Re: Non-responsive maintainer - Chris Ricker

2010-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
I have to second someone taking over rrdtool. I handed it off to Chris a while back, but have still done far more work on it since then than he has, and I've not seen him touch an rrdtool bz in ages. :( (And no, I don't want maintainership back.) I am ready to take it (I already own it in

rawhide report: 20101112 changes

2010-11-12 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Fri Nov 12 08:15:04 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- apcupsd-3.14.8-3.fc15.x86_64 requires libnetsnmp.so.20()(64bit) balsa-2.4.7-2.fc14.x86_64 requires libnotify.so.1()(64bit)

Re: Orphan packages retired for F-14 (and rawhide)

2010-11-12 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 08/27/2010 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: tanukiwrapper I will take this one. -- Miroslav Suchy Red Hat Satellite Engineering -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread nodata
I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ I can't find a review request. nd -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) Things I know of so far: * systemd * gnome3 / gnome-shell default * removing a bunch of suid stuff in favor of capabilities * xfce 4.8 (with any luck). Things that are

python-nltk ownership changed

2010-11-12 Thread Robin Lee
python-nltk ownership is passed from 'salimma' to 'cheeselee'. Cheers. Robin 'cheese' Lee -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Lumens
* btrfs (Is this ready to be default? :) If so, would that warrant a change in our lvm by default setup? I don't think we are quite ready for this yet. I do have btrfs strategy on my todo list, though. I'm hoping we can start talking at FUDCon about what we want btrfs to do for us,

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 11/12/2010 11:46 AM, Chris Lumens wrote: * btrfs (Is this ready to be default? :) If so, would that warrant a change in our lvm by default setup? I don't think we are quite ready for this yet. I do have btrfs strategy on my todo list, though. I'm hoping we can start talking at FUDCon

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread clumens
We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can fix the file system!). Last week at plumbers, we did get a large chunk of the btrfs

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM, clum...@redhat.com wrote: We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can fix the file system!). Last week

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 09:35:54 -0700, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Maybe for some people. Having spin stuff break before the alpha and final releases, was neither dull nor relaxing. The beta was OK for

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Chris Lumens
Agreed, my plan was to take away the option for F15 (I sent the anaconda patch already right?) and leave it as an optional thing for at least 2 releases until we even begin to discuss setting it as default. Yep, it's been in for quite a while now: commit

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/12/2010 05:03 PM, clum...@redhat.com wrote: We have been spending a lot of time and thought trying to scheme about how to accelerate btrfs. At this point, it is actually fairly stable but still missing key things (most notably a fsck that can fix the file system!). Last week at

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Till Maas
On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant problems with one release. This does not justify the conclusion that the policies should

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Kevin Fenzi wrote: * grub2 (no one is driving for this that I know of, but has some advantages over our grub1 if someone is willing to run with it, although it may be a lot of work to get it to where we need it). I understood grub2 is much worse for serial console

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) Things I know of so far: * systemd * gnome3 / gnome-shell default * removing a bunch of suid stuff in favor of

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Robyn Bergeron
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. Fedora 14 was a pretty relaxing and stable release. I'm thinking that Fedora 15 may be much more exciting. ;) Things I know of so far: * systemd * gnome3 / gnome-shell default * removing a bunch of suid stuff

Re: GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread Neal Becker
nodata wrote: I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ I can't find a review request. nd Isn't it part of moreutils? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 20:03 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the policies for three releases. There are significant problems with one release. This

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:32 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: Till Maas opensou...@till.name writes: On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the policies for three releases. There are

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:32 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of critical packages, for which there

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Simo Sorce
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 11:19:22 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 20:03 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 10:09:17AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I disagree. The evidence you cite does not support this conclusion. We implemented the

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 14:54 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: Adam why should security updates wait at all ? Do you fear some packager will flag as security updates that are not ? Surely we can deal with such maintainer if that happens... I don't have a hugely strong opinion either way, but the stated

Re: GNU Parallel

2010-11-12 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2010-11-12 09:02:40 PM, nodata wrote: On 12/11/10 20:18, Neal Becker wrote: nodata wrote: I've searched with yum, through bugzilla, and using koji. I can't find it. Is GNU Parallel not in Fedora? http://www.gnu.org/software/parallel/ I can't find a review request. nd

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the default in Fedora. Thanks, Grub2 has been in

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 11/12/2010 03:58 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs patches upstream in

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Josef Bacik
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/12/2010 03:58 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: On 11/12/2010 02:55 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 11/12/2010 12:09 PM, Josef Bacik wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support,

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Peter Jones
On 11/12/2010 11:35 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: * grub2 (no one is driving for this that I know of, but has some advantages over our grub1 if someone is willing to run with it, although it may be a lot of work to get it to where we need it). I'll be glad to point people in the right

Orphaning some packages

2010-11-12 Thread Aurelien Bompard
I'm orphaning 4 Spring-related packages, due do shrinking free time and inadequate hardware. Spring is a 3D real-time strategy game. The packages are : - spring - spring-installer - spring-maps-default - springlobby Anyone interested ? Aurélien -- http://aurelien.bompard.org Jabber

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Kevin Fenzi writes: * gnome3 / gnome-shell default And what about systems with hardware that does not support accelerated 3D? * Will NM finally be able to do bridging? I'd like to know this too. pgpHpXPxqULIu.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 18:07 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Kevin Fenzi writes: * gnome3 / gnome-shell default And what about systems with hardware that does not support accelerated 3D? There'll be a fallback to metacity. (Or, perhaps, you could run Shell on LLVM...that's just me

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Till Maasopensou...@till.name writes: snip It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Ben Boeckel
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: * Can we finally remove hal? (xfce4.8 shouldn't need it anymore with any luck). Well, I've been doing this since F13, but not having to deal with it in n...@minimal installs as well would be nice :) . * Some kind of packaged wayland to play with, even if

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Mike McGrath
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010, Kevin Fenzi wrote: * Can we finally remove hal? (xfce4.8 shouldn't need it anymore with any luck). Current HEAD of smolt doesn't require it, expecting to release to rawhide soon. -Mike -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 12.11.10 12:09, Josef Bacik (jo...@toxicpanda.com) wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specifically grub2. So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs patches upstream in grub2 I have no intention of making it the default in Fedora. Thanks,

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Michał Piotrowski
Hi, 2010/11/13 Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de: On Fri, 12.11.10 12:09, Josef Bacik (jo...@toxicpanda.com) wrote: Another criteria I have for making it default is I want grub support, specifically grub2.  So until grub2 is in Fedora and we have btrfs patches upstream in grub2 I have

Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans

2010-11-12 Thread Brendan Jones
Some folks at LPC suggested we should switch from grub to syslinux rather than grub2. Meego uses syslinux. I have little clue how both compare, but maybe it's worth considering syslinux given that we already use it for the cd booting and maybe we should consolidate our options and use

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Tom Lane
Clyde E. Kunkel clydekunkel7...@cox.net writes: On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of

[Bug 577669] perl independent sub-package tracking bug.

2010-11-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577669 Bug 577669 depends on bug 570097, which changed state. Bug 570097 Summary: perl-Module-Build is outdated

[perl-Text-Hunspell] Created tag perl-Text-Hunspell-2.02-1.el6

2010-11-12 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Text-Hunspell-2.02-1.el6' was created pointing to: 8595b28... Update to 2.02 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org