Re: [Heads up] Fedora Container base image is getting smaller

2019-07-23 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Happy to help! On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 08:13 Clement Verna wrote: > Hi all, > > The Container SIG has been busy in the last few weeks working on > getting the Fedora container base image smaller (It was growing over > 300MB). While a few minor changes [0-1] have recently landed in the > fedora:lat

Re: Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre-Yves Chibon: > Good Morning Everyone, > > TL;DR: On July 24th we will turn on the first phase of Rawhide package gating, > for single build updates. How does this interact with the mass rebuild? Will Fedora 31 release with an unrebuilt package if gating fails? Thanks, Florian _

[Heads up] Fedora Container base image is getting smaller

2019-07-23 Thread Clement Verna
Hi all, The Container SIG has been busy in the last few weeks working on getting the Fedora container base image smaller (It was growing over 300MB). While a few minor changes [0-1] have recently landed in the fedora:latest and fedora:rawhide images. Last couple days a bigger change [2] have been

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Frank R Dana Jr.
> Le mar. 23 juil. 2019 à 08:30, Igor Gnatenko > > * Define new architecture in RPM/libsolv (let's call it "haswell" or >> "x86_64modern") > x86_64avx2 ? or even avx2 ? SOMETHING, though. I can't be the only one here old enough to remember when Linux packages came in .i386, .i486, .i586, and then

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Thomas Daede
On 7/23/19 7:52 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > In the interest of a productive discussion, could we maybe focus on what > the benefits are, both of changing the baseline in general and of > enabling any particular features? As someone whose software heavily depends on SSE and AVX2 assembly code

[389-devel] 389 DS nightly 2019-07-24 - 95% PASS

2019-07-23 Thread vashirov
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/389ds/ci/nightly/2019/07/24/report-389-ds-base-1.4.1.6-20190723git9ea5b9b.fc30.x86_64.html ___ 389-devel mailing list -- 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to 389-devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.

Request to take ownership of gimp-resynthetizer

2019-07-23 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Following the bug report[1], I would like to take ownership of gimp-resynthetizer because of its use on Fedora Design Suite Labs. Would it be possible to orphan that package? Reference -- [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1674969 Luya

Re: portable performance engineering (was: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update)

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dave Love wrote: > they'd be rather limited by the compiler options we're supposed to use, > that don't include vectorization, so you don't even get the benefit you > could from SSE2. (I've been told off in review for turning that on, > though an FPC member has approved it.) Why don't we enable -

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > Features like SSE2: enabling SSE2 as the basic floating point mechanism > changes the ABI drastically. But x86_64 already requires SSE2, so this is > irrelevant. For what it's worth, only the x86_64 ABI actually makes use of this. For i686 (32-bit), even when Fedora mo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 7:14 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > The problem with that is getting someone to do the work. The whole > > reason that the i686 kernel was retired was due to people not stepping > > up to do the maintenance of the kernel, and the kernel alone. Having >

Re: are the ppc64le builders healthy?

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/23/19 11:36 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> "KK" == Kaleb Keithley writes: > > KK> I built the latest ceph-14 (14.2.2) on rawhide successfully two days > KK> ago. Two different builds on f30 built or are building fine on > KK> x86_64, i686, and aarch64, but failed with different erro

Nonreponsive maintainer check for moezroy (system-config-users)

2019-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1732635 Anyone knows how to contact Moez? -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorap

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: > The problem with that is getting someone to do the work. The whole > reason that the i686 kernel was retired was due to people not stepping > up to do the maintenance of the kernel, and the kernel alone. Having > been one of the few people in the community that's been involv

Re: Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/07/2019 21:51, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: When you run `fedpkg build` on Rawhide, your package will be built in a new koji tag (which will be the default target for Rawhide). The package will be picked up from this koji tag, signed and moved onto a second tag. Bodhi will be notified by koji

Re: Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:51:28PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > TL;DR: On July 24th we will turn on the first phase of Rawhide package gating, This is very exciting! I suppose I'll not jinx things by congratulating too soon, but this is great work and huge news. -- Matthew Miller Fedora

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 09:50:17PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > I would suggest that there is this nebulous thing called "the cloud" > > that mitigates a small part of that, but I also fully understand using > > that magical machine resource presents its own challenges. > As the FSF puts it: "The

Rolling out Phase I of rawhide package gating

2019-07-23 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
Good Morning Everyone, TL;DR: On July 24th we will turn on the first phase of Rawhide package gating, for single build updates. In a later phase, Rawhide updates that contain multiple builds will also be enabled for gating. Our goal is to improve our ability to continuously turn out a useful Fedor

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 09:32 +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > I'd suggest we do what we do all over the place: carry patches as > > necessary. It sucks, and rebasing is non-trivial work, but I would argue > > it's not nearly as much work as rebuilding everything from scratch. > > That's like f

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Nicolas Mailhot via devel [23/07/2019 11:51] : > > That is not true. Search the list archive for Michael Zhang’s questions on > how to get Open Liberty in Fedora. About 4 months later, can anyone do a dnf > install open liberty, pointing to a Fedora repo? No but that's probably because he got se

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Igor Gnatenko wrote: > From what I saw, openblas does not do any runtime detection. You > either compile it with avx2 or not. And in runtime it will check > whether it was enabled during compilation and use some kind of > fallback. If built with the DYNAMIC_ARCH option, which is the case in the Fe

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:48 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > What "wider aspects" would you want to consider? What implications other > than technical matter for a technical decision such as this one? > This is much larger than a technical decision. There are big impacts, as we've seen, on who can use

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Josh Boyer wrote: > I would suggest that there is this nebulous thing called "the cloud" > that mitigates a small part of that, but I also fully understand using > that magical machine resource presents its own challenges. As the FSF puts it: "There is no cloud, just other people's computers."

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Josh Boyer wrote: > I think too often we focus on the technical implications (performance > gain, etc) and sometimes don't consider wider aspects. What "wider aspects" would you want to consider? What implications other than technical matter for a technical decision such as this one? Kev

Re: Fedora-Rawhide-20190722.n.1 compose check report

2019-07-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 04:15 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > No missing expected images. > > Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! > 24 of 47 required tests failed, 19 results missing > openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** > below > Unsatisfied

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 7/23/19 4:18 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: Also, for $DAYJOB, I run a GitLab server. If you think maintaining a GitLab server is easy, you have another think coming. For what it's worth: I'm afraid I have to agree.  I've been running Gitlab for my employer for the last 18 months.  It's *incredibly

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: AArch64 Xfce Desktop image

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/AArch64_Xfce_Desktop_image == Summary == Add an AArch64 Xfce Desktop image to deliverables in Fedora 31. == Owner == * Name: [[User:pwhalen| Paul Whalen]] * Email: pwha...@fedoraproject.org * Responsible WG: ARM SIG == Detailed Description == We currently

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 14:57 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > Also, we can't really solve the machine resources of mirrors. Well, I > > mean, I guess we *could*, but I doubt anyone in RH is going to sign off > > on us buying a ton of expensive storage hardware and shipping it off to > > random univer

REMINDER: Software string freeze is 30 July

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
The software string freeze begins 30 July. For more information, see the String Freeze Policy[1]. For more upcoming development[2] and translation[3] milestones, see the schedule site. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_String_Freeze_Policy [2] https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-3

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:37 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 13:32 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:39 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On 7/22/19 10:34 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko > > > > wrote: > > > > Thi

Re: Packages with wrong Python unversioned commands

2019-07-23 Thread Antonio Trande
On 22/07/19 12:03, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Hello Bcc'ed maintainers. Hi Miro. > sagitter ProDy autowrap future preprocess scons These packages should be okay. 'Scons' will need of an exception for Python2 > > According to the > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_means_Python3 change

Fedora 31 Mass Rebuild

2019-07-23 Thread Mohan Boddu
Hi all, Per the Fedora 31 schedule[1] we will be starting a mass rebuild for Fedora 31 tomorrow. We are doing a mass rebuild for Fedora 31 for all the changes listed in https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8555 we will start the mass rebuild on 2019-07-23 This is a heads up that it will be done in a

Re: are the ppc64le builders healthy?

2019-07-23 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "KK" == Kaleb Keithley writes: KK> I built the latest ceph-14 (14.2.2) on rawhide successfully two days KK> ago. Two different builds on f30 built or are building fine on KK> x86_64, i686, and aarch64, but failed with different errors on KK> ppc64le at different places in the build. One l

Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Göran Uddeborg
I was going to argue this would make us lose a lot of hardware and most likely a lot of our the hardware owners as users too. But I see that most of what I planned to say is already said, so I'll just add my: please, don't do this. (My sample from home and work: out of 6 Fedora hosts expected to

Re: Non-responsive maintainer: tonet666p

2019-07-23 Thread Tonet Pascualet Jallo Colquehuanca
ohhh, i'm alive, sorry, i'll repply soon ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ Lis

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 13:32 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:39 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On 7/22/19 10:34 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko > > > wrote: > > > Thinking about this even more, it should not be very hard thing to do: >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 05:11:23PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > I think I'd be more inclined to consider it if the Change was proposed > > as a new architecture bring-up. Effectively, this would be a whole new > > architecture that would just happen to be largely compatible with > > x86_64. > > Th

are the ppc64le builders healthy?

2019-07-23 Thread Kaleb Keithley
I built the latest ceph-14 (14.2.2) on rawhide successfully two days ago. Two different builds on f30 built or are building fine on x86_64, i686, and aarch64, but failed with different errors on ppc64le at different places in the build. One looks like it ran out of space in the file system. The o

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Simply reclaim disk space in Anaconda

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Anaconda_Reclaim_Disk_Space == Summary == The installer shows the Resize Disk Space dialog to reclaim disk space for the automatic partitioning in the graphical user interface. The Anaconda team would like to replace this dialog with a simple list of predefin

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:39 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On 7/22/19 10:34 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko > > wrote: > > > Thinking about this even more, it should not be very hard thing to do: > > > > * Define new architecture in RPM/libsolv (let's call

Non-responsive maintainer: tonet666p

2019-07-23 Thread Fabio Valentini
Hi everybody, Does anybody know how to contact tonet666p? One of his packageshas been broken for a while, and he doesn't respond on bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1480028 If there's no positive response within the next week, I'll open a fesco ticket in accordance with the

Re: portable performance engineering

2019-07-23 Thread Benson Muite
Tradeoffs to satisfy a wide variety of users - a base system with most common software easy to try which can then be re-installed for performance. Flatpacks should help with easy but not performance optimal installation of many packages. Spack (https://spack.io/) may be a packaging approach tha

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/22/19 10:34 PM, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko > wrote: > Thinking about this even more, it should not be very hard thing to do: > > * Define new architecture in RPM/libsolv (let's call it "haswell" or > "x86_64modern") > * Define set of capabilities it

portable performance engineering (was: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update)

2019-07-23 Thread Dave Love
I'm afraid this turned into a bit of and essay on more useful things Fedora could do for portable performance engineering, should anyone care. I actually have no interest in Fedora except as a requirement to work on packaging for research software around EPEL, specifically for HPC and so performan

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Add LLD As Update Alternatives Option For LD

2019-07-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:10, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:28 AM Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:33, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> > >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Add_LLD_As_Update_Alternatives_Option_For_LD > >> > >> > >> == Depe

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 07:52:09AM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > Things like CMPXCHG16B that change the set of things that can be done on > the CPU. I could easily imagine programs that use algorithms that > fundamentally depend on CMPXCHG16B. There is no drop-in replacement. FWIW, CMPXCH16B

Fedora Atomic Host Two Week Release Announcement: 29.20190722.0

2019-07-23 Thread noreply
A new Fedora Atomic Host update is available via an OSTree update: Version: 29.20190722.0 Commit(x86_64): 74566c9d78aeb334f497b77d85d726932ebf5b6ee6ef33594fb4ec072ac880bc Commit(aarch64): c570fbbcc753ee9c3198ddd7c6344ecb7d4b3ee456a20e309bec4ec4a811ab0e Commit(ppc64le): 41ffdaa7a8271976a8db344ec

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Gerald B. Cox
>...I think this should be retracted before it ends up being a > phoronix article making the project look bad. I 100% agree... but too late: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-31-Possible-AVX2-Require ___ devel mailing list -- d

Re: ownership of /proc and /sys

2019-07-23 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Di, 23.07.19 10:56, Adam Jackson (a...@redhat.com) wrote: > On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 11:01 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Hi, > > directories /proc/ and /sys/ are owned by filesystem package. This worked > > in past where we needed those directories to > > exist so we can mount the procfs and s

Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages

2019-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23. 07. 19 16:08, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I i

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 08:25:59AM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:05:59AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > assume. And if you ask me, we should just stick to SSE2 as the baseline. > > Ie the status quo. > > > What are the big gains to be had from SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, and

Re: ownership of /proc and /sys

2019-07-23 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 11:01 +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Hi, > directories /proc/ and /sys/ are owned by filesystem package. This worked in > past where we needed those directories to > exist so we can mount the procfs and sysfs. > > However this cause issues in containers: > https://bugzilla.r

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:52 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > 2015. See

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Add LLD As Update Alternatives Option For LD

2019-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:28 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:33, Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Add_LLD_As_Update_Alternatives_Option_For_LD >> >> >> == Dependencies == >> N/A (not a System Wide Change) >> > > I am not sure about t

Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages

2019-07-23 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto > > package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason > > is that I intend to maintain these packages as

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Marek Blaha
Hi Fellipe, if layer in your case means a particular set of repositories, then Nicolas advice with using distinct prefixes for repositories in each layer and then passing --repoid=-* to the dnf is probably most straightforward solution. If you really need a custom plugin, then there is a problem

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Jeremy Cline
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 07:18:56AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:47 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > > Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs > > > with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos > > > a

[RFC] target font model on Freedesktop systems

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Hi, Now that things are starting to move fonts-side[1], I’d like the various actors to agree on a common font model target. Without a a common target, we’ll end up working at odds with one another. Upstream font files can not serve as a an officious target. They are full of quirks, you end u

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Add LLD As Update Alternatives Option For LD

2019-07-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 09:33, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Add_LLD_As_Update_Alternatives_Option_For_LD > > > == Dependencies == > N/A (not a System Wide Change) > > I am not sure about this. We are looking at making a system-wide change of having /usr/bin/ld be a

Re: Request for write permission of menu-cache in Fedora

2019-07-23 Thread Zamir SUN
Ping for updates. I've build menu-cach 1.1.0 in Copr and already tested against LXQt. If you are not willing to grant me write permission, can you build this in EPEL directly? https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zsun/epel7/build/948489/ On 7/15/19 1:58 PM, Zamir SUN wrote: > Ping for update

Re: Request for write permission of menu-cache in Fedora

2019-07-23 Thread Zamir SUN
Ping for updates. I've build menu-cach 1.1.0 in Copr and already tested against LXQt. If you are not willing to grant me write permission, can you build this in EPEL directly? https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zsun/epel7/build/948489/ On 7/15/19 1:58 PM, Zamir SUN wrote: > Ping for update

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Add LLD As Update Alternatives Option For LD

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Add_LLD_As_Update_Alternatives_Option_For_LD == Summary == Allow users to optionally use update-alternatives to make /usr/bin/ld point to /usr/bin/lld. == Owner == * Name: [[User:tstellar| Tom Stellard]] * Email: == Detailed Description == Update the lld p

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: DeepinDE 15.11

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeepinDE_15.11 == Summary == Update the Deepin Desktop Environment to 15.11 in Fedora. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Zsun|Zamir SUN]] - main coordinator, packager * Email: zsun#AT#fedoraproject.org * [[User:cheeselee|Robin 'cheese' Lee]] - main packager * Emai

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Ship BerkleyDB backend as a module

2019-07-23 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpenLDAPwithBerkleyDBasModule == Summary == Change the ''openldap-servers'' package so that BDB and HDB backends are required to be dynamically loaded. == Owner == * Name: [[User:mhonek| Matus Honek]] * Email: mhonek (at) redhat (dot) com == Detailed Descri

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:05:59AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > assume. And if you ask me, we should just stick to SSE2 as the baseline. Ie the status quo. > What are the big gains to be had from SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, and SSE4.2? Each of those individually, and from a general system library pe

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 14:09, Stephen John Smoogen a écrit : On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 08:00, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Le 2019-07-23 12:01, Fellipe Henrique a écrit : Hi First, Thanks very much for you reply... I need to add a "global" argument so I can change the layer of a repository... For

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Fellipe Henrique
Hi Marek, Thanks again for your reply.. I already tried to use __init__ method... arguments was added without error ( I can get any message when add on optparser), but, dnf still say: unrecognized arguments I believe it's because plugin is loaded after args was passed inside dnf, so, dnf not r

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 08:08, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hello, Igor Gnatenko. > > Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:34:06 +0200 you wrote: > > > * Define new architecture in RPM/libsolv (let's call it "haswell" or > > "x86_64modern") > > I have a better idea: use modules

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 08:00, Nicolas Mailhot via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Le 2019-07-23 12:01, Fellipe Henrique a écrit : > > Hi > > > First, Thanks very much for you reply... > > > > I need to add a "global" argument so I can change the layer of a > > repository... For exa

Fedora-Rawhide-20190723.n.0 compose check report

2019-07-23 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 23 of 47 required tests failed, 19 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests: MISSING: fedora.u

Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages

2019-07-23 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. I will continue to maintain non-modular packag

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Fellipe Henrique
Thinking here about these... If I made a fork from dnf package, and put arguments inside OptionParser class, on option_parser.py... I get the "global" argument as I needed... but how can I get these argument value inside my plugin? Any idea? cheers T.·.F.·.A.·. S+F *Fellipe Henrique P. Soa

Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages

2019-07-23 Thread Mikolaj Izdebski
Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of Fedora 29-31, but star

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20190723.n.0 changes

2019-07-23 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20190722.n.1 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20190723.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 3 Added packages: 3 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 28 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 1.35 MiB Size of dropped packages

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Marek Blaha
Hi, there is no supported way how to change global arguments in DNF. However, you can try in __init__ method of your plugin do something like this: class MyPlugin(dnf.Plugin): def __init__(self, base, cli): super(MyPlugin, self).__init__(base, cli) cli.optparser.add_argument('

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Fellipe Henrique
So, Using dnf plugin, I can't do that, if I understand correctly... As I said on my last email, I have these coded using yum, like these: def init_hook(pc): '''Initial Hook that configures the repositories''' parser = pc.getOptParser() if parser: parser.add_option('', '--set-repos

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
Hello, Igor Gnatenko. Tue, 23 Jul 2019 07:34:06 +0200 you wrote: > * Define new architecture in RPM/libsolv (let's call it "haswell" or > "x86_64modern") I have a better idea: use modules to build special AVX/SSE4 enabled versions of some packages. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycodi

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:47 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs > > with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos > > authentication or SAML SSO for groups, or push rule restrictions are > >

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 12:48, Peter Robinson a écrit : On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:31 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Le 2019-07-23 07:02, drago01 a écrit : > Please just take back this change and come back at April first if it > was supposed to be a joke - if not then submit again in about 10 > ye

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Dan Horák
On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:16:45 +0200 Igor Gnatenko wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM Kevin Kofler > wrote: > > > > Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > > 1. Lower requirement to something like SSE4 and select other CPU > > > features which are available in most of CPUs for last decade. > > > > Sorry,

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 12:01, Fellipe Henrique a écrit : Hi First, Thanks very much for you reply... I need to add a "global" argument so I can change the layer of a repository... For example: $ dnf repolist --set-layer=mylayer $ dnf install -y any_repo --set-layer=mylayer On our setup we approximat

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kamil Paral
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:52 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > = Detailed Description == > > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:31 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > > Le 2019-07-23 07:02, drago01 a écrit : > > > Please just take back this change and come back at April first if it > > was supposed to be a joke - if not then submit again in about 10 > > years. > > Fedora used to have the x86 re

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > 1. Lower requirement to something like SSE4 and select other CPU > > features which are available in most of CPUs for last decade. > > Sorry, but -1 to SSE4 too. One of my machines supports only up to SSSE3, and > ot

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:09 AM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Patrik Mattsson wrote: > > I would take the lowest denominator of features for CPUs of atleast 3 > > years of age considering how long some CPUs are being used in virtualized > > environments and at a lot of different cloud-providers (I've s

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-23 Thread Fellipe Henrique
Hi Marek, First, Thanks very much for you reply... I need to add a "global" argument so I can change the layer of a repository... For example: $ dnf repolist --set-layer=mylayer $ dnf install -y any_repo --set-layer=mylayer So on my plug-in I can change layer in repository to do anything, for t

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 09:23, Mikolaj Izdebski a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Huge Red Hat investments, in the Java ecosystem, that fail to translate into an healthy Fedora Java ecosystem. To the point that when IBM wants its Java guys to join there is absol

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Tom Hughes
On 23/07/2019 10:40, Peter Robinson wrote: After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to 2015. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 CPUs with AVX2]. This is not wh

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update - why not FMV?

2019-07-23 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
On 7/22/19 9:51 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update Along with AVX2, it makes sense to enable certain other CPU features which are not strictly implied by AVX2, such as CMPXCHG16B, FMA, and earlier vector extensions such as SSE 4.2. Deta

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Peter Robinson
> > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > > 2015. See > > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 > > CPUs with AVX2]. > > This is not what I'd call a good idea

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 07:02, drago01 a écrit : Please just take back this change and come back at April first if it was supposed to be a joke - if not then submit again in about 10 years. Fedora used to have the x86 repo for old hardware, and the x86_64 repo for new hardware. Now that the tech cursor

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-23 08:32, Alexander Bokovoy a écrit : On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Keycloak is not generally Fed

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Patrik Mattsson wrote: > I would take the lowest denominator of features for CPUs of atleast 3 > years of age considering how long some CPUs are being used in virtualized > environments and at a lot of different cloud-providers (I've seen 5+ year > old CPUs in at some smaller providers). At least

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Andrey Bondarenko
Well, that would be too much. 2011-ish hardware is still in use. But there is some truth behind this, may be baseline should be about 2008? SSE 4.2 as a baseline makes more sence. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe se

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Igor Gnatenko wrote: > 1. Lower requirement to something like SSE4 and select other CPU > features which are available in most of CPUs for last decade. Sorry, but -1 to SSE4 too. One of my machines supports only up to SSSE3, and other replies in this thread have also suggested SSSE3 as the most w

ownership of /proc and /sys

2019-07-23 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Hi, directories /proc/ and /sys/ are owned by filesystem package. This worked in past where we needed those directories to exist so we can mount the procfs and sysfs. However this cause issues in containers: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1548403 and during building where hacks are n

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-23 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > As I said already, my primary worry is where we would clash our needs > with those of GitLab commercial entity. For example, Kerberos > authentication or SAML SSO for groups, or push rule restrictions are > part of commercial offering but not available in the community ed

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:44 AM Nicolas Chauvet wrote: > > Le mar. 23 juil. 2019 à 08:30, Igor Gnatenko > a écrit : > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Florian, > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:28 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > > > https://fed

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Patrik Mattsson
Hi Ben Considering there are new CPUs being sold by Intel today that doesn't even have AVX2 (point in case: Pentium Gold G5620), this sounds to me like a move that is happening way too soon. I would take the lowest denominator of features for CPUs of atleast 3 years of age considering how long

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Dan Čermák
Given the nearly only negative replies to this proposal: can we please just officially mark it as retracted/rejected and move on? P.S.: all my Fedora machines would no longer be able to run Fedora >= 32, effectively ending my involvement in this community :( Ben Cotton writes: > https://fedora

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 7/22/19 8:51 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to 2015. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advan

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