Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-03 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 03.06.2022 um 07:17 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > > It's not *that* typical in my experience. Most of the SME server > environments I know of don't have that. It's more common in larger > server environments, but they also typically use hardware RAID there > instead of software RAID. We don’t

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:19 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 22:42 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > > > > > It's not standard at all. We don't even test for this setup regularly. > > It's not a test case, and it's not even supposed to work right now. > > It’s standard as it is a typical use

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:27 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 19:20 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > : > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:18:27AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> > >> And even those who can continue to use Fedora Server via update are under > >>

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 12:19 AM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 22:42 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > > > > > It's not standard at all. We don't even test for this setup regularly. > > It's not a test case, and it's not even supposed to work right now. > > It’s standard as it is a typical

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 02.06.2022 um 22:42 schrieb Neal Gompa : > > > It's not standard at all. We don't even test for this setup regularly. > It's not a test case, and it's not even supposed to work right now. It’s standard as it is a typical use case in private or SME environments. And do you really think

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Neal Gompa
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 9:27 PM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 02.06.2022 um 19:20 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > : > > > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:18:27AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > >> > >> ... > >> > >> And even those who can continue to use Fedora Server via update are under > >>

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 02.06.2022 um 19:20 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > : > > On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:18:27AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: >> >> ... >> >> And even those who can continue to use Fedora Server via update are under >> the threat of having to switch distributions overnight in the event of

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-06-02 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 09:18:27AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote: > > > > Am 30.05.2022 um 04:28 schrieb Chris Murphy : > > > > On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 6:56 AM Peter Boy wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Fedora Server WG discussed the proposal and insists that the proposal be > >> deferred until

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-30 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 30.05.2022 um 11:39 schrieb Colin Walters : > > Just a note: Fedora CoreOS has used a hybrid BIOS/UEFI setup since its > inception, and also supports this "mirrored boot" setup: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-coreos/storage/#_reconfiguring_the_root_filesystem >

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, May 29, 2022, at 6:55 AM, Peter Boy wrote: > > Fedora Server WG discussed the proposal and insists that the proposal > be deferred until Anaconda can install software raid on biosboot > systems with GPT (see > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2088113 and >

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-30 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Chris Murphy wrote: > What's the basis for holding up this feature though? Yes it's a bug, Making the setup with the bug the default turns the longstanding bug into a regression (for the default setup) though. There also seems to be no reasonable workaround, or is there a checkbox or dropdown

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-30 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 30.05.2022 um 04:28 schrieb Chris Murphy : > > On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 6:56 AM Peter Boy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Fedora Server WG discussed the proposal and insists that the proposal be >> deferred until Anaconda can install software raid on biosboot systems with >> GPT (see

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 6:56 AM Peter Boy wrote: > > > > > Am 14.05.2022 um 18:45 schrieb Ben Cotton : > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault > > > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > > process, proposals are publicly announced in

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-29 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 14.05.2022 um 18:45 schrieb Ben Cotton : > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only be

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:25 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote: > > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > This simplifies our default code path by using the same partitioning > > scheme as UEFI systems and aligns us more to how Fedora variants that > > are delivered as disk images, which all use a similar setup. It

Re: F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-16 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
> == Benefit to Fedora == > This simplifies our default code path by using the same partitioning > scheme as UEFI systems and aligns us more to how Fedora variants that > are delivered as disk images, which all use a similar setup. It also > paves the way to implement hybrid BIOS+UEFI boot for

F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-14 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering

F37 proposal: Install Using GPT on x86_64 BIOS by Default (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-14 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GPTforBIOSbyDefault This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering