Re: BTRFS as default in F17?

2012-01-24 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:22 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Greg aptge...@gmail.com wrote: will BTRFS be default in F17? going by a story posted on Phoronix there's likely to be

Heads-up: fcoe-utils 1.0.22

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Šabata
To all whom it may concern: I updated fcoe-utils 1.0.22 in Rawhide yesterday. This version includes the default interfaces naming scheme change in fipvlan tool, removing the old '-fcoe' suffix. The old behavior could be restored by using the new -f/--suffix options. -P pgpaEENYbnH1Q.pgp

Heads up: Rebuild for Ruby 1.9.3

2012-01-24 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
Hi, since we finally got our Ruby 1.9.3 feature page [1] approved, we are starting rebuild for Ruby 1.9.3. Everyone who owns a package that depends on Ruby or Rubygems should rebuild it in the special Koji target f17-ruby. This target will be merged into rawhide just before the branching, which

Heads up: Ruby license change

2012-01-24 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
Hi all, Ruby 1.9.3 that will be going into Fedora 17 has a different license: Ruby 1.8.x had RUBY and GPLv2 Ruby 1.9.x has RUBY and BSD Cheers, Slavek Kabrda. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Greg
On 24/01/2012 5:11 PM, Frederic Muller wrote: Hi! Some may remember I was struggling with my old (but faithful) T60 and rawhide because of poor performance and increased heat. I have therefore upgraded my hardware (more CPUs, more RAM) and have hit a lot of new annoying to critical bugs with

Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Frederic Muller
On 01/24/2012 06:16 PM, Greg wrote: On 24/01/2012 5:11 PM, Frederic Muller wrote: Hi! Some may remember I was struggling with my old (but faithful) T60 and rawhide because of poor performance and increased heat. I have therefore upgraded my hardware (more CPUs, more RAM) and have hit a lot of

OT: Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 06:11, Frederic Muller wrote: Hi! Some may remember I was struggling with my old (but faithful) T60 and rawhide because of poor performance and increased heat. Besides, hw upgrades. Clean dust, more powerful fan\heatsink, thermal paste Raise laptop slightly on edges to clear desk,

Re: OT: Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Frederic Muller
On 01/24/2012 06:46 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: In the case of F16 post to: users list it could be a simple icon\theme missing. For tesing\Rawhide post to: test list In either case say what you have done\tried, relevant logs. Are you in a position to run a seriel console. Yes there is a com port

Re: OT: Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 11:03, Frederic Muller wrote: I am also running updates-testing, but my question was really about what would be more effective/beneficial for the project: F16 or rawhide bug filling? It seems it doesn't matter? Testing is always appreciated, but in many cases it depends on what

The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. Three of these are: Debian CUT: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/debian-cut-a-new-rolling-release/

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2012 12:23, schrieb mike cloaked: Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on

[Bug 784243] perl-AnyEvent-XMPP-0.52 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 784253] New: perl-Statistics-Basic-1.6607 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 784254] New: perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.86 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 784255] New: perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.28 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 784256] New: perlbrew-0.40 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
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Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:23 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. Three of these are:

Re: Django packages - proposed name changes

2012-01-24 Thread Bohuslav Kabrda
- Original Message - On 18/01/12 14:47, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Well, if I understand it correctly, the Python packaging guidelines say, that the Python 2 modules should be named python-* and Python 3 modules python3-*, so I would go with that (although I agree that it is a

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Thomas Moschny
2012/1/24 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com: How is rawhide not a rolling release?  Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? This has been discussed several times on this list: Technically, rawhide is a rolling release, sure. But rawhide

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there would be huge advantages in management of systems. I doubt your claims here. Fedora already has

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version.  For servers there would be huge advantages in management of systems. Can you list what advantages there

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 12:22, Thomas Moschny wrote: 2012/1/24 Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com: How is rawhide not a rolling release? Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? This has been discussed several times on this list: Technically, rawhide

File AnyEvent-XMPP-0.52.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-AnyEvent-XMPP: 8eae8394fc24aae01f651423c2a5 AnyEvent-XMPP-0.52.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-AnyEvent-XMPP] 0.52 bump and some cleanup

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 2af8ddcf3b463c269b52e750c55c0786458e63c8 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 24 13:31:12 2012 +0100 0.52 bump and some cleanup .gitignore |1 + perl-AnyEvent-XMPP.spec | 96 ++ sources |

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 12:30, mike cloaked wrote: The number of problems that have been reported to the lists for yum upgrades seems very large. Although for any rolling release there have been occasions where unforeseen problems have arisen the day to day updates have been largely routine and trouble

[Bug 784243] perl-AnyEvent-XMPP-0.52 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=784243 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 784255] perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.28 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=784255 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/12 12:22, Thomas Moschny wrote: 2012/1/24 Josh Boyerjwbo...@gmail.com: How is rawhide not a rolling release?  Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/12 12:30, mike cloaked wrote: The number of problems that have been reported to the lists for yum upgrades seems very large.  Although for any rolling release there have been occasions where unforeseen problems

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Andrew Price
On 24/01/12 12:24, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there would be huge advantages in management of systems.

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 07:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there would be huge advantages in management of

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 12:41, mike cloaked wrote: This was meant as a discussion in the desirability or otherwise of the concept of rolling release.Of course manpower is required to make it happen. Desirability and manpower can't be seperated in some situations. This being one. page to the sig\wiki

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 07:13 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: How is rawhide not a rolling release? Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? Actually it is totally unsuitable for a stable rolling release. A rolling release, as most mean it these

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2012 01:24 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version. For servers there would be huge advantages in management of

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:23:14AM +, mike cloaked wrote: Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the potential user base for a rolling release version.  For servers there would be huge

Re: PSA: bad HP udev rules somehow break boot with systemd 38

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/23/2012 09:39 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: systemd 37 didn't have a problem booting. I suppose the large number of errors slows udev start down so much that it hits some kind of timeout in 38 that isn't in 37, maybe? v38 introduced the journal and removed the old systemd-kmsg-syslogd

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Henrique Junior
2012/1/24 Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com: On 01/24/2012 07:13 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: How is rawhide not a rolling release?  Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release?  Actually it is totally unsuitable for a stable rolling

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/24/2012 01:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: I've been doing this a while, F16 yum --releasever=17 update --bugfixes --exclude=fedora-release* How can the --bugfixes possibly work when there are no updates metadata in Rawhide? Michal -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many releases, but lately some of them immediately stop being supported until the 'next big release' - which makes fedora far less reliable and desirable

Re: Django packages - proposed name changes

2012-01-24 Thread Matthias Runge
Am 24.01.2012 13:18, schrieb Bohuslav Kabrda: Hi, I think that you should follow the two guidelines that I mentioned in one of my previous mails: [1], [2]. Therefore, you should use something like: Provides: django-debug-toolbar = %{version}-%{release} Obsoletes: django-debug-toolbar 0.9.3-1

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 07:13:03AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Is there any support at all within the development community for a rolling release version of Fedora (and possibly ulitimately Redhat)? Is there a possibility that not moving to rolling release could ultimately damage Fedora in

File List-MoreUtils-0.33.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2012-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-List-MoreUtils: 8a33c84028cc2ff3e92c92434b326c0f List-MoreUtils-0.33.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Text-CSV_XS-0.86.tgz uploaded to lookaside cache by mmaslano

2012-01-24 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Text-CSV_XS: 4f21293f85fea370ab121606dd0f17d9 Text-CSV_XS-0.86.tgz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 14:05, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 01:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: I've been doing this a while, F16 yum --releasever=17 update --bugfixes --exclude=fedora-release* How can the --bugfixes possibly work when there are no updates metadata in Rawhide? Michal We'll it doesn't

[perl-Text-CSV_XS] update to 0.86

2012-01-24 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit e04b4535159e5f99565e5092b562be4e8e00cfd5 Author: Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 24 15:31:18 2012 +0100 update to 0.86 .gitignore|1 + perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec |7 +-- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 3

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many releases, but lately some of them immediately stop being supported until the 'next big release' -

[Bug 784254] perl-Text-CSV_XS-0.86 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=784254 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 14:31, Frank Murphy wrote: How can the --bugfixes possibly work when there are no updates metadata in Rawhide? Michal We'll it doesn't throw an error. So no idea. Apologies forget paste link: http://fpaste.org/IvtS/ -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list

Fwd: (WTF?) ExtUtils::MakeMaker not included in recent red-hat perl releases

2012-01-24 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
So called red-hat perl is popular again on Perl porters. I guess if you have any proposals about Perl packaging, now it's the best time to say so. The main problem is that 'yum install perl' doesn't install whole Perl tarball. Original Message Subject: (WTF?) ExtUtils::MakeMaker

File WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.28.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C: 6ea7012db4f047460881cfd3fa377f95 WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C-0.28.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C] 0.28 bump and some cleanup

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 024d1acbb1e2ac4a252ed7aaf37ce2ddd02305b5 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 24 15:44:03 2012 +0100 0.28 bump and some cleanup .gitignore |1 + perl-WebService-Validator-HTML-W3C.spec | 36 +- sources

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 6:23 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.comwrote: Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. Three of these are:

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/24/2012 08:09 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many releases, but lately some of them immediately stop

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Bidewell
I have used Fedora, Ubuntu, and Arch. I believe the ideal is a combination of the three 1) A pure rolling release like Arch, upgrades packages when they are stable without regard to external impacts. The early adoption of Python 3 in Arch broke many packages and took awhile to fix. 2) Ubuntu

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/24/2012 08:21 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: Recommended Cycles for major upgrades for each group: 1) User - As soon as possible. 2) System - 6 months. 3) Core - 12-18 months. Problem is that, it is often the case that 1) requires updates in 2) and sometimes even 3) Rahul -- devel

Self Introduction

2012-01-24 Thread Rudy Sicard
Hi, My name is Rudy Sicard. I submitted a review request 781624 (one week ago but freshly updated) and I am seeking a sponsor. I work for a company named MLstate (.mlstate.com). We have created a language to simplify web development, named Opa (opalang.org) which is available with an

Heads up: ladvd using ifAlias coming to rawhide

2012-01-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Hi, WHO MAY BE AFFECTED: people, who installed ladvd voluntarily. It is not installed by default. WHAT IS LADVD: it is a small daemon, using low-level ethernet mechanisms to learn how switches are connected. It implements CDP protocol, LLDP protocol and few others. By default it sends

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Mark Bidewell
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/24/2012 08:21 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: Recommended Cycles for major upgrades for each group: 1) User - As soon as possible. 2) System - 6 months. 3) Core - 12-18 months. Problem is that, it is often the case

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 01/24/2012 08:54 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: 1) I don't think that many changes in the user section would rely heavily on new libraries. (Firefox 9 and Libreoffice both run fine on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS which is almost 2 years old). Only if they bundle libraries. Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/24/2012 03:39 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many releases, but lately some of them immediately stop

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2012 15:48, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 01/24/2012 08:09 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an additional problem it seems - not only are there large changes as part of many

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:53:32 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 24.01.2012 15:48, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: On 01/24/2012 08:09 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 01/24/2012 09:08 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: Fedora suffers an

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/24/2012 04:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.01.2012 15:48, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: You are ridding on thin ice here. systemd gets many many updates. Claiming that it doesnt receive proper attention is very much unsubstantiated. I think you should go back on this claim. where are they

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2012 17:07, schrieb Michal Schmidt: this is BAD because the version in F15 was a really EARLY state services for F16 like cups rely on systemd-features that do NOT exist in F15 - so you have no chance converting sysv to systemd in an easy way on your F15 installation I disagree

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Johannes Lips
YAWN! On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Am 24.01.2012 17:07, schrieb Michal Schmidt: this is BAD because the version in F15 was a really EARLY state services for F16 like cups rely on systemd-features that do NOT exist in F15 - so you have no

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 16:21, Johannes Lips wrote: YAWN! Please don't, I've got Narcolepsy. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fwd: (WTF?) ExtUtils::MakeMaker not included in recent red-hat perl releases

2012-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2012 03:45 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: So called red-hat perl is popular again on Perl porters. I guess if you have any proposals about Perl packaging, now it's the best time to say so. The main problem is that 'yum install perl' doesn't install whole Perl tarball. It should not. It

File DateTime-Format-DateParse-0.05.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-DateTime-Format-DateParse: a9a66f74aeba7c45730430dbf9b37cfd DateTime-Format-DateParse-0.05.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-DateTime-Format-DateParse] 0.05 bump

2012-01-24 Thread Petr Pisar
commit db3d15fef2c3453e346ec538a3e0d01dde6880e5 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Jan 24 17:37:15 2012 +0100 0.05 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-DateTime-Format-DateParse.spec | 43 ++- sources

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Michal Schmidt
On 01/24/2012 05:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: when i see that services which was not converted to systemd needs features which were not available with the systemd of F15 this is a clear sign that systemd was NOT ready for a GA release That missing feature is PathExistsGlob=, isn't it? So the

[Bug 784245] perl-DateTime-Format-DateParse-0.05 is available

2012-01-24 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=784245 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.01.2012 17:37, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On 01/24/2012 05:17 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: when i see that services which was not converted to systemd needs features which were not available with the systemd of F15 this is a clear sign that systemd was NOT ready for a GA release That

Re: Fwd: (WTF?) ExtUtils::MakeMaker not included in recent red-hat perl releases

2012-01-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 01/24/2012 06:15 PM, Dave Cross wrote: On 01/24/2012 04:28 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 01/24/2012 03:45 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: So called red-hat perl is popular again on Perl porters. I guess if you have any proposals about Perl packaging, now it's the best time to say so. The main

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 24 janvier 2012 16:03, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : On 01/24/2012 08:21 PM, Mark Bidewell wrote: Recommended Cycles for major upgrades for each group: 1) User - As soon as possible. 2) System - 6 months. 3) Core - 12-18 months. Problem is that, it is often the case that 1) requires

Re: Heads up: ladvd using ifAlias coming to rawhide

2012-01-24 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: WHAT TO EXPECT: nothing should break because of ifAlias. But if something goes wrong, let me wrong, I will flip default switch to off in our unit file. How does this affect lldpad and why do we have both it and ladvd? -- devel

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/24/2012 06:23 AM, mike cloaked wrote: Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. I have some systems that were upgraded across multiple

[perl-List-MoreUtils] Created tag perl-List-MoreUtils-0.33-1.fc17

2012-01-24 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-List-MoreUtils-0.33-1.fc17' was created pointing to: 4ed7cee... Update to 0.33 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Heads up: ladvd using ifAlias coming to rawhide

2012-01-24 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 02:09:37PM -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 04:20:16PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote: WHAT TO EXPECT: nothing should break because of ifAlias. But if something goes wrong, let me wrong, I will flip default switch to off in our unit file. How

Re: new hardware, more problems

2012-01-24 Thread Ric Wheeler
On 01/24/2012 05:36 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: On 01/24/2012 06:16 PM, Greg wrote: On 24/01/2012 5:11 PM, Frederic Muller wrote: Hi! Some may remember I was struggling with my old (but faithful) T60 and rawhide because of poor performance and increased heat. I have therefore upgraded my

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
mike cloaked wrote: Is there any support at all within the development community for a rolling release version of Fedora (and possibly ulitimately Redhat)? No. We've had this discussion many times. It just doesn't work. There are changes like KDE 4 or GNOME 3 which can't just be pushed as an

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 01/24/2012 02:59 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: But a fully rolling release just cannot work (and this is also why all those just use Rawhide if you want the latest, usable Rawhide etc. suggestions are fundamentally flawed). Yes, there are distros doing this, but they all have one thing in

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: mike cloaked wrote: Is there any support at all within the development community for a rolling release version of Fedora (and possibly ulitimately Redhat)? No. We've had this discussion many times. It just doesn't

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:  Moving any large change has challenges - whether periodic or rolling.  In that sense, they are no different - both can be a PITA.  However, in a rolling model you have the advantage of it being the -only- change you

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM, mike cloaked mike.cloa...@gmail.com wrote: So how did Arch Linux cope with that particular set of changes?  I suppose Arch Linux collapsed never to recover?  I think not! It would behoove the argument you are making if you could write up the summary of how Arch

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: A question please? Two related ones actually. What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we expect to see it? :-)   notice this. Of course the decision about a name would be a really huge discussion!

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 20:52, David wrote: A question please? Two related ones actually. What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we expect to see it? :-) notice this. Rooling rooling rooling Rawhde ):)( -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded -- devel mailing list

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Genes MailLists wrote: Moving any large change has challenges - whether periodic or rolling. In that sense, they are no different - both can be a PITA. However, in a rolling model you have the advantage of it being the -only- change you need to do .. which is far less an issue than

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/12 20:52, David wrote: A question please? Two related ones actually. What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we expect to see it? :-)  notice this. Rooling rooling rooling

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Rich Megginson rmegg...@redhat.com wrote: On 01/24/2012 02:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 24/01/12 20:52, David wrote: A question please? Two related ones actually. What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we expect to see it?

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Frank Murphy
On 24/01/12 21:08, Kevin Kofler wrote: I don't think it makes sense for an individual to drive this forward without any sort of consensus. Kevin Kofler I disagree, in a manner. Not necessarily drive forward. But at least have a presentaion ready. With some facts, some analysis,

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/12 21:08, Kevin Kofler wrote: I don't think it makes sense for an individual to drive this forward without any sort of consensus.         Kevin Kofler I disagree, in a manner. Not necessarily drive

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
mike cloaked wrote: So how did Arch Linux cope with that particular set of changes? I suppose Arch Linux collapsed never to recover? I think not! There are 2 ways rolling release distros handle this kind of transition: a) They just push it. That leaves you with e.g. your desktop being

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Till Maas
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 07:13:03AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: Or perhaps better asked, what about rawhide makes it unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? The rpm packages in Rawhide are not signed. Regards Till -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[389-devel] Please review: [389 Project] #52: FQDN set to nsslapd-listenhost makes the server start fail if IPv4-mapped-IPv6 address is given

2012-01-24 Thread Noriko Hosoi
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/52 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/52/0001-Trac-Ticket-52-FQDN-set-to-nsslapd-listenhost.patch Fix description: Added a code to check netaddr is duplicated or not. When the address is IPv4-mapped-IPv6, cut the IPv4 part out of the address and

gcc-4.7 build issue

2012-01-24 Thread Alain Portal
Hi, Kicad doesn't build with gcc-4.7 and I don't understand anything with c++. Can somebody help me? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3730441 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-December/160723.html http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=29131 Regards,

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
mike cloaked wrote: That way once installed there is no need to maintain and test updates specifically for the current release. As an overall workload would this actually be any more effort than the constant stream of testing for the two current releases - as an overall picture? Of course

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
mike cloaked wrote: Arch has an extensive wiki and a lot of very helpful forums including a valuable announce forum https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page https://bbs.archlinux.org/ https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewforum.php?id=24 If you like what Arch is doing so much, why don't you

Re: gcc-4.7 build issue

2012-01-24 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Alain Portal alain.por...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Kicad doesn't build with gcc-4.7 and I don't understand anything with c++. Can somebody help me? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3730441

Outage: Server reboots for systems - 2012-01-27 04:00 UTC

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Outage: Server reboots for systems - 2012-01-27 04:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2012-01-27 04:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2012-01-27

Re: gcc-4.7 build issue

2012-01-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alain Portal wrote: Kicad doesn't build with gcc-4.7 and I don't understand anything with c++. Can somebody help me? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3730441 http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2011-December/160723.html

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