Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 2012-11-05 12:22, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/05/2012 07:52 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A crit path update that affects, say, two packages and nothing else, could be "approved by default" as well. Many of the crit path features however affect a large or extremely large package set (e.

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-05 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:39:54 +0100 drago01 escribió: > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Dennis Gilmore > wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > El Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:59:54 -0700 > > Jesse Keating escribió: > >> On 10/31/

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:32:07 -0700 Kevin Fenzi escribió: > On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:55:51 +0100 > Till Maas wrote: > > > Rawhide is not intended to be used for anything important and with > > any security sensitive data because the used packages are not

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 01:58:05PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: >> That might be because nobody can get past the >> installer to test any of the GNOME bits. > > Heh. In seriousness, I've been running F18 GNOME on my laptop and, while I > have

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121031 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Iain Arnell
On Nov 5, 2012 1:21 PM, "Stephen John Smoogen" wrote: > > On 5 November 2012 11:17, Tom Callaway wrote: > > On 11/05/2012 09:21 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: > >> On 10/31/2012 07:53 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > [perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser] > perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser-0.13-9.fc17.noarch

Re: MPI updates

2012-11-05 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 11/02/2012 05:10 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: On 11/01/2012 04:21 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:08:36 -0600 Orion Poplawski wrote: Some MPI updates: - I built openmpi 1.6.3 in rawhide yesterday. This had an unexpected bump in the libmpi_f90.so soname. I know this affects

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 22:33, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 17:04 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> You proposal may work *if* GNOME people take care to respect it. >> Otherwise >> — yes the nuclear option is to only distribute GNOME releases that were >> ready at branch time

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Alek Paunov
On 05.11.2012 15:57, Simo Sorce wrote: A possibly viable alternative for the ABIs freezing (which we can not ensure anyway) is the C/C++/etc tooling - If we arm upstreams, packagers and 3rd parties with powerful source tools (API migration/checking), just like Google does internally, unsing the

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 01:58:05PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > That might be because nobody can get past the > installer to test any of the GNOME bits. Heh. In seriousness, I've been running F18 GNOME on my laptop and, while I have a number of annoyances with some design decisions (some patched

Re: Review Swap: ownCloud Server

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 22:49:04 +0100 Gregor Tätzner wrote: > Hello guys and girls, > > I need a review for owncloud: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858841 > > the licences are good, note that there is not much time left if we > want to achieve this approved f18 feature [1] Note th

Re: Review Swap: ownCloud Server

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:49:04PM +0100, Gregor Tätzner wrote: > Hello guys and girls, > I need a review for owncloud: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858841 > the licences are good, note that there is not much time left if we want to > achieve this approved f18 feature [1] > I admi

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/04/2012 01:31 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Yeh, autoqa can't do a whole lot when its builds often intentionally dependencies break (eg soname bumps). Unless such builds were required to be done in a staging area - this is *possible* already but not much used. It'd have to be reasonably conve

Review Swap: ownCloud Server

2012-11-05 Thread Gregor Tätzner
Hello guys and girls, I need a review for owncloud: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858841 the licences are good, note that there is not much time left if we want to achieve this approved f18 feature [1] I admit, this package is quite big. But in return I would be happy to review 2

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 17:04 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > You proposal may work *if* GNOME people take care to respect it. Otherwise > — yes the nuclear option is to only distribute GNOME releases that were > ready at branch time and could be stabilised during all the Fedora test > releases. It

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 4 November 2012 23:57, drago01 wrote: > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 12:18 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 00:36 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > 2012/11/3 Adam Williamson : >>> > > Note >>> > > that nei

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/05/2012 07:52 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: A crit path update that affects, say, two packages and nothing else, could be "approved by default" as well. Many of the crit path features however affect a large or extremely large package set (e.g. the sysv->systemd script migration), in which case

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121031 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 5 November 2012 11:17, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 11/05/2012 09:21 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: >> On 10/31/2012 07:53 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: [perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser] perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser-0.13-9.fc17.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) >>> >>> Really broken. D

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:55:26PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> > Here, I think you're smooshing together two of the three levels I'd >> > suggested, putting both non-crit-path enhancements and new leaf >> > functionality into one category

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:55:26PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > Here, I think you're smooshing together two of the three levels I'd > > suggested, putting both non-crit-path enhancements and new leaf > > functionality into one category. Is that correct? > Yes, the "self-contained" wording cover

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread John . Florian
> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > > On 11/05/2012 05:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > On 11/02/2012 07:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >> Sure, like I said in another mail, we've got better at that than before. > >> But as I also said in the same mail, you still have to do a version > >>

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/05/2012 05:28 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: On 11/02/2012 07:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Sure, like I said in another mail, we've got better at that than before. But as I also said in the same mail, you still have to do a version upgrade every twelve months. That alone is ridiculous for

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >>> >It's a clean installation, I don't think it needs any magic. Also >>> >third-party repos are not a problem, we just ignore them and they >>> >won't influence the new system. People will add them manually again >>> >once in 18 months. >

[perl-Image-ExifTool/f16] 9.04

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Callaway
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File Image-ExifTool-9.04.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by spot

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Callaway
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Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 05:45:14PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: >> > I think "Leaf" is better than "Self contained", since it's unlikely for >> > the feature to have zero outside dependencies. I think it'd be fine for >> > such a feature to r

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:32:07 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I would personally love to see koji sign all official builds with a "This was built in koji" key. If the same key is used regardless of release that could allow for hard links to builds inherited from another release. That could sp

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 11:32:07AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Fedora is going to be the first distribution that abandons package > > security more and more instead of trying to improve it. As far as I know > > starting with preupgrade doing insecure updates were promoted and now > > they are goi

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 13:23:59 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote: >> This tool is still not going to be able to do magic and there will >> be >> config >> things that still need to be redone. Third party repos will still >> be >> an issue. > >It's a clean installation, I don't think it needs any magi

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 18:55:51 +0100 Till Maas wrote: > Rawhide is not intended to be used for anything important and with any > security sensitive data because the used packages are not signed. > Whenever I asked to get Rawhide packages signed I was also told that > it is, because of Rawhide's use

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 05:45:14PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > I think "Leaf" is better than "Self contained", since it's unlikely for > > the feature to have zero outside dependencies. I think it'd be fine for > > such a feature to rely on small changes to existing packages (version > > updat

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Kamil Paral
> >> This tool is still not going to be able to do magic and there will > >> be > >> config > >> things that still need to be redone. Third party repos will still > >> be > >> an issue. > > > >It's a clean installation, I don't think it needs any magic. Also > >third-party repos are not a problem,

Re: Proposal: changing development cycle

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:21:42 +0100 Paolo Leoni wrote: > Hi, > I'm a Fedora user and, occasionally, contributor. > I'm writing to you only to expose a simple proposal on Fedora future. > > We are debating on how Fedora Development cycle could be improved, > and, at the same time, how to maintain i

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Kamil Paral
> >* A release for general users with low volume of security fixes and > >important bug fixes. > >** Bug fixes would be pushed monthly and QA would be performed on > >this monthly batch of updates. > > Some packages need more than bug fix updates (unless you are taking a > very > broad view of what

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 18:55, Till Maas a écrit : > Rawhide is not intended to be used for anything important and with any > security sensitive data because the used packages are not signed. Alas > Whenever I asked to get Rawhide packages signed I was also told that it > is, because of Rawhide'

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121031 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Tom Callaway
On 11/05/2012 09:21 AM, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 10/31/2012 07:53 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: >>> [perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser] >>> perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser-0.13-9.fc17.noarch requires >>> perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) >> >> Really broken. Does not build with current perl. I suggest that it be >

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 06:32:20PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > So, I have been thinking about rawhide. > > I agree identifying the problems/issues would be good, and I think > there's something we can do to help with that: > > Get a nice group of at least 10 or so folks who are active on this l

[perl-Sys-MemInfo/el5: 6/6] Merge branch 'master' into el5

2012-11-05 Thread Orion Poplawski
commit 51b209efc779419a8b623accf1b28d8dc86369c9 Merge: 7b2c0b9 ff7a981 Author: Orion Poplawski Date: Mon Nov 5 10:46:25 2012 -0700 Merge branch 'master' into el5 .rpmlint |2 ++ perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec | 29 + 2 files changed, 23 insertions(+),

[perl-Sys-MemInfo/el5] (6 commits) ...Merge branch 'master' into el5

2012-11-05 Thread Orion Poplawski
Summary of changes: 7461b80... Improve description (*) 102f01c... Specify all dependencies (*) 5d392a2... Modernize spec file (*) ca549ff... Teach rpmlint (*) ff7a981... Change license (*) 51b209e... Merge branch 'master' into el5 (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no

[perl-Sys-MemInfo/el6] (5 commits) ...Change license

2012-11-05 Thread Orion Poplawski
Summary of changes: 7461b80... Improve description (*) 102f01c... Specify all dependencies (*) 5d392a2... Modernize spec file (*) ca549ff... Teach rpmlint (*) ff7a981... Change license (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/02/2012 07:04 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: Sure, like I said in another mail, we've got better at that than before. But as I also said in the same mail, you still have to do a version upgrade every twelve months. That alone is ridiculous for a 'stable' operating system. This is an importa

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:09:21PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> > That sounds good. Maybe recast those ideas as three levels? >> > - Critical Path Feature >> > - Other Enhancement Feature >> > - New Leaf Feature >> We were thinking wit

Re: Feature template update [was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule...]

2012-11-05 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 11/01/2012 06:09 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> We were thinking with a few folks more about "Self contained feature" >> but yeah, there's a lack of real definition. >> >> Other thing is - these "Self contained features" could be a

[perl-AppConfig] Specify all dependencies. Use DESTDIR rather than PERL_INSTALL_ROOT.

2012-11-05 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 63d3373030b7bdad93fce9a3b7ca0104bd29e68e Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Mon Nov 5 17:36:44 2012 +0100 Specify all dependencies. Use DESTDIR rather than PERL_INSTALL_ROOT. Signed-off-by: Marcela Mašláňová perl-AppConfig.spec | 15 --- 1 files changed, 12 ins

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For the most part I always run Rawhide. Except for a few weeks after branch. I like to find the SELinux issues early... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ i

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > So, I have been thinking about rawhide. > > I agree identifying the problems/issues would be good, and I think > there's something we can do to help with that: > > Get a nice group of at least 10 or so folks who are active on this list > to agre

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 12:12, Jaroslav Reznik a écrit : > - Original Message - >> >> Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 10:45, Dodji Seketeli a écrit : >> Someone wrote in this thread that Gnome updates were painful in >> branched. >> Well they are horrific in Rawhide. If there was some effort to mak

[perl-Text-CSV_XS] Modernize spec file

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 38557497ba8b68b2e0c515d8409d2ab7fa222cb7 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 15:36:46 2012 +0100 Modernize spec file perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec |1 - 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec b/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec index 7205219..d3bc9cf

[perl-Text-CSV_XS] Correct dependencies

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit cf2671f51e4283d7fc2f0608c3863315575d0d90 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 15:36:25 2012 +0100 Correct dependencies perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec | 19 +-- 1 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec b/perl-Text-CSV_XS.spec in

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-05 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, > If/when the "real work" behind a feature has been done early enough, > getting from Fedora alpha to final consists of just a few bugfixes Ah well.. only if everybody else did this so all the dependencies are stable. In which case you just moved the development freeze to earlier date. No im

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Nikos Roussos
Tom Lane wrote: >Simon Lukasik writes: >> Currently, each Fedora release is kept alive for 13(+/-) months. >There >> were dozens of threads about shortening or prolonging period -- but I >am >> not sure if something like the following has been ever discussed: > >> Each N-th Fedora release -- wh

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 07:27:06AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I thought about that, but I don't think another list is something do so > lightly. How about rawhide folks add a [rawhide] to their email > subjects here to make them easy to filter out/see. > I'd personally love to see more signal her

Re: Proposal: changing development cycle

2012-11-05 Thread Mark Bidewell
I like this idea, it would also allow the introduction of things like newer versions of Libreoffice, KDE, GNOME faster than potentially breaking changes. On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Paolo Leoni wrote: > You can find the same proposal scheme using this link (in order to avoid > mail formatti

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > Release parties and codenames were just examples. It's about the buzz > around releases. You can check Google Trends where you find peaks in > number of searches for Fedora after every release. Or fp.org monthly > stats. You would lose revi

Re: MPI updates

2012-11-05 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 11/01/2012 04:21 PM, Jussi Lehtola wrote: > >> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 09:08:36 -0600 >> Orion Poplawski wrote: >> >>> Some MPI updates: >>> >>> - I built openmpi 1.6.3 in rawhide yesterday. This had an unexpected >>> bump in the libmpi_f9

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 10:45:00 +0100 Dodji Seketeli wrote: ...snip... > Could we have a rawhide-list for this? I know fighting proliferation > of mailing list is a good thing, but practically speaking, being able > to quickly scan a mailing list before doing a yum update can help a > Rawhider eva

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Michael scherer
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 10:45:00AM +0100, Dodji Seketeli wrote: > Kevin Fenzi a écrit: > > Additionally, if some number of these folks who pledge to run rawhide > > full time were provenpackagers we could just go in and fix things as > > they hit (or soon after) instead of waiting a while for fi

Re: F-18 Branched report: 20121031 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Paul Howarth
On 10/31/2012 07:53 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: [perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser] perl-Hardware-Verilog-Parser-0.13-9.fc17.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) Really broken. Does not build with current perl. I suggest that it be buried in a hole and covered up with a fire (or, if some

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 08:35:53 -0500, Kamil Paral wrote: My idea would be to have two releases: == Fedora Stable == * A release for general users with low volume of security fixes and important bug fixes. ** Bug fixes would be pushed monthly and QA would be performed on this monthly batc

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 19:47 +0200, Alek Paunov wrote: > On 04.11.2012 19:25, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > note that this is "also" our strength in some respect because it allows > > the system to evolve a lot more quickly, but it also means upgrades are > > Indeed. > > > simply going to break stuff,

rawhide report: 20121105 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 5 08:15:12 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [LabPlot] LabPlot-1.6.0.2-12.fc18.i686 requires libaudiofile.so.0 LabPlot-1.6.0.2-12.fc18.x86_64 requires libaudiofile.so.0()(64bit) [PyKDE] PyK

[perl-Sys-MemInfo] Change license

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit ff7a981be79fd7e937d4bccef3bb0c0a5dc19e2c Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 14:44:34 2012 +0100 Change license perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec | 11 +-- 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec b/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec index c302d3b..b5

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Kamil Paral
> The entire QA team (and the entire anaconda team, for that matter) is > currently spending virtually all its time trying to help bash the new > anaconda into something vaguely resembling shape for a fairly > arbitrary > release deadline, so we can ship something called 'the Fedora 18 > stable > r

Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2012-11-05 Thread buildsys
perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.x86_64 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) On i386: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686

Re: Proposal: changing development cycle

2012-11-05 Thread Paolo Leoni
You can find the same proposal scheme using this link (in order to avoid mail formatting issues): http://www.paololeoni.eu/fedora_proposal.jpg bye, Paolo 2012/11/5 Paolo Leoni > Hi, > I'm a Fedora user and, occasionally, contributor. > I'm writing to you only to expose a simple proposal on Fedo

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:12:59 -0500, > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> - Original Message - >> >> This is a problem - when developers do not work first in Rawhide and >> do not push back to branched (or push into branched from Raw

Proposal: changing development cycle

2012-11-05 Thread Paolo Leoni
Hi, I'm a Fedora user and, occasionally, contributor. I'm writing to you only to expose a simple proposal on Fedora future. We are debating on how Fedora Development cycle could be improved, and, at the same time, how to maintain its "bleeding edge" way. So, this is my proposal: We could introdu

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:12:59 -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - This is a problem - when developers do not work first in Rawhide and do not push back to branched (or push into branched from Rawhide if it's on time). We talked about it in the last Board meeting, one

[perl-Sys-MemInfo] Teach rpmlint

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit ca549ffb9b51d9a871f29270d933d2762e66c48b Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 14:04:33 2012 +0100 Teach rpmlint .rpmlint |2 ++ 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.rpmlint b/.rpmlint new file mode 100644 index 000..17fddf6 --- /dev/null +++ b/.r

[perl-Sys-MemInfo] Modernize spec file

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 5d392a29e50c22982f5a7997ee49bd47bcb4837c Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 14:02:57 2012 +0100 Modernize spec file perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec |5 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec b/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec index c12cde9..c30

[perl-Sys-MemInfo] Specify all dependencies

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 102f01ce793df330929f6ef7c10fb28358f5d28c Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 14:02:28 2012 +0100 Specify all dependencies perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec |6 ++ 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec b/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec index 3f4563

[perl-Sys-MemInfo] Improve description

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 7461b80c41065e4a16ddb4afcbdff8b0f448dcc3 Author: Petr Písař Date: Mon Nov 5 14:00:47 2012 +0100 Improve description perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec |9 ++--- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec b/perl-Sys-MemInfo.spec index 790b301.

[perl-DBD-CSV] Specify all dependencies

2012-11-05 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit fcf8e1c0ebb953d67928a5231863efb05d3aaea5 Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon Nov 5 14:01:30 2012 +0100 Specify all dependencies perl-DBD-CSV.spec |8 +++- 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-DBD-CSV.spec b/perl-DBD-CSV.spec index 5fd46e3..3

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/05/2012 01:11 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:55:38 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: and one "stable" release ( valid for 2 maybe 3 years ) for those in the community that want something they dont constantly having to upgrade to and can deploy on their servers. ( ofcourse t

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > Release parties and codenames were just examples. It's about the buzz > around releases. You can check Google Trends where you find peaks in > number of searches for Fedora after every release. Or fp.org monthly > stats. You would lose rev

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Nicu Buculei
On 11/05/2012 01:13 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: On Monday, November 05, 2012 06:56 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: mike cloaked píše v Ne 04. 11. 2012 v 21:44 +: Does anyone have any reliable statistics about the number of users who feel that release parties and codenames are important to them?

F-18 Branched report: 20121105 changes

2012-11-05 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 5 09:15:26 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dhcp-forwarder] dhcp-forwarder-upstart-0.10-1801.fc18.noarch requires /sbin/initctl [dnf] dnf-0.2.14-2.git4831982.fc18.noarch requires python-hawkey >=

Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2012-11-05 Thread buildsys
perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the F-18 tree: On x86_64: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.x86_64 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) On i386: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.14.2) perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-3.fc17.i686 re

[perl-Devel-Symdump] Add missing requirement - Exporter.

2012-11-05 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
commit 6557398aea0b97caf25820ebe8b80ac18bb6b3c0 Author: Marcela Mašláňová Date: Mon Nov 5 12:53:58 2012 +0100 Add missing requirement - Exporter. perl-Devel-Symdump.spec |6 +- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Devel-Symdump.spec b/perl-Devel-S

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 11/05/2012 01:12 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: - Original Message - Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 10:45, Dodji Seketeli a écrit : Just having a dedicated Rawhide Swat Team of die hard volunteers who could spot issues early, file more bugs, gently push for fixes in Rawhide and last but not le

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Monday, November 05, 2012 06:56 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: mike cloaked píše v Ne 04. 11. 2012 v 21:44 +: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: This is a very valid argument. I understand this is a devel list, so we should stay on the technical level, b

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > > Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 10:45, Dodji Seketeli a écrit : > > > Just having a dedicated Rawhide Swat Team of die hard volunteers > > who > > could spot issues early, file more bugs, gently push for fixes in > > Rawhide and last but not least build a kind of "esprit d

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread Jiri Eischmann
mike cloaked píše v Ne 04. 11. 2012 v 21:44 +: > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jiri Eischmann > wrote: > > > This is a very valid argument. I understand this is a devel > list, so we should stay on the technical level, but if we > discuss such broad

[Bug 872616] perl-XML-LibXML-2.0010 is available

2012-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872616 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

Re: [rhn-client-tools] Created tag rhn-client-tools-1.8.26-1.fc19

2012-11-05 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 11/02/2012 11:32 AM, Nicolas Chauvet wrote: Hi Miroslav, It sounds like you are missing f18 branch while creating new build I always push new Spacewalk packages to rawhide only. The reason is that always some problem pops up - this time broken dependencies on spacewalk-web. In rawhide I hav

Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 5 novembre 2012 10:45, Dodji Seketeli a écrit : > Just having a dedicated Rawhide Swat Team of die hard volunteers who > could spot issues early, file more bugs, gently push for fixes in > Rawhide and last but not least build a kind of "esprit de corps" among > those who suffer Rawhide bre

[perl-XML-LibXML] 2.0010 bumpity

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 80235465a0323c8a5c7bfdda6d352b06cafa9636 Author: Petr Šabata Date: Mon Nov 5 11:16:09 2012 +0100 2.0010 bumpity .gitignore |1 + perl-XML-LibXML.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitig

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2012-11-05 Thread Petr Šabata
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[Bug 872616] perl-XML-LibXML-2.0010 is available

2012-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=872616 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|

[Bug 855755] perl-X11-Protocol-Other-21 is available

2012-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855755 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version|

[perl] Remove patch, update MODULE_COMPAT

2012-11-05 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit acd8b4dbbf9b77434cad7cfb4039e15e90c82d58 Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon Nov 5 10:57:01 2012 +0100 Remove patch, update MODULE_COMPAT ...5.16.1-PATCH-perl-114220-h-not-equiv-to-h.patch | 83 perl.spec |3 +- 2 f

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-05 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 11/05/2012 09:39 AM, drago01 wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:59:54 -0700 Jesse Keating escribió: On 10/31/2012 09:56 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: * Jesse Keating, Jeremy Katz, and others who h

[perl-X11-Protocol-Other] 21 bump

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 24ae61d9bdaa1f7fe103e4e78252040f932c6a99 Author: Petr Šabata Date: Mon Nov 5 10:39:13 2012 +0100 21 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-X11-Protocol-Other.spec | 38 -- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 26 in

File X11-Protocol-Other-21.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2012-11-05 Thread Petr Šabata
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Re: Rawhide

2012-11-05 Thread Dodji Seketeli
Kevin Fenzi a écrit: > Get a nice group of at least 10 or so folks who are active on this list > to agree to run it full time on their main machine. Amen brother. Count me in that group if this ever happens. I already run rawhide on a dedicated box for daily duties like email, web browsing

[perl] Update to 5.16.2

2012-11-05 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
commit 37188919aedfa7b50f47974d52a91bed7aad241e Author: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon Nov 5 10:43:05 2012 +0100 Update to 5.16.2 .gitignore |1 + perl.spec | 14 +++--- sources|2 +- 3 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitign

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-05 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/05/2012 09:22 AM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: You are using your use-case for everyone. If you insist on automatic process, then the metric should work with more data. It's good that we elected FESCO to find out and decide which appropriate metric data should be used to determine that...

File perl-5.16.2.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by jplesnik

2012-11-05 Thread Jitka Plesnikova
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Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-05 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/02/2012 06:57 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 16:44:06 + "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 11/02/2012 04:25 PM, Tom Lane wrote: =?UTF-8?B?IkrDs2hhbm4gQi4gR3XDsG11bmRzc29uIg==?= writes: On 11/02/2012 03:32 PM, Matth

[Bug 855755] perl-X11-Protocol-Other-21 is available

2012-11-05 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855755 Petr Šabata changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |ASSIGNED CC|