Re: Koji notifications arriving days late

2021-12-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 10:58, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 12:19:17PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > It seems that there is some kind of bottleneck somewhere, because the > > delay often gets progressively worse if there are lots of > > notifications in a short period of tim

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 13:58, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 1:31 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 02:27:04AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 03:17:42PM +, Tom Hughes via devel wrote: > > > > At this point someb

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 21:20, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:51:44AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > F36 but needs to be worked through the proper channels of 'upstream'. Get > > the FHS updated and fixed, work out that the change actually is g

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 16:16, Michel Alexandre Salim < sali...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 10:51:44AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > Also please realise that the community can eat only so many changes per > > release no matter how much you w

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 13:51, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/29/21 09:59, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > The modern day case where /usr is read-only is inside a container and > > you put an overlay or using some sort of linking to /var which is > > read-write in case of

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 12:49, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/29/21 07:26, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 29/12/2021 16:01, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> Currently, the RPM databases is located in `/var`. Let's move it to > >> `/usr`. The move is already under way in rpm-ostree-based > >> installa

Re: F36 Change: Relocate RPM database to /usr (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 10:19, Tom Hughes via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > I don't see how this is FHS compliant, which in turn would make > it non-compliant with Fedora Packaging Guidelines, namely: > > I am in agreement here and think that this is NOT a change to be made in F3

Re: The great Mailman 3 / Hyperkitty upgrade: bumping flufl-lock and mistune?

2021-12-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 23:32, Reon Beon via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Update? > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8455 I am going to be overly blunt here. Messages like this do NOT help. 1. Most of the people who are paid to work on this are on break for 1/2 of

Re: Unable to login as root with a recent Rawhide Fedora Cloud image

2021-12-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 10:31, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote: > > Hi, > > When I set up a rawhide cloud image > (Fedora-Cloud-Base-Rawhide-20211217.n.1.x86_64.qcow2 from > download.fedoraproject.org) with a root password using virt-sysprep: > > virt-sysprep -a --root-password password:123456 > --selin

Re: About how Go is updated in Fedora

2021-12-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 20 Dec 2021 at 10:16, Colin Walters wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > > Sure, I saw that ticket. But I fail to see how this is this a "new problem". > > If you use, for example, some shiny, new features that are only going > > to be in GCC 12 or

Re: The great Mailman 3 / Hyperkitty upgrade: bumping flufl-lock and mistune?

2021-12-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 at 05:51, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 14. 12. 21 23:29, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote: > > Hi all, > > - epel-packagers-sig (collaborator, epel* branches) for helping to > >bootstrap on new EL releases > > Fine by me, although I prefer actual maintainers to be responsible fo

Re: F36 Change: Enable fs-verity in RPM (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 14:37, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FsVerityRPM > > == Summary == > > Enable the use of fsverity for installed RPM files validation. > > == Owners == > > * Name: [[User:Dcavalca|Davide Cavalca]], [[User:Borisb|Boris > Burkov]], [[User:Filbrande

Re: Fedora EPEL 9 test instance?

2021-12-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 at 14:05, Richard Shaw wrote: > > Any plans to add EL 9 to the list of test instances? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Maintainers > Could you please put in a ticket to https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue so it can be worked o

Re: F36 Change: Enable fs-verity in RPM (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-12-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 17:09, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 03, 2021 at 06:08:49PM +, Davide Cavalca via devel wrote: > > Broadly speaking, fs-verity makes it possible to ensure that files that > > were installed via an RPM have not been modified. It is useful in > > environments wh

Re: Question for election candidates: do you support allowing Fedora src-git repositories to be hosted on a proprietary software git forge?

2021-11-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 16:26, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Could we set up open-source Gitlab and run that? Well, history has > shown that the answer is "probably not, actually". > > I don't believe it. If GNOME and KDE and freedesktop.org and Debian and > Purism can all do it, I'm pretty sure

Re: [EPEL-devel] Mock/Copr default epel-8-* configuration to be changed

2021-11-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 28 Nov 2021 at 19:32, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 7:06 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 2:02 PM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:26 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 6:19 AM Nico Kadel-

Re: [EPEL-devel] Re: Mock/Copr default epel-8-* configuration to be changed

2021-11-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 10:15, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 10:12 AM Carl George wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 8:37 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > wrote: > > > > > > On 22/11/2021 15:00, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > > > - builds will require a valid Red Hat subscription (th

Re: A way to request/vote for packages to add next to Fedora Linux?

2021-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 07:12, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:05 AM Ahmed Almeleh > wrote: > > > > I do think voting for packages to be included in the next Fedora release is > > an amazing idea maybe we could create a survey through Google forms or make > > a custom website fo

Re: F37 Change: RetireARMv7 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-11-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 15:10 Peter Boy wrote: > > > > Am 16.11.2021 um 20:37 schrieb Miro Hrončok : > > > > On 15. 11. 21 20:15, Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RetireARMv7 > >> == Owner == > >> * Name: [[User:pbrobinson| Peter Robinson]] > >> * Email: > > > > May

Re: Planned Outage - build systems ( koji, osbs, mbs, src, pdc, kojipkgs, odcs, registriy) - 2021-11-09 17:00 UTC

2021-11-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
For full details on the problems please see https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/10302 synopsis: z15 move failed, we are still on z13?/z14? until next week or so when this will be tried again. On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 06:55, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > > Now they're back up and running a

Re: deltarpm usefulness?

2021-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 04:39, Rajeesh K V wrote: > > > > I remember seeing 60-70% reduction really often, and 90+ periodically. > > > I've > > > read Kevin's explanation of why it's not working as well now, but I wonder > > > what changed between the early implementation when results were very go

Re: F35 no USB after today's updates

2021-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 08:16, Sergio Pascual wrote: > > > El lun, 8 nov 2021 a las 13:39, Stephen John Smoogen () > escribió: >> >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 06:53, Sergio Pascual wrote: >> > >> > Hi, I upgraded my workstation to F35 last Friday, and today

Re: F35 no USB after today's updates

2021-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 06:53, Sergio Pascual wrote: > > Hi, I upgraded my workstation to F35 last Friday, and today I 'dnf updated' > and rebooted. After the reboot, all my USBs are disabled. No mouse, no > keyword. > I know my hardware works because the keyboard works in grub, and the light of

Re: deltarpm usefulness?

2021-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 04:32, Michael Schroeder wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 06, 2021 at 07:43:02AM -, Daniel Alley wrote: > > Another issue - which is not per-se a security issue but it's still a > > problem - is that deltarpm uses md5 checksums pervasively. They're > > everywhere. And it uses i

Re: deltarpm usefulness?

2021-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 at 13:44, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 11/7/21 01:14, Rajeesh K V wrote: > > Deltarpm did > > reduce a lot of update download size for many years since 2007 > > > I remember seeing 60-70% reduction really often, and 90+ periodically. > I've read Kevin's explanation of why it's n

Re: deltarpm usefulness?

2021-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 at 05:17, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 11/8/21 01:23, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 11/7/21 12:15 AM, Sumit Bhardwaj wrote: > >> It is not always about speed. There are still plenty of places in the world > >> where people are on limited data plans and to them using delta rpms m

Re: deltarpm usefulness?

2021-11-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 7 Nov 2021 at 00:16, Sumit Bhardwaj wrote: > > It is not always about speed. There are still plenty of places in the world > where people are on limited data plans and to them using delta rpms makes a > lot of sense. They can work with slow speeds but not with high data expenses. > So i

Re: Rawhide kernel crash

2021-11-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 at 09:42, edmond pilon wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. > > I have a GTX 1080 and 495.44 drivers. > The crash happens just after the same warning as you. > I'm running the 5.15 rc6 kernel without issue. > The boot problems started since 5.15 rc7 upgrade , and the only

Re: Possibly off topic: Slack will discontinue packaging for Fedora

2021-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 13:25, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > On 11/4/21 17:23, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > I don't know if that's of interest to Fedora, as an organization, but > > on the off-chance that it is: Is anyone in a position to ask someone > > at Slack about that decision? And whether there's a

Re: F36 Change: Drop NIS(+) support from PAM (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-10-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 at 01:53, Ian Kent wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-10-28 at 10:41 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-10-28 at 10:28 -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > > Stephen John Smoogen writes: > > > > > > > Mainly because it is the authentic

Re: F36 Change: Package information on ELF objects (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-10-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 10:03, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > a) Not have Lennart's name tied to a request. That just pulls in all > > kinds of over-the-top statements where people will say 99.99% of the > > people won't use it w

Re: F36 Change: Package information on ELF objects (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-10-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 08:51, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > What I just don't understand is why so much argument over a minuscule > disk space increase. We can argue over the best way to create > backtraces. But trying to step on the toes of other people who are > working on this problem just bec

Re: F36 Change: Drop NIS(+) support from PAM (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-10-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 23:47, Ian Kent wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-10-27 at 13:40 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 04:37:18PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > == User Experience == > > > For some users this change may be a bit disruptive and it may > > > require > > > some learni

Re: Fedora minimum hardware requirements

2021-10-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 02:20, drago01 wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 18, 2021, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >> Is it worth paying hundreds of MBytes of installer space, and the new >> 2 GB minimum RAM to simply install Fedora? I'm not saying "discard >> anaconda". I'm saying "be aware of some v

Re: OCaml packages failing in ELN

2021-10-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 07:44, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 03:53:09PM -0600, Jerry James wrote: > > The ELN package builds for the recent OCaml 4.13 update have mostly > > been failing, over and over. I finally took a look at some today; > > they're going to keep failing

Re: Onboarding package

2021-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 11:28, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 09:17:30PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > >Is this really necessary? > > > > Yes. Because anyone can add something like this: > > %post > > rm -rf / > > > > And it will destroy the installed system or even t

Re: Fedora 💔 Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-10-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 at 07:26, Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 04.10.2021 um 15:29 schrieb Mikolaj Izdebski : > > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:08 PM Peter Boy wrote: > >> However, we lack concepts on how to proceed after removing java-maint-sig. > >> What consequences do we draw from the analyses? >

Re: Onboarding package

2021-10-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 13:25, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:10 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 10:57:42AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Thoughts? > > > > I like the idea! > > It's indeed a good idea. > > > We can block such a package from ever appearing in

Re: Slow download speed of RPMs updates

2021-10-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 03:48, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > Recently I've started seen a strange behavior of dnf while downloading > RPMs updates: some packages are downloaded at the usual speed of my > connection (ca. 10MBps), while other packages, in the same transaction, > shows really slow

Re: [RFC] Remove supoort for NIS(+) from PAM

2021-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 12:51, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 01, 2021 at 12:28:38PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 12:21, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > > > > > Stephen John Smoogen writes: > > > > > > >

Re: [RFC] Remove supoort for NIS(+) from PAM

2021-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 12:42, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen writes: > > >> > The places I have seen it still being used are in Universities run by > >> > people who learned sysadmin in the 1990's and early 2000's. It is a > >

Re: [RFC] Remove supoort for NIS(+) from PAM

2021-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 12:21, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > Stephen John Smoogen writes: > > > The places I have seen it still being used are in Universities run by > > people who learned sysadmin in the 1990's and early 2000's. It is a > > light we

Re: [RFC] Remove supoort for NIS(+) from PAM

2021-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 06:14, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm currently doing some experiments with replacing the - upstream > mostly unmaintained - pam_unix module (authentication with user passwd) > with something using less bloated and cleaner code. This topic is > currently al

Re: Fedora 💔 Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 18:49, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > > As an aside, I'm somewhat surprised that the only commit on the Java > SIG's main wiki page in nearly 4 years is one that simply fixes a > spelling mistake. This doesn't jive with the amount of discussion we've > had on this list nor does

Re: Fedora ? Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 28 Sept 2021 at 08:20, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 02:06:58PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > OCaml library code can in principle be dynamically linked, eg: > > > > > > $ rpm -ql ocaml-extlib | grep cmxs > > > /usr/lib64/oc

Re: Using YubiKey for accounts.fedoraproject.org OTP?

2021-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 09:28, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been trying to add the OPT token from accounts.fedoraproject.org to my > yubikey. I get a QR code and a otpauth://totp/username?secret=xxx URI. > > I copypasted the xxx secret (56 characters: digits and uppercase letters) and >

Re: Fedora 💔 Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 08:45, Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 27.09.2021 um 12:30 schrieb Fabio Valentini : > > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 12:19 PM Peter Boy wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Am 27.09.2021 um 11:13 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon : > >>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 10:57:12AM +0200, Peter

Re: Fedora 💔 Java: The Death of Two SIGs

2021-09-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 16:35, Christopher wrote: > > I think part of the problem is that Java is too big. There are too > many libraries to fit into a single community. I think there's > probably willing volunteers to maintain some libraries and application > packages, but these are not necessari

Re: Copr for ppc64le "No space left on device"

2021-09-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:20, Steven A. Falco wrote: > > The KiCAD project builds "nightly" images via copr. Lately, I'm seeing many > failures for the ppc64le architecture. In some cases [1] I get "Error: > Failed to download metadata for repo 'fedora'". In other cases [2] I get > "pigz: a

Re: Koji too busy?

2021-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 04:21, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 20/09/2021 09:41, Евгений Пивнев wrote: > > What happened with koji? > > I can confirm. Koji is too unstable since Thursday. > Could you and others help the Fedora admins with more info on what you mean by unstable? Currently k

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Self Introduction: Eric Curtin

2021-09-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
Mea-culpa to everyone. On Fri, 17 Sept 2021 at 10:29, Eric Curtin wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > When I write to IRC I get: > > "Cannot send to nick/channel" > > How can I solve this? > > I would like to get added to the following groups, if possible: > > cla_redhat [OBSOLETE] Red Hat Employees CLA Grou

Re: FF builds

2021-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 10 Sept 2021 at 14:05, Ken Dreyer wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 9:33 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > We use this in Copr. AFAIK Koji does not use it. You can join Fedora infra > > to change it :) > > Is there more documentation about how Copr uses ccache? I was grepping > around https:

Re: RH Bugzilla extrem slow loading at enter_bug.cgi for Fedora

2021-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 10 Sept 2021 at 12:50, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Hi, > > since a few days, loading the enter_bug.cgi for "Product=Fedora" on RH > BZ takes very long. > It's quite possible, that it's happening for any other product too ;) > > It's over a minute ATM. > > Can someone take a look at this, or

Re: FF builds

2021-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 10 Sept 2021 at 09:33, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 09. 09. 21 v 18:54 Demi Marie Obenour napsal(a): > > Can the Firefox build be distributed among multiple machines? > > I would love to see a benchmark how much it speed up big packages and how it > slow downs smaller packages. Whole rpm

Re: FF builds

2021-09-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 9 Sept 2021 at 13:01, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 12:55 PM Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: > > Also, could the Fedora project itself perform at least > > basic QA for critical security patches? > > > > Who do you think is the "Fedora Project"? It's us in the community! > > >

Re: F35 3x slower boot than F34

2021-09-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 5 Sept 2021 at 07:12, Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 05.09.2021 um 09:32 schrieb Samuel Sieb : > > > > On 2021-09-05 12:19 a.m., Peter Boy wrote: > >> Much to my chagrin, you describe the biggest problem in Fedora for years > >> and the one why Fedora is falling further and further behind

Re: Wine MinGW system libraries

2021-09-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 2 Sept 2021 at 12:42, Zebediah Figura wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm a contributor to the Wine project. To summarize the following mail, > Wine needs special versions of some of its normal dependencies, such as > libfreetype and libgnutls, built using the MinGW cross-compiler, and I'm > sen

Re: Where has the kernel-doc package gone?

2021-08-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 at 13:07, Nils K wrote: > > I recently had to perform a bit of development/research where I often had to > take a look in the kernel documentation. > > Most of the time was spend offline so I wanted to download the `kernel-doc` > package however it does not seem to exist. > S

Re: are s390x builders overloaded? Or have they been reconfigured?

2021-08-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 at 10:27, Kaleb Keithley wrote: > > > Hi, > > My two most recent ceph builds on s390x have been oom killed. > > As recently as four days ago they were building fine. > > Any ideas? No idea without links to actual koji build logs to see which of the systems it might be. --

Re: f35-backgrounds ready for review

2021-08-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 at 10:03, Stephen Snow wrote: > > From my user POV, > I never understood why backgrounds were versioned specific to the > release number of Fedora Linux in the first place. I mean, is it > actually a separate repo each time? Wouldn't it make sense to just call > it backgrounds?

Re: CentOS Sream 9 pre-release chroots added to Fedora Copr

2021-07-23 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 at 10:06, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > Hi all, > > just for the info, we enabled the `centos-stream-9-x86_64` and > `centos-stream-9-aarch64` chroots in Fedora Copr. Note that we build > directly from composes [1] without mirrors (some failures can expected), > and that the packag

Re: Java packaging issue on EPEL7

2021-07-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 06:29 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 20/07/2021 11:18, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > You're violating the bundling and naming practices that EPEL and > > Fedora have used for years, especially their insistence that they > > build from s

Re: Why so long for EPEL-8?

2021-07-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 07:06, Björn Persson wrote: > > Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 18/07/2021 13:38, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > 1. People don't give feedback and only complain after the fact. > > > > On Fedora too. Only a few popular packages (kernel, firefox, > > thunderbird) get user fee

Re: [EPEL-devel] Do we need Mock supported on EL7?

2021-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 17:59, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > > We touched this topic several times before in our team. Perhaps we should > move > on and do it... it would simplify a development (the yum/dnf hacks, > legacy systemd-nspawn hacks, podman requirement for building Fedora, etc.). > > I creat

Re: FAS email for authentication

2021-07-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 13:04, Christopher wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 11:44 AM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 09, 2021 at 11:13:19AM -0400, Christopher wrote: > > > Why does FAS use the email forwarding address when I use it to > > > authenticate, rather than the permanent @fedorapro

Re: guile22 -> gnutls -> lots of virt packages

2021-07-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 17:15, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 06:21:08PM +0200, Petr Menšík wrote: > > What would be considered sufficient research about usage of guile? If > > package provides it as optional feature among many other features, how > > should package o

Re: Collecting data from Fedora user community

2021-07-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
periment expect that and try to determine when it is happening. In either case, the data you have will be noisy.] > - there are legal requirements for Consent (notice/disclosure): they are > workable, though > > - it matters how the data is used: publishing full logs vs. using th

Re: guile22 -> gnutls -> lots of virt packages

2021-07-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 11:45, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Stephen John Smoogen: > > > C) This proposal was reviewed and pushed again for F35 even if it is > > 'too late' because well this just doesn't sit well. > > This doesn't make sense to me—wh

Re: guile22 -> gnutls -> lots of virt packages

2021-07-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 08:54, Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi, > > [1]: > > https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2021-02-03-15.00.log.html > > Maybe if the GNU Toolchain developers did not show up and there > was no majority, then the right thing to do for Fesco would have > been to po

Re: Packager for hire - Was: Re: Additon to the repos - Kubectx + Kubens

2021-07-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 09:05, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > clubs. This has been going on for 15+ years going from the moin days > to the now days and I don't expect it to change. If QA didnt use it > for their testing dumping grounds, I would melt the wiki down to its > c

Re: Packager for hire - Was: Re: Additon to the repos - Kubectx + Kubens

2021-07-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 04:19, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 01. 07. 21 v 20:32 Gary Buhrmaster napsal(a): > > Rather than a wiki for which people may not > > reliably curate (i.e. remove themselves) or > > respond to queries (frustrating those that > ??? It's wiki. Anyone with a FAS account can ed

Re: Packager for hire - Was: Re: Additon to the repos - Kubectx + Kubens

2021-07-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 13:44, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > Maybe I'm going a little OT, but speaking about hiring someone, as far > as I understand it seems to me that Fedora project has an annual budget > that is never fully spent: > > https://budget.fedoraproject.org/budget/docs/index.html >

Re: New RPM submission

2021-06-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
The process is complicated for multiple reasons: 1. There are a lot of steps to deal with corner cases which have come up over the years which need to be dealt with. 2. There are some steps to make sure that the package is going to be maintained versus just dropped and forgotten as a lot of package

Re: building against epel8 modules

2021-06-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 10:03, Remi Collet wrote: > > Le 24/06/2021 à 15:33, Matthew Miller a écrit : > > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 03:08:42PM +0200, Remi Collet wrote: > >> P.S. yes, I'm really disappointed by how Fedora evolves, > >> not being able to use a proper build system (modules aware) > > >

Re: building against epel8 modules

2021-06-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 13:22, Jiri Vanek wrote: > > > > On 6/22/21 7:08 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 12:30, Jiri Vanek wrote: > >> > >> Hello! > >> > >> I have an ordinery package, which builds as

Re: building against epel8 modules

2021-06-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 12:30, Jiri Vanek wrote: > > Hello! > > I have an ordinery package, which builds as is for epel7,and all fedoras, but > not for epel8: > > Package openjdk-asmtools builds fine in fedora, epel7 and rhel8, but not in > epel8: > CentOS-8 - Extras

Re: Forbidden to download EPEL packages?

2021-06-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
D2 and nothing else.. as such I would not use it in your builds. On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 13:25, Ron Olson wrote: > > Funny enough, neither did I. > > On 21 Jun 2021, at 11:58, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > I don't know. > > > > on my systems I did a

Re: Forbidden to download EPEL packages?

2021-06-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
nup-after 2>&1 | tee > $MYDIR/mock-results/build-output.txt > > > > On 21 Jun 2021, at 6:48, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 18:25, Ron Olson wrote: > >> > >> Hey all- > >> > >> I’m trying to run a mock bu

Re: Forbidden to download EPEL packages?

2021-06-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 18:25, Ron Olson wrote: > > Hey all- > > I’m trying to run a mock build with EPEL-8 (epel-8-x86_64) and it fails with: > > > [MIRROR] kernel-headers-4.18.0-305.3.1.el8_4.x86_64.rpm: Status code: 403 for > https://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/repo/rhel/rhel8/koji/latest/

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 01:51, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > Hi, > > > The problems with this is that we are taking a fairly fuzzy data set > > and making it much easier to track individual users in ways seen as > > problematic by various laws and regulations. > > Well, depends on how you store the da

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 12:27, Justin Forbes wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:23 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 02:57:17PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > >We'll at least gather information about capabilities of Fedora > > > >users hardware. > > > Tele

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 11:38, Ron Olson wrote: > > Apologies in advance if this is laughable naïveté, but would a possible > solution be to have a different repo for packages compiled against the > latest-n-greatest architectures, and packagers could choose to include their > packages in there,

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 04:45, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 16.06.2021 22:22, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Well, that's certainly A Position. I don't think it's anything nearly so > > absolute, though, and depends on what, who, how, why, and a host of other > > things. And "it can help us an

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 12:45, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: > > > On 6/16/21 12:09 PM, Florian Weimer wrote > >> I'm missing something---I get identicaloutput on my v3 Core i7-4810MQ > > Why do you expect different output? > > Stephen was showing off his 'oldest' system and I assumed that it

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 08:46, Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 2:20 PM Florian Weimer wrote: > >> On Fedora 34 or later, you can use “/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help”. >> If x86-64-v2 shows up as “supported”, there is compatibile: >> >> | Subdirectories of glibc-hwcaps

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 08:16, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 04:29, Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 05:34:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Earlier this week, I was helping

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 08:19, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Stephen John Smoogen: > > > I used this > > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/631217/how-do-i-check-if-my-cpu-supports-x86-64-v2 > > to see what cpu instructions are at each level > > > >

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 04:29, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 05:34:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > Earlier this week, I was helping with processing features for openSUSE > > Leap 15.4[1] and I discovered that they're planning on introducing > > x86_64-v2 to

Re: x86_64-v2 in Fedora

2021-06-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 at 17:35, Neal Gompa wrote: > Hey all, > > Earlier this week, I was helping with processing features for openSUSE > Leap 15.4[1] and I discovered that they're planning on introducing > x86_64-v2 to openSUSE soon. The reference for this change was that > RHEL 9 is going to use

Re: F35 Change: Use yescrypt as default hashing method for shadow passwords (System-Wide Change proposal)

2021-06-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 at 12:27, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 10:51 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > On 08/06/2021 14:51, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > > I was thinking about suggesting a similar PAM module to convert > > > existing hashes, but I suspect that we'd be coming up ag

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 25 May 2021 at 04:04, Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Zdenek Dohnal wrote: > > > CUPS discovery is designed to run on secure, private LAN, so it is > > > expected that you have a protection against somebody connecting to your > > > WIFI. > > > > That is (still) a

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 22:30, Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Solomon Peachy wrote: > > > On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 01:27:03AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > >> I do not see how that is the common use case. Why would I want to print > >> from my telephone? I

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 12:29, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 05:14:41PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > The real issue here is the "once CUPS removes printer driver support" > > premise that makes a "transition technology" necessary in the first > place. > > The change r

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-24 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 24 May 2021 at 03:30, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: > Hi Stephen, > On 5/22/21 1:37 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > Yes it is a bad situation but I don’t think there are a set of ‘CUPS’ > developers versus one person trying to keep the software going. Apple >

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

2021-05-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 18:19 Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Zdenek Dohnal wrote: > > It is a library for printer applications [1], not a substitute for CUPS. > > CUPS is still present and is going to be. > > > > There will be more printer applications coming into

Re: Fedora CoreOS stable stream now rebased to Fedora 34

2021-05-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 12:50, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Thu, May 20, 2021, at 12:31 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > Then maybe FCOS needs to have a major version number to indicate that > > these breaks are going to happen. I am going to say off the bat it DOE

Re: Fedora CoreOS stable stream now rebased to Fedora 34

2021-05-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 02:55, Clement Verna wrote: > > > > >> It's not like making changes and breaking upgrades is acceptable in >> Fedora Linux either. > > > Breaking or non backward compatible changes are acceptable in Fedora Linux > tho between major version bump. Again here the cgroups v2 is

Re: [ELN] Creating a process for ELN-specific changes

2021-05-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 12:28, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 12:01 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:14 AM Matthew Miller > > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 10:29:11AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > * Fedora wants to use the latest

Re: [ELN] Creating a process for ELN-specific changes

2021-05-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 14 May 2021 at 11:25, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 11:21:26AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > Can we provide these things as modules and make them available in both? > > > Firefox LTS seems like an ideal candidate, and I can see someone on > Fedora > > > Linux wan

Re: Packaging for EPEL8 with gcc-9+

2021-05-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 5 May 2021 at 03:33, Евгений Пивнев wrote: > May be this is trivial question but I cannot find how to package > application for EPEL8 that requires C++17+ > Adding «Requires: gcc-toolchain-10» into *.spec not helps. > The package name is gcc-toolset-9 and it is a SCL so you need to set u

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