6:43 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > Is it OK to use 'git rebase -i' to compre

is it still possible to use upstart as the init-system in F-14?

Hello All! I would like to know before trying/upgrading F-14 is it still possible to use upstart instead of systemd in F-14? -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [setroubleshoot] - Rebuild for python-2.7

Am 25.08.2010 12:10,chrieb Michael Schwendt: > > And apart from that, the setroubleshoot version in F-14 is newer. Why > not sync the changes? Thank you for your comments. I have double check the situation and find out that you have right with your explaination, so I have to sync the rawhide vers

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:46:41PM +0200, Farkas Levente wrote: >> >> > for workstation most users already use ubuntu. why? because it's more >> > user friendly. >> >> There is nothing wrong with usi

Re: systemd or why will user fall away from fedora?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 23:06, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Till Maas wrote: >> If they like a faster bootup, then yes, they will. And I as a >> workstation user like it. >> > > [citation needed] > > I asked for this and was told by developers they were reluctant to post > the data.

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