Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 08:09 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues. In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the give users a choice on DEs attempts are part of

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 08:45 AM, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 02/05/2013 07:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 07:19 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Grigory Shipunov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/13 11:45, drago01 wrote: For the new users: There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want to mess up with packages). We do not ship stuff that some user want to use (by design or for legal reasons). For the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Absolutely no. My points are: * The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora community. * Gnome3 is (ab-) using Fedora as

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-05 Thread James Hogarth
Actually, the feedback I got at FOSDEM was to focus on packaging trunk for the time being. But indeed, the biggest effort is on packaging in a way that it is satisfactory for everybody, and for this first step it doesn't really make a technical difference whether we use 3.4.1, a recent 4.0

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-05 Thread Peter Boy
Am Montag, den 04.02.2013, 13:34 +0100 schrieb Michael Stahl: how exactly does LibreOffice depend on OpenOffice, and what do you mean by OpenOffice in this context? As I understood the discussion at Linux Day last year the LibreOffice rebase is not only about changing Licence headers but

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro, Ubuntu is much easier, Fedora lacks s much, Way too unstable, Way too short life-cycles are the usual answers. Good

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-05 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-02-04, 19:52 GMT, Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's an outdated article and not much relevant to the current discussion (you see, it says the Symphony repository...). [...] The Symphony code is like everything else in this respect: all Symphony code that OpenOffice will choose to use

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Grigory Shipunov
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/13 10:19, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/05/2013 05:51 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing exactly what I suggest (making people

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 07:40 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: Le mardi 05 février 2013 à 06:43 +0100, Ralf Corsepius a écrit : I think you are putting too much emphasize on first-timers and seem to be forgetting the Linux distro switcher-users. For them, easily finding the DE they know from their so-far used

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 09:24 AM, Jef Spaleta wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Absolutely no. My points are: * The Gnome3-suite will never fit everybody, i.e. trying to push/force it onto all users will never work and is not helpful to the Fedora

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned when Ubuntu showed up, then? The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is about the same size as the Fedora user base. (That was about two years

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro, Ubuntu is much easier, Fedora lacks s much, Way too unstable, Way too short

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You never heard sentences like: * What you can cope with Fedora? Is the GUI still this unusable beta crap? I did (Usually from Ubuntu users), and am not happy having to hear this. You never heard Ubuntu users pondering a switch to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Kévin Raymond
Good people walk balanced step towards the goal. Others, without knowing, dance around them contemporary dances. (Franz Kafka) I wouldn't be worried that Fedora is not cool. Actually, thinking about it, that's the best part of Fedora. Absolutely d'accord ... But why have this kool

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-05 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Matej Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: On 2013-02-04, 19:52 GMT, Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's an outdated article and not much relevant to the current discussion (you see, it says the Symphony repository...). [...] The Symphony code is like everything else

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-05 Thread Kamil Dudka
On Monday 04 February 2013 22:37:45 David Malcolm wrote: Content-addressed storage: they're named by SHA-1 sum of their contents, similar to how git does it, so if the bulk of the files don't change, they have the same SHA-1 sum and are only stored once. See e.g.:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Reality is, when mentioning Fedora to Linux users, I am having difficulties to not get laughed at. Freaks'/nerds' distro,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - From: Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:27:35 PM Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop On 02/05/2013 10:06 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2013-02-05, 06:19 GMT, Ralf

Re: Mass changing 500 packages BR:maven to BR:maven-local - TOMORROW(ish)

2013-02-05 Thread Stanislav Ochotnicky
Quoting Stephen Gallagher (2013-02-04 16:26:40) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon 04 Feb 2013 04:56:23 AM EST, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: Now that I have your attention... Fedora Maven package is currently a mix of upstream release and our changes that we need

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Stijn Hoop
Hi, On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 19:01:49 +0800 Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Sigh, let me try again: The Fedora project is pushing away Fedora users from Fedora, because Fedora/RH have missed that it's new DE (Gnome3) is

Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2013-02-05 Thread buildsys
perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On i386: perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-6.fc19.i686 requires libstlport_gcc.so Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: High Availability Container Resources

2013-02-05 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/01/2013 03:55 PM, David Vossel wrote: - Original Message - From: Daniel J Walsh dwa...@redhat.com To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, February 1, 2013 10:09:27 AM Subject: Re:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: I disagree. Fedora's lack of popularity is largely thanks to these issues. In this context, I feel the Cinnamon request rsp. the give users a

Re: how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-02-05 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.01.2013 00:50, schrieb Kay Sievers: It is completely wrong to ever do that and to restart udev or other essential sevices from packages. No package besides udev itself is allowed to do restart these services

Fedora 18 for ARM Available Now!

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Whalen
The Fedora ARM team is pleased to announce that Fedora 18 for ARM is now available for download from: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora-secondary/releases/18/Images/ The Fedora 18 for ARM release includes pre-built images for Versatile Express (QEMU), Trimslice (Tegra), Pandaboard

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 04.02.2013 18:35, schrieb Miroslav Suchý: On 01/25/2013 12:12 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: So, you can ignore all of that, but then you have to think about what you actually accomplished by your upgrade? You updated a couple of libraries, and maybe managed to restart a few processes

the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
the whole discussion abiut offline updates and why yum is not so good for dist-upgrades is from the wrong point of view, most of the problems are only existing because with each release working things are mangeled actual example: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907749

[perl-OpenOffice-UNO] Try to avoid having tests running in parallel

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 02160656b8e794e2124eb9ce4e0e354ad3683d8b Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 15:06:01 2013 + Try to avoid having tests running in parallel perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec |4 +++- 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git

File Pod-Parser-1.60.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Pod-Parser: 5f8432f03c121b403e97107bb673885a Pod-Parser-1.60.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

libtasn1 soname bump in rawhide

2013-02-05 Thread Tomas Mraz
I'm rebasing libtasn1 in rawhide to libtasn1-3.2. As there is some obsolete API dropped it is accompanied with SONAME bump from libtasn1.so.3 to libtasn1.so.6. I will try to rebuild the dependencies. Regards, -- Tomas Mraz No matter how far down the wrong road you've gone, turn back.

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 13:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: and at the end of the road we will be on the windows way you touched anything on the system and so please reboot now That's not true - no engineer involved in operating systems development wants that. However: 1) Modern Windows requires

Re: #5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors

2013-02-05 Thread Fedora Release Engineering
#5467: 2 Packages missing from mirrors --+--- Reporter: limb | Owner: rel-eng@… Type: task | Status: closed Milestone: Fedora 19 Alpha | Component: koji Resolution: fixed| Keywords:

[Bug 907797] perl-Pod-Parser-1.60 is available

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907797 Bug 907797 depends on bug 907550, which changed state. Bug 907550 Summary: Review Request: perl-Pod-Usage - Print a usage message from embedded pod documentation https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907550

[perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest] Use shipped Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007)

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 90c4cb80d8449be441e79cba3b4e167603fad58e Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 15:40:00 2013 + Use shipped Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007) perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest.spec | 13 +++-- 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 6

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 10:30:50AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: 2) Modern Windows updates are safer than RPM, speaking broadly That is more a QA related topic. On Fedora 17 I have several times the expirience, that an update didn't worked well due the existence of broken dependencies. Best

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Jochen Schmitt
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 01:21:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: the whole discussion abiut offline updates and why yum is not so good for dist-upgrades is from the wrong point of view, most of the problems are only existing because with each release working things are mangeled Odd question,

[perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests] Use included Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007)

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 24ee883300a32a9208284c5e7bbb1ba8bfe6e3eb Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 15:58:36 2013 + Use included Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007) perl-Module-Install-ExtraTests.spec | 10 +- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5

[perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest] Created tag perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest-0.003-4.fc19

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Module-Install-AutoManifest-0.003-4.fc19' was created pointing to: 90c4cb8... Use shipped Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycle -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.02.2013 16:49, schrieb Jochen Schmitt: On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 10:30:50AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote: 2) Modern Windows updates are safer than RPM, speaking broadly jokingly? show me a upgrade of production machines from F9 to F17 without end in a inconsistent system on windows - you

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.02.2013 16:58, schrieb Jochen Schmitt: the same for updates of services: nothing would happen on a webserver with httpd if it would not be restarted at package-update which goes wrong if you are using PHP and packages of the dep-tree are not yet all updated which fails PHP to load,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: This patchset means that there's a /dev/hwrng available in the guest, so you still need to run something like rngd to mix that into the kernel's entropy pool. Speaking of, why is it a thing that we need a separate userspace daemon to dump data

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Justin M. Forbes
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 11:27:10PM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 16:34:18 +0100 Jan Kratochvil wrote: Still I believe it is probably true as I doubt Fedora QA tests compatibility with old hosts. Fedora QA AFAIK tests on their own hardware only + virtual machines. I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:18 +0100, Michael Schroeder wrote: On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 08:51:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: That would be the SUSE that along with Mandriva got completely panned when Ubuntu showed up, then? The last numbers I had showed that the openSUSE user base is about

[perl-XML-SAX-Writer] Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps (#906007)

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit b220aa08f8f4d564f70d052ec9adb2d06c48bce3 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 16:19:19 2013 + Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps (#906007) perl-XML-SAX-Writer.spec | 20 +++- 1 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 13

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 08:54 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: On 02/04/2013 10:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: https://ohjeezlinux.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/fedup-a-little-background/ ... kinda. That's the best that I know of. It lacks in details how I can put hook in upgrade.pre and

[perl-Module-Install-Repository] Created tag perl-Module-Install-Repository-0.06-4.fc19

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-Module-Install-Repository-0.06-4.fc19' was created pointing to: ce31946... Use included Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycl -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

[perl-XML-SAX-Writer] Created tag perl-XML-SAX-Writer-0.53-3.fc19

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-XML-SAX-Writer-0.53-3.fc19' was created pointing to: b220aa0... Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

udisks in rawhide

2013-02-05 Thread Tomas Bzatek
FYI, the old-generation udisks package has been made orphan in rawhide, nothing should be really using it nowadays. There's udisks2 (with incompatible API) as a supported method for handling storage. Is anybody still using udisks, the first generation? I see a few from quick repoquery check.

Re: [perl-XML-SAX-Writer] Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps (#906007)

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
On 05/02/13 16:38, Petr Pisar wrote: On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 04:19:56PM +, Paul Howarth wrote: commit b220aa08f8f4d564f70d052ec9adb2d06c48bc Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 16:19:19 2013 + Always use included Module::Install to avoid circular build deps

Re: Static Analysis: some UI ideas

2013-02-05 Thread David Malcolm
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 13:02 +0100, Kamil Dudka wrote: On Monday 04 February 2013 22:37:45 David Malcolm wrote: Content-addressed storage: they're named by SHA-1 sum of their contents, similar to how git does it, so if the bulk of the files don't change, they have the same SHA-1 sum and are

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/04/2013 09:49 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: The user should also be informed that the choice is not final, and the DE can be switched after the installation via package manager. Does the current webpage indicate this somewhere? I could not see it. What's worse is that it's harder than it

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. It certainly is. Every login manager offers that option Rahul -- devel mailing list

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: it would make MUCH more sense and if you are there and have removed the condrestart-crap from all of the SPEC-files you are in a position to make a global setting not restart any service which is what i want in case of a

[Bug 907775] overload arg '+0' is invalid at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/Message/Field.pm line 29.

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907775 --- Comment #1 from Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com --- Pretty sure this is fixed in the update I just pushed a few days ago: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-1833/perl-Mail-Box-2.107-1.fc18 Please test

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Dracut HostOnly

2013-02-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:34:40 +0100 Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com wrote: The rescue initramfs carries just more kernel drivers to cope with different HW and will also have more debug tools, if you really really screwed up your real root. Nothing security fancy here, besides that you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Tom Hughes
On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote: What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I am not sure what is the recommended method nowadays--- groupinstall KDE + groupremove Gnome? but this can't be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: MATE Desktop 1.6

2013-02-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
One additional question on the feature... from the feature page: Fedora 16/17/18 are already running MATE Desktop 1.5.5 which is the development release of 1.6 Is there a reason for a development release being pushed to stable releases?

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: QXL/Spice KMS Driver

2013-02-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Thursday 31 of January 2013 09:19:56 Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:12:28 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I thought the feature deadline was yesterday; are we on late features now? The deadline was yesterday to have your feature submitted. Yep, the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Simplify Java/Maven Packaging using XMvn

2013-02-05 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 28 of January 2013 09:51:42 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/XMvn = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XMvn Feature has been moved by maintainer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Simplified_Maven_Packaging to have more descriptive URL. Jaroslav Feature owner(s):

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: PreUpgrade Assistant

2013-02-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Additionally, what about adding 'postupgrade' hooks or assistance? Ie, after a fedup upgrade you could run and note to users packages which are orphaned and could be removed, etc kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Static Analysis: firehose-devel mailing list

2013-02-05 Thread David Malcolm
There's been some interest in using the proposed static analysis results format (Firehose) from the Debian side of the house so I've gone ahead and created: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/firehose-devel as a mailing list for discussion of the format, importers, etc. Dave --

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.02.2013 18:02, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: Hi On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: it would make MUCH more sense and if you are there and have removed the condrestart-crap from all of the SPEC-files you are in a position to make a global setting

Re: how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-02-05 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Ter, 2013-02-05 at 06:42 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 17:59 +, Sérgio Basto wrote: On Ter, 2013-01-29 at 01:52 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Yes, even then. udev will notice rules dropped there. OK I will test that I just test it and doesn't assign USB

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
HI On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote: Currently, the recommendation is to use systemd macros which essentially makes this a global setting. I am not sure why you are not in favor of that because %posttrans test -f

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:17 +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 05/02/13 16:58, Przemek Klosowski wrote: What's worse is that it's harder than it used to be to change the desktop---desktop style is no longer a login-time selection. In fact, I am not sure what is the recommended method nowadays---

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Rave it
There is a current poll at fedora forum. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463 The winner is... Wolfgang -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 05.02.2013 19:49, schrieb Rave it: There is a current poll at fedora forum. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463 pff look at the total count 56 users said they use GNOME3 so what.. and even if the count would be larger, it says nothing about how satisfied they

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-05 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:11 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: This patchset means that there's a /dev/hwrng available in the guest, so you still need to run something like rngd to mix that into the kernel's entropy pool. Speaking of, why is it

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-02-05 20:06, Reindl Harald wrote: [cut] what makes me rellay angry (as one who never used and will use GNOME and i knew GNOME 1.0 and KDE 1.0 as well where most users of today not heard about linux at all) is that the GNOME developers did NOT learn ANYTHING by the KDE4.0 disaster and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ian Malone
On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot the criterias). Gnome has been the default, unless I'm misremebering since

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing one ot the criterias). Gnome has been the

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from some alternatives (their ability

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-02-06)

2013-02-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #896 Refine Feature process

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs. Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE, Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment are back. Gnome 3 is still Gnome. Both MATE and Cinnamon which came years after

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/05/2013 09:31 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 5 February 2013 20:10, Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Fedora follows blindly but rather chooses an upstream from some alternatives (their ability to handle feedback from us beeing

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Ben Rosser
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.orgwrote: On 05/02/13 12:09 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: In the Gnome2 days you had choices between functionally similar DEs. Times have changed ... Gnome has been forked multiply (Gnome3, MATE, Cinammon), xfce/enlightenment

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: firewalld Lockdown

2013-02-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:51:49PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: This feature adds a simple configuration setting for firewalld to be able to lock down configuration changes from local applications. == Detailed description == Local applications are able to change the firewall configuration.

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-05 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jochen Schmitt writes: On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 01:21:23PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: nothing would happen on a webserver with httpd if it would not be restarted at package-update which goes wrong if you are using PHP and packages of the dep-tree are not yet all updated which fails PHP to

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-05 Thread Rave it
Message: 10 Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:21:03 -0800 From: Luya Tshimbalanga l...@fedoraproject.org To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop Message-ID: 511177bf.1020...@fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: firewalld Lockdown

2013-02-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:20 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:51:49PM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: This feature adds a simple configuration setting for firewalld to be able to lock down configuration changes from local applications. == Detailed description ==

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: libkkc - a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library

2013-02-05 Thread Daiki Ueno
Daiki Ueno u...@fedoraproject.org writes: Thanks for testing. Well, when I drafted the feature page, I didn't plan to change the default without hearing the opinions from actual users of sentence-based Japanese input. But it might be good to start with a wider scope and fallback to

Re: Reproposed F19 Feature: Fix Network Name Resolution [Was: DualstackNetworking]

2013-02-05 Thread Nick Jones
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Miloslav Trmač m...@volny.cz wrote: Hello, just a minor point, not getting into the wider should getaddrinfo() be the primary interface debate... On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Nick Jones nick.fa.jo...@gmail.com wrote: As a quick summary: I would suggest,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-05 Thread David Tardon
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 02:36:36AM +0100, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:31 AM, David Tardon wrote: On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: $ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 362 Dec 6

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-02-05 Thread Scott Schmit
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 03:03:08PM +0100, Kay Sievers wrote: On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: Current: em1 - enp2s0 That is expected, and actually the right thing to do. Udev cannot apply such it looks like it is embedded heuristics for very practical technical

[Bug 907464] cpanm bundle lots of library and is not listed on fesco page

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907464 --- Comment #3 from Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com --- Filed as: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/250 I wonder if the wiki is checked by security team for possible CVEs. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are

[Bug 907775] New: overload arg '+0' is invalid at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/Message/Field.pm line 29.

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907775 Bug ID: 907775 Summary: overload arg '+0' is invalid at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/Message/Field.pm line 29. Product: Fedora Version: 18

[Bug 907775] overload arg '+0' is invalid at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Mail/Message/Field.pm line 29.

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907775 Robert Binkhorst rbink...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Comment #0 is|1 |0

File GStreamer-0.18.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-GStreamer: 7ac748677f00d1fd966b09e10448cff6 GStreamer-0.18.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-GStreamer] 0.18 bump

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 063537c073c6308544d6260b324aa75ccd6fefb3 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 5 11:04:41 2013 +0100 0.18 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-GStreamer.spec | 24 sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 18 insertions(+), 9

[Bug 907382] perl-GStreamer-0.18 is available

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907382 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED

[Bug 907704] Use the plain `perl` command instead of the `%{_perl}` macro in generated specfiles

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907704 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

[Bug 907797] perl-Pod-Parser-1.60 is available

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907797 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||907546 --

[Bug 907797] perl-Pod-Parser-1.60 is available

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907797 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Depends On||907550 --

[Bug 907704] Use the plain `perl` command instead of the `%{_perl}` macro in generated specfiles

2013-02-05 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907704 Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de changed: What|Removed |Added CC|

File Pod-Usage-1.60.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Pod-Usage: 71b2e69a2334d6fbedc835eea0d9b1e1 Pod-Usage-1.60.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Pod-Usage] Import

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit fb1fd3cb4e12bcc423a4c3505cada625a391c258 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 5 15:40:47 2013 +0100 Import .gitignore |1 + perl-Pod-Usage.spec | 73 +++ sources |1 + 3 files changed, 75

[perl-Pod-Usage] Clean-up requested by review

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c1e3bda7d28ae04023494f30814a7fd4672f0c1b Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 5 15:41:23 2013 +0100 Clean-up requested by review perl-Pod-Usage.spec |1 - 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Pod-Usage.spec b/perl-Pod-Usage.spec

[perl-Pod-Parser] 1.60 bump

2013-02-05 Thread Petr Pisar
commit c832df027bfc9a63e7c79a29cc5803d8d5a93cda Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 5 16:15:40 2013 +0100 1.60 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Pod-Parser.spec | 87 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed,

[perl-Module-ScanDeps] Revert to using bundled Module::Install

2013-02-05 Thread Paul Howarth
commit a7172818a77bf77a3c14be93022ac0bcc4d37380 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 5 15:15:32 2013 + Revert to using bundled Module::Install - Revert to using bundled Module::Install to avoid build dependency cycles (#906007 perl-Module-ScanDeps.spec |

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