On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:46:32 +0100
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> The actual problem is the current Gnome 3 being an entirely different
> product than Gnome 2, which usability-wise has *nothing* in common
> with Gnome2 and addresses a completely different target audience.
Ralf, could you please stop th
Hi,
I was trying to build stuff for fedora 17 and it failed due to
dependency problems:
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/2017/4932017/root.log
What's happening and why is this happenening in a stable release?
Johannes
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4932017
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On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Scott Schmit wrote:
> > Current:
> > em1 -> enp2s0
>
> That is expected, and actually the right thing to do. Udev cannot
> apply such "it looks like it is embedded" heuristics for very
> practical techn
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 02:36:36AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, David Tardon wrote:
> >>On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
> >>>$ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld
> >>>-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 36
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> Hello,
> just a minor point, not getting into the wider "should getaddrinfo()
> be the primary interface" debate...
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Nick Jones wrote:
>> As a quick summary: I would suggest, in addition to addressing
>>
Miloslav Trmač wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, David Tardon wrote:
On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
$ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 362 Dec 6 18:37 /usr/bin/libreoffice
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 32 Dec 6 18:37 /us
Daiki Ueno writes:
> Thanks for testing. Well, when I drafted the feature page, I didn't
> plan to change the default without hearing the opinions from actual
> users of sentence-based Japanese input. But it might be good to start
> with a wider scope and fallback to ibus-anthy if needed.
>
> S
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:20 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:51:49PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > This feature adds a simple configuration setting for firewalld to be able
> > to
> > lock down configuration changes from local applications.
> > == Detailed descriptio
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:21:03 -0800
> From: Luya Tshimbalanga
> To: Development discussions related to Fedora
>
> Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
> Message-ID: <511177bf.1020...@fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; fo
Jochen Schmitt writes:
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 01:21:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> nothing would happen on a webserver with httpd if it would not be
> restarted at package-update which goes wrong if you are using PHP
> and packages of the dep-tree are not yet all updated which fails
> PHP
On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 12:13:56PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote:
> >>This feature adds a rich (high level) language to firewalld, that
> >>allows to easily create complex firewall rules without the knowledge
> >>of iptables syntax.
> >Where is this language documented, or is it still to be designed?
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:51:49PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> This feature adds a simple configuration setting for firewalld to be able to
> lock down configuration changes from local applications.
> == Detailed description ==
> Local applications are able to change the firewall configuratio
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>>
>> In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs.
>>
>> Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE,
>> Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment are back.
On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora "follows blindly" but rather chooses an
upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing
one ot
the criteri
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs.
Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE,
Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment are back.
Gnome 3 is still Gnome. Both MATE and Cinnamon which came years after
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in
#fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
= Followups =
#topic #896 Refine Feature process
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>> On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't say Fedora "follows blindly" but rather chooses an upstream
>>> from
>>> some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
I wouldn't say Fedora "follows blindly" but rather chooses an upstream from
some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot
the criterias).
Gnome has been the default, unless I'm
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas wrote:
> I wouldn't say Fedora "follows blindly" but rather chooses an upstream from
> some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot
> the criterias).
Gnome has been the default, unless I'm misremebering since *before*
Fedora (RH8
On 2013-02-05 20:06, Reindl Harald wrote:
[cut]
what makes me rellay angry (as one who never used and will use GNOME
and i knew GNOME 1.0 and KDE 1.0 as well where most users of today not
heard about linux at all) is that the GNOME developers did NOT learn
ANYTHING by the KDE4.0 disaster and th
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:11 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said:
> > This patchset means that there's a /dev/hwrng available in the guest, so
> > you still need to run something like rngd to mix that into the kernel's
> > entropy pool.
>
> Speaking of, wh
Am 05.02.2013 19:49, schrieb Rave it:> There is a current poll at fedora forum.
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
pff look at the total count
56 users said they use GNOME3
so what..
and even if the count would be larger, it says nothing about how satisfied
they
There is a current poll at fedora forum.
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
The winner is...
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On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:17 +, Tom Hughes wrote:
> On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
>
> > What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
> > desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I
> > am not sure what is the recommended method nowa
HI
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> > Currently, the recommendation is to use systemd macros which essentially
> makes this a global setting. I am not
> > sure why you are not in favor of that
>
> because
>
> > %posttrans
> > test -f /etc/sysconfig/httpd-disable-postt
On Ter, 2013-02-05 at 06:42 +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 17:59 +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 01:52 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > Yes, even then. udev will notice rules dropped there.
> >
> > OK I will test that
>
> I just test it and doesn't
Am 05.02.2013 18:02, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
> Hi
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
>
> it would make MUCH more sense and if you are there
> and have removed the condrestart-crap from all of
> the SPEC-files you are in a position to make a
> global
There's been some interest in using the proposed static analysis results
format ("Firehose") from the Debian side of the house so I've gone ahead
and created:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/firehose-devel
as a mailing list for discussion of the format, importers, etc.
Dave
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Additionally, what about adding 'postupgrade' hooks or assistance?
Ie, after a fedup upgrade you could run and note to users packages
which are orphaned and could be removed, etc
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On Monday 28 of January 2013 09:51:42 Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> = Features/XMvn =
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XMvn
Feature has been moved by maintainer to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Simplified_Maven_Packaging to have more
descriptive URL.
Jaroslav
> Feature owner(s):
On Thursday 31 of January 2013 09:19:56 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:12:28 -0800
>
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I thought the feature deadline was yesterday; are we on late features
> > now?
>
> The deadline was yesterday to have your feature submitted.
Yep, the deadline to have
One additional question on the feature... from the feature page:
"Fedora 16/17/18 are already running MATE Desktop 1.5.5 which is the
development release of 1.6"
Is there a reason for a development release being pushed to stable
releases?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Rel
On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I
am not sure what is the recommended method nowadays--- groupinstall KDE
+ groupremove Gnome? but this can't be rig
On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:34:40 +0100
Harald Hoyer wrote:
> The "rescue" initramfs carries just more kernel drivers to cope with
> different HW and will also have more debug tools, if you really
> really screwed up your real root. Nothing security fancy here,
> besides that you might want to passwor
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907775
--- Comment #1 from Tom "spot" Callaway ---
Pretty sure this is fixed in the update I just pushed a few days ago:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-1833/perl-Mail-Box-2.107-1.fc18
Please test and let me know if
Hi
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> it would make MUCH more sense and if you are there
> and have removed the condrestart-crap from all of
> the SPEC-files you are in a position to make a
> global setting not restart any service which is
> what i want in case of a dist
Hi
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
>
> What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the
> desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection.
>
It certainly is. Every login manager offers that option
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On 02/04/2013 09:49 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
The user should also be informed that the choice is not final, and the
DE can be switched after the installation via package manager.
Does the current webpage indicate this somewhere? I could not see it.
What's worse is that it's harder than it used
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 13:02 +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote:
> On Monday 04 February 2013 22:37:45 David Malcolm wrote:
> > Content-addressed storage: they're named by SHA-1 sum of their contents,
> > similar to how git does it, so if the bulk of the files don't change,
> > they have the same SHA-1 sum an
On 05/02/13 16:38, Petr Pisar wrote:
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:19:56PM +, Paul Howarth wrote:
commit b220aa08f8f4d564f70d052ec9adb2d06c48bc
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Tue Feb 5 16:19:19 2013 +
Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps (#906007)
perl-XM
FYI, the old-generation udisks package has been made orphan in rawhide,
nothing should be really using it nowadays. There's udisks2 (with
incompatible API) as a supported method for handling storage.
Is anybody still using udisks, the first generation? I see a few from
quick repoquery check. Maint
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On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 08:54 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> On 02/04/2013 10:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > https://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/
> > ... kinda. That's the best that I know of.
>
> It lacks in details how I can put hook in upgrade.pre and upgra
commit b220aa08f8f4d564f70d052ec9adb2d06c48bce3
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Tue Feb 5 16:19:19 2013 +
Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps (#906007)
perl-XML-SAX-Writer.spec | 20 +++-
1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
---
d
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:18 +0100, Michael Schroeder wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned
> > when Ubuntu showed up, then?
>
> The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:27:10PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100
> Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> > Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests
> > compatibility with old hosts.
> >
> Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machine
Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said:
> This patchset means that there's a /dev/hwrng available in the guest, so
> you still need to run something like rngd to mix that into the kernel's
> entropy pool.
Speaking of, why is it a thing that we need a separate userspace daemon
to dump data f
Am 05.02.2013 16:58, schrieb Jochen Schmitt:
>> the same for updates of services:
>>
>> nothing would happen on a webserver with httpd if it would not be
>> restarted at package-update which goes wrong if you are using PHP
>> and packages of the dep-tree are not yet all updated which fails
>> PHP
Am 05.02.2013 16:49, schrieb Jochen Schmitt:
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 10:30:50AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
>
>> 2) Modern Windows updates are safer than RPM, speaking broadly
jokingly?
show me a upgrade of production machines from F9 to F17
without end in a inconsistent system on windows -
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commit 24ee883300a32a9208284c5e7bbb1ba8bfe6e3eb
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Tue Feb 5 15:58:36 2013 +
Use included Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007)
perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests.spec | 10 +-
1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
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diff
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 01:21:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> the whole discussion abiut offline updates and why yum is not so good
> for dist-upgrades is from the wrong point of view, most of the problems
> are only existing because with each release working things are mangeled
Odd question,
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 10:30:50AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> 2) Modern Windows updates are safer than RPM, speaking broadly
That is more a QA related topic. On Fedora 17 I have several times the
expirience,
that an update didn't worked well due the existence of broken dependencies.
Best Reg
commit 90c4cb80d8449be441e79cba3b4e167603fad58e
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Tue Feb 5 15:40:00 2013 +
Use shipped Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007)
perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest.spec | 13 +++--
1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
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Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907797
Bug 907797 depends on bug 907550, which changed state.
Bug 907550 Summary: Review Request: perl-Pod-Usage - Print a usage message from
embedded pod documentation
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907550
What
#5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors
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Reporter: limb | Owner: rel-eng@…
Type: task | Status: closed
Milestone: Fedora 19 Alpha | Component: koji
Resolution: fixed| Keywords:
Bloc
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 13:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> and at the end of the road we will be on
> the windows way "you touched anything on the system and
> so please reboot now"
That's not true - no engineer involved in operating systems development
wants that. However:
1) Modern Windows requ
I'm rebasing libtasn1 in rawhide to libtasn1-3.2. As there is some
obsolete API dropped it is accompanied with SONAME bump from
libtasn1.so.3 to libtasn1.so.6. I will try to rebuild the dependencies.
Regards,
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A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Pod-Parser:
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commit 02160656b8e794e2124eb9ce4e0e354ad3683d8b
Author: Paul Howarth
Date: Tue Feb 5 15:06:01 2013 +
Try to avoid having tests running in parallel
perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec |4 +++-
1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec b/perl-Op
the whole discussion abiut offline updates and why yum is not so good
for dist-upgrades is from the wrong point of view, most of the problems
are only existing because with each release working things are mangeled
actual example:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907749
https://bugzilla.
Am 04.02.2013 18:35, schrieb Miroslav Suchý:
> On 01/25/2013 12:12 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> So, you can ignore all of that, but then you have to think about what
>> you actually accomplished by your upgrade? You updated a couple of
>> libraries, and maybe managed to restart a few processe
The Fedora ARM team is pleased to announce that Fedora 18 for ARM is now
available
for download from:
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/18/Images/
The Fedora 18 for ARM release includes pre-built images for Versatile Express
(QEMU),
Trimslice (Tegra), Pandaboard (OMAP
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 29.01.2013 00:50, schrieb Kay Sievers:
>> It is completely wrong to ever do that and to restart udev or other
>> essential sevices from packages. No package besides udev itself is
>> allowed to do restart these services
>
> and not onl
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius
> wrote:
> > I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these
> issues.
> >
> > In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the "give users a
> choice
> > on DEs" attempts
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>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Daniel J Walsh" To: "Development discussions
>> related to Fedora" Sent: Friday, February
>> 1, 2013 10:09:27 AM Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: High Availa
perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On i386:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-6.fc19.i686 requires libstlport_gcc.so
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Hi,
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:01:49 +0800
Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > Sigh, let me try again: The Fedora project is pushing away Fedora
> > users from Fedora, because Fedora/RH have missed that it's "new
> > DE" (Gnome3) is addressing a differ
Quoting Stephen Gallagher (2013-02-04 16:26:40)
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> On Mon 04 Feb 2013 04:56:23 AM EST, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> > Now that I have your attention...
> >
> > Fedora Maven package is currently a mix of upstream release and our changes
> > that
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> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:27:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop
>
> On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
> > On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
>>
>> On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>>
>>> Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
>>> difficulties to not get laughed at. "Freaks'/nerds' distro", "Ubuntu
>
On Monday 04 February 2013 22:37:45 David Malcolm wrote:
> Content-addressed storage: they're named by SHA-1 sum of their contents,
> similar to how git does it, so if the bulk of the files don't change,
> they have the same SHA-1 sum and are only stored once. See e.g.:
> http://fedorapeople.org/~
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
> On 2013-02-04, 19:52 GMT, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > It's an outdated article and not much relevant to the current
> > discussion (you see, it says "the Symphony repository"...).
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > The Symphony code is like everything else in
> >
> >Good people walk balanced step towards the goal. Others, without
> >knowing, dance around them contemporary dances. (Franz Kafka)
> >
> >I wouldn't be worried that Fedora is not cool. Actually, thinking about
> >it, that's the best part of Fedora.
>
> Absolutely d'accord ... But why have th
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> You never heard sentences like:
> * "What you can cope with Fedora? Is the GUI still this unusable beta crap?"
> I did (Usually from Ubuntu users), and am not happy having to hear this.
You never heard Ubuntu users pondering a switch t
On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
difficulties to not get laughed at. "Freaks'/nerds' distro", "Ubuntu
is much easier", "Fedora lacks s much", "Way too unstable", "Way
too s
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned
> when Ubuntu showed up, then?
The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is about the
same size as the Fedora user base. (That was about two year
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907797
Bug ID: 907797
Summary: perl-Pod-Parser-1.60 is available
Product: Fedora
Version: rawhide
Component: perl-Pod-Parser
Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
Severi
On 02/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Absolutely no.
My points are:
* The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it
onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora community.
* Gnome3 is (ab
On 02/05/2013 07:40 AM, Michael Scherer wrote:
Le mardi 05 février 2013 à 06:43 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit :
I think you are putting too much emphasize on "first-timers" and seem to
be forgetting the "Linux distro switcher-users". For them, easily
finding the DE they know from their so-far u
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On 05/02/13 10:19, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>>> , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing
>>> exactly what I suggest (making
On 2013-02-04, 19:52 GMT, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> It's an outdated article and not much relevant to the current
> discussion (you see, it says "the Symphony repository"...).
>
> [...]
>
> The Symphony code is like everything else in this respect: all
> Symphony code that OpenOffice will choose
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having
> difficulties to not get laughed at. "Freaks'/nerds' distro", "Ubuntu
> is much easier", "Fedora lacks s much", "Way too unstable", "Way
> too short life-cycles" are the usual an
Am Montag, den 04.02.2013, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Michael Stahl:
> how exactly does LibreOffice "depend" on OpenOffice, and what do you
> mean by "OpenOffice" in this context?
As I understood the discussion at Linux Day last year the LibreOffice
rebase is not only about changing Licence headers but s
> Actually, the feedback I got at FOSDEM was to focus on packaging trunk for
> the time being.
>
> But indeed, the biggest effort is on packaging in a way that it is
> satisfactory for everybody, and for this first step it doesn't really make
> a technical difference whether we use 3.4.1, a recent
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Absolutely no.
>
> My points are:
>
> * The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it
> onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora community.
>
> * Gnome3 is (ab-) using Fedora as Gnome3 test-be
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On 05/02/13 11:45, drago01 wrote:
> For the "new users":
>
> There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't
> want to mess up with packages). We do not ship stuff that some user
> want to use (by design or for legal reasons).
>
> F
On 02/05/2013 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofl
On 02/05/2013 08:09 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues.
In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the "give users a choice
on DEs" attempts are part of an attempt to esca
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