On 4/7/21 22:32, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebuginfodByDefault
== Summary ==
Fedora users / developers who need to debug/trace distro binaries can
make use of the recently activated elfutils-debuginfod servers to
automatically fetch debugging data and source code,
On 9/28/20 6:44 AM, Paul Wouters wrote:
Subject: Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved
I was just hit by the first bug in systemd-resolved 4 days after I
upgraded to fedora33. I will file a bug report for that, but I wanted
to discuss something more fundamental.
systemd
On 09/24/2016 08:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:18:53PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:32:40PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* IMHO the initial upstream default didn't make sense for Fedora
On this specific change, I'm not sure the *u
On 12/08/2014 04:45 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 12/08/2014 06:20 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> On 12/05/2014 05:43 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>> Starting the non-reponsive maintainter process for vda - Denys Vlasenko -
>>> dvlas...@redhat.com as he appears t
On 12/08/2014 04:45 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 12/08/2014 06:20 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> On 12/05/2014 05:43 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>> Starting the non-reponsive maintainter process for vda - Denys Vlasenko -
>>> dvlas...@redhat.com as he appears t
On 12/05/2014 05:43 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> Starting the non-reponsive maintainter process for vda - Denys Vlasenko -
> dvlas...@redhat.com as he appears to have completely abandoned busybox.
> Anyone know him or how to contact?
Hi. I'm here.
How can I help you?
--
deve
On 09/07/2014 12:24 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
>> However there is a wider problem here. The "systemd of Fedora 14/15"
>> is not the systemd of today.
>
> I agree 100%
>
>> We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core
>> package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can
On 07/18/2013 12:40 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 17.07.13 17:50, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>> On 07/17/2013 05:21 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: scl...@netwolves.com
>>>
>>>> This seems like such
On 07/17/2013 06:49 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 03:48 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Note that the argument comes from the same group of people
>> who pushed for mounting tmpfs on /run and /tmp.
>
> So you prefer to have a fragile boot code to e
On 07/17/2013 05:21 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
>
>> From: scl...@netwolves.com
>
>> This seems like such a specious argument. Maybe it made sense when
>> we were talking about disk drives
>> that were megabytes in size, but now we have 500 gigabyte drives
>> usually as a minimum.
>
> You d
On 07/17/2013 05:16 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 11:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
> You still have not
On 07/17/2013 03:39 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 17.07.13 14:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>>> instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually
>>> at install time or to their ks snippets.
>>
>> And this to
On 07/17/2013 03:51 PM, James Hogarth wrote:
>> I don't understand why you are on a crusade to remove stuff
>> which works, even after people conceded to your desire
>> to have binary logs.
>
> Because that is how progress happens?
Progress happens by removing stuff which works?
Interesting...
-
On 07/17/2013 03:36 PM, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 03:08:59PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Then engineer asks to run "tail /var/log/messages".
>> Customer says: "I see
>>cannot open ‘/var/log/messages’: No such file or directory
&
On 07/17/2013 03:21 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 01:08 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Engineer does not know what version of OS that server runs,
>> what is installed there and how it is configured.
>> So it needs to be investigated. Quite a typi
On 07/17/2013 03:00 PM, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> On 07/17/2013 02:45 PM, drago01 wrote:
>>>>> instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually
>>>>> at install time or to their ks snippe
On 07/17/2013 02:45 PM, drago01 wrote:
>>> instead of administrators simply adding rsyslog or syslog-ng manually
>>> at install time or to their ks snippets.
>>
>> And this too was answered several times already.
>> The machine in question may be already borked.
>> Our support people will need to f
On 07/17/2013 02:41 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 12:36 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> You guys aren't administrators who are dealing with
>> these problems every day. You don't feel the pain
>> you create for other people.
>
>
On 07/15/2013 11:53 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/15/2013 09:26 PM, Jonathan Masters wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 2013, at 5:11, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/15/2013 10:44 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
= Proposed System Wide Change: No Default Syslog =
https://fedoraproject.org/w
On 07/09/2013 05:30 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> On 07/09/2013 05:26 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Since they have #!/usr/bin/python header, build machinery
>> automatically adds python dependency.
>>
>> But I don't want this to happen - the program is very m
Hi,
A package I maintain (mc) has two rarely-used
python scripts.
Since they have #!/usr/bin/python header, build machinery
automatically adds python dependency.
But I don't want this to happen - the program is very much
usable without python too. Requiring python pulls in a top
of other stuff w
On 01/04/2013 09:40 PM, Jakub Jelinek wrote:
> Hi!
>
> As part of preparations for possible switch of system compiler in F19
> to GCC 4.8.0, we (myself and Marek Polacek) have performed a test mass
> rebuild of rawhide (December 17th package list) using gcc-4.8.0-0.1.fc19
> on x86_64, and for thos
On 03/12/2013 02:33 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote:
>
>> How many times do you boot your system each day? 10? Okay thats a
>> whole 20 additional seconds.
>
> This is way up on my list of most non-sensical arguments about building
On 03/12/2013 01:07 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson
>>> wrote:
Or nothing at all displayed unless the user
On 03/11/2013 10:48 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> (And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you
>> have to go through the OS to get into the boot loader anyway...)
>
> That's going to be real fun when the OS fails to boot, and I can't fix
> the b
On 03/11/2013 10:30 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
>>
>>> Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a
On 03/11/2013 09:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
> Chris Murphy wrote:
>> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to
>> the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably should
>> entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
>
> What if I nee
On 03/11/2013 09:45 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson
>>> wrote:
Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens t
On 03/11/2013 09:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100
> Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we should generate any message. Nothing at all. My BIOS
>> doesn't print a single line, and neither does the kernel if "quiet" is
>> used (which is the default). I really
On 03/11/2013 08:49 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 02:41 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
>> Yes, why not display the Grub menu?
>
> Because it's the year 2013. Not 1999.
>
>> Whether any text is displayed or not, there still needs to be a long
>> enough pause that the user has time to pr
On 08/29/2012 03:17 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On 08/29/2012 01:58 PM, Olaf Kirch wrote:
> Why Did You Do This?!
>
> Do we really need yet another network management thing?
> ===
...
> We've got Network
On 08/29/2012 01:58 PM, Olaf Kirch wrote:
> Your feedback is very much welcome!
>
> Regards,
> Olaf
Why Did You Do This?!
Do we really need yet another network management thing?
===
No, not really. We already have the good old
On 04/09/2012 08:22 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
On 04/09/2012 02:15 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
One suggestion I have heard is to turn the feature off if someone install
gdb like we do with DrKonji, which might be a better solution then
disabli
On 01/04/2012 10:36 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
On 01/03/2012 05:21 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
I agree, at least for non-gnome users , tracker shouldn't be in
autostart.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771601
Thank you Michal for opening a bug. I should learn from you:
less complai
On 01/03/2012 02:57 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
Just a comment on the accuracy of the numbers.
# ps_mem.py¹ | grep tracker
3.2 MiB + 730.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB tracker-miner-fs
3.9 MiB + 722.5 KiB = 4.6 MiB tracker-miner-flickr
5.5 MiB + 549.0 KiB = 6.0 MiB tracker-store
I installed F16 on a new machine, trying to keep the installation
more or less lean. Meaning - not installing tons of packages w/o
thinking and ending up with tons of installed stuff I don't even know
what it is.
Today, I'm looking at my process list, sorted by amount of dirtied pages
(which very
On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 09:31 +1100, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 14:33 +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > You won't be able to convince Gnome3 zealots.
>
> That's a bit harsh, I think. They are just very impressionable folk. :-)
>
> > Believe me, a
On Sat, 2011-11-05 at 13:40 +, Bojan Smojver wrote:
> w googlemail.com>
> writes:
>
> > Yet look at all the happy users of
> default Gnome 3!
> > I am one of them and I went directly
> from the tilling-WM Xmonad to gnome
> > 3! So you can't say it's only for
> absolute noobs :). I install
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 18:15 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:21 PM, JB wrote:
> > I have done some inventory on this topic, and have some questions.
> I'm not really an expert on this... Hopefully someone will correct my
> mistakes.
>
> > Why do you need Trusted Boot mech
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 14:06 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
> meeting today at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
> irc.freenode.net.
>
> Links to all tickets below can be found at:
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/repor
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 12:53 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> daemontools can be set up in a way than most init scripts are
> > no longer necessary. It also achieves parallelized start.
>
> This is bogus.
Amazingly deep argument. Can you do better than this?
> > > > > Hmm? systemd is an init s
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 13:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 14.06.11 12:36, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:35 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On 6/13/11 12:18 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>
> > Sloppy attitude like this is the reason just about any daemon
> > (more and more of which pop up like mushrooms in every new release,
> > I must add) eats at leas
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:31 +0100, "Andy Green (林安廸)" wrote:
> >> Dude, systemd requires the functionality of the three modules it loads
> >> explicitly.
> >
> > systemd requires ipv6.
> > And you pitch systemd to be used by embedded devices.
> >
> > Do you really think all embedded devices will be
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:20 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 22:46, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > Slide 6:
> > "We can now boot a system shell-free"
> >
> > IOW: shell is bad, my new shiny toy is good.
>
> Oh god
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 09:42 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 18:01, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > Maybe. It's not up to a piece of software to decide.
> > In Unix, admins should have power to decide, not programs.
> > Programs pro
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 21:44 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > I wouldn't bother much if it would be just one tiny bit of strange code
> > in systemd, but it is FAR from being the only such code. There are lots
> > of similar stuff, and it's not accidental.
>
> It is definitely not accidental, but unles
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 13:30 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > > What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot time?
> >
> > The problem with having specific hostname I had is when I boot many
> > dozens of diskless machines off the very same network filesystem,
> > I definitely DONT w
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 12:37 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 18:01 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > > We invoke sethostname() from inside systemd since that is one of the
> > > most trivial system calls known to men and doing this with a
> > separate
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 23:39 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer:
> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald
> > wrote:
> >> PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum
> >> NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before
> >>
> >> * the system
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > Hi Lennart,
> >
> > systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process
> > I ever played with.
> >
> > Granted, systemd does a bi
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 17:29 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 15:27, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > kmod_setup(); <=== ???
>
> We load a couple of kernel modules which systemd needs, and are
> sometimes compiled
Hi Lennart,
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 10:15 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Fri, 10.06.11 15:07, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > I understand your desire to replace everything by systemd.
>
> I have no such desire.
What is this then?
int main(int a
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> > On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> >> systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the
> >> signal, dumps core and freezes, but does not exit.
> >>
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:36 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote:
> > Why does systemd link against libpam?
> > systemd does logins now, not /bin/login or gdm or ...?
>
> to implement PAMName= (man systemd.exec)
I don't see any users of this feature on my F15.
I searched with Google and come up empty too.
Hi Lennart,
systemd is eating a lot more memory than any other init process
I ever played with.
Granted, systemd does a bit more that "typical" init, but I think
using *eleven plus megabytes* of malloced space is a bit much.
systemctl --all shows 258 units total on my machine,
thus systemd uses
On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made some noises on IRC about people upgrading to F15 (like myself)
> who would all come across the same surprises and would have to find a
> way to work around them. I suggested it might help to publish
> something like release n
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 10:53 +, Leigh Scott wrote:
> IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps
> to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond
> to the "needinfo" request).
You can do it even sooner. If backtrace is unusable and there is no
On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 17:02 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:59:27PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > I just wanted to say thanks to the guys who integrated ABRT into F12.
> > It has rough edges and I know it needs improvement, but I have filed
> > more 'bugs' than i
On Mon, 2010-01-18 at 09:06 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
> On 01/17/2010 06:49 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote:
> >> Someone else asked this earlier - but why do users need the debug-info
> >> packages - only the debugger looking at the tracebacks needs this. So
> >> seems installing the debug files on e
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