On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 23:23 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.03.2013 23:13, schrieb Simo Sorce:
On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 22:37 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.03.2013 22:34, schrieb Simo Sorce:
I reboot VMs a lot for development, 2 seconds do make a difference
Bruhahaha
100
On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
and you learn by FACING things
I'll leave it up to you to mention this to the very next blind person you
encounter.
Even if I were to see a coherent list of kernels in a list by their date,
it's unlikely I as a
On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Brian Wheeler bdwhe...@indiana.edu wrote:
Fedora isn't windows. Its not OSX. It should never be those things and I'm
grateful for it.
The boot menu doesn't hurt anything. It has benefits.
What are the benefits of removing the boot menu?
* Saving upwards
On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:19 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
I personally could not care less about the defaults Fedora uses. I've been
overriding them for years. I'm just glad I was able to learn these things
before everything became hidden.
Because, naturally, you don't explore, find, or
On 03/13/2013 01:32 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original
but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much
a welded shut view. And as someone who has to worked on
On 12 March 2013 18:32, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original
but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal ) seemed very much
a welded shut view. And as someone
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.dewrote:
On 03/13/2013 01:32 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original
but some point in the the 500 ms boot time ideal
On 03/13/2013 06:25 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de
- (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared
towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to
less-knowledgeable users.
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a clean
boot menu like this:
https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/system-lock-login-boot/bootmenu.png,
avoiding the graphical screen
On 03/11/2013 12:58 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
I don't know why - I think grub2 is just a PITA to work with compared to
grub - but the intention here was that it should be turned off by
default in final releases, and on in alpha/beta releases. I think we
On 03/11/2013 12:58 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Hi,
I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see
something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen,
followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by the gdm login
screen. Grub
On Mon, 11.03.13 12:58, Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) wrote:
Hi,
I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see
something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub
screen, followed by the filling-in-Fedora of Plymouth, followed by
On 2013-03-11 18:49, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 12:58, Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) wrote:
Hi,
I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time you see
something Fedora-related on the screen currently is the graphical grub screen,
followed by the
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:55:30 +0100
Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e.
g., Press F1 to... in some corner. Current
policy that user just should know the key is not that good IMHO.
After all, this is the first screen
From: seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
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Date: 03/11/2013 14:03
Subject: Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:55:30 +0100
Alec Leamas
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:02:11PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:55:30 +0100
Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e.
g., Press F1 to... in some corner. Current
policy that user just should know
On 03/11/2013 01:55 PM, Alec Leamas wrote:
On 2013-03-11 18:49, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 12:58, Matthias Clasen (mcla...@redhat.com) wrote:
Hi,
I would love to see F19 make a good first impression. The first time
you see something Fedora-related on the screen currently is
On 03/11/2013 02:21 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 02:02:11PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 18:55:30 +0100
Alec Leamas leamas.a...@gmail.com wrote:
Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e.
g., Press F1 to... in some corner.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 06:49:16PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
We should not only turn off the graphical screen, but the entire thing
should get turned off unless the user presses some key.
It's worth noting that many modern systems will not register keypresses
during boot by default.
Ryan Lerch wrote:
Does the bootup screen require any keyboard other input at all other
than escape to bring up the details?
It must be possible to enter a disk encryption password.
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On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote:
Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press some key
at the
right moment?
A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to
the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A
Ryan Lerch wrote:
With regards to a label on the screen instructing the user how to show
the hidden preboot menu (GRUB), It is clutter that is not needed. It
makes boot up longer, as that screen will need to appear on the screen
long enough for the user to read, at which point why not just
On 03/11/2013 02:41 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
Yes, why not display the Grub menu?
Because it's the year 2013. Not 1999.
Whether any text is displayed or not, there still needs to be a long
enough pause that the user has time to press a key. Not displaying any
text at all would make it harder
From: Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se
Ryan Lerch wrote:
With regards to a label on the screen instructing the user how to show
the hidden preboot menu (GRUB), It is clutter that is not needed. It
makes boot up longer, as that screen will need to appear on the screen
long
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 14:49:10 -0500
Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
On 03/11/2013 02:41 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
Yes, why not display the Grub menu?
Because it's the year 2013. Not 1999.
There's no need for this kind of sarcastic/snarky response.
I don't think Bjorn was asking
On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote:
Ryan Lerch wrote:
With regards to a label on the screen instructing the user how to show
the hidden preboot menu (GRUB), It is clutter that is not needed. It
makes boot up longer, as that screen will need to
Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) said:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a
clean boot menu like this:
On Mon, 11.03.13 19:21, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote:
Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e.
g., Press F1 to... in some corner. Current
policy that user just should know the key is not that good IMHO.
After all, this is the first screen a
On Mon, 11.03.13 18:51, Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 06:49:16PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
We should not only turn off the graphical screen, but the entire thing
should get turned off unless the user presses some key.
It's worth noting that
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:
Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) said:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having a
clean boot menu like this:
On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se
wrote:
Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press some
key at the
right moment?
A multiboot system needs at least a
We nowadays live in times where BIOS POST takes 500ms,
HA! I wish mine was that fast. With all the different BIOS chips
doing thier own thing for all the add-on cards and peripherals I have,
it takes about 45 seconds just to get to GRUB at all.
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On Mon, 11.03.13 20:41, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Ryan Lerch wrote:
With regards to a label on the screen instructing the user how to show
the hidden preboot menu (GRUB), It is clutter that is not needed. It
makes boot up longer, as that screen will need to appear on the
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
I don't think we should generate any message. Nothing at all. My BIOS
doesn't print a single line, and neither does the kernel if quiet is
used (which is the default). I really don't see why Plymouth or the
Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a particular key means
you have to get it at the second or two where grub isn't displayed.
The Ctrl option is quite nice as you can do it before the BIOS
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 03/11/2013 12:58 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
I don't know why - I think grub2 is just a PITA to work with compared to
grub - but the intention here was that it should be turned
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 19:21, Tomasz Torcz (to...@pipebreaker.pl) wrote:
Fine with me, but don't forget to have a hint to this key visible e.
g., Press F1 to... in some corner. Current
policy that user just
Lennart Poettering wrote:
If some text like Press Esc now to choose which operating system to
boot. would be displayed, then the pause would need to be long enough
for the user to read and understand the instruction and then reach for
the right key – and the terser the text is made the
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Björn Persson
bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
If some text like Press Esc now to choose which operating system to
boot. would be displayed, then the pause would need to be long enough
for the user to read and understand the
Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se
wrote:
Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press
some key at the
Chris Murphy wrote:
A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to
the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably should
entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
What if I need to revert to the previous kernel, or add some kernel
Le Lun 11 mars 2013 20:57, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) said:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Turn off the graphical grub screen
Even if we are not able to suppress the boot menu entirely, or having
a clean boot menu like this:
On Mon, 11.03.13 20:22, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a
tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them to
remember something as simple as maybe press shift or Space or Esc to
get the
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:40, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
If some text like Press Esc now to choose which operating system to
boot. would be displayed, then the pause would need to be long enough
for the user to read and understand the instruction and
On Mon, 11.03.13 16:20, seth vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
I don't think we should generate any message. Nothing at all. My BIOS
doesn't print a single line, and neither does the kernel if
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a particular key means
you have to get it at the second or two where grub isn't
On 03/11/2013 04:56 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:40, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
If some text like Press Esc now to choose which operating system to
boot. would be displayed, then the pause would need to be long enough
for the user
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Does any other computing device you own prompt you for a boot menu? Your
mobile phone?
That's one of the reasons I've never gotten around to trying another
distribution or playing with a more feature-rich kernel on my N900: I
have to first find out whether and how
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se
wrote:
Or
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people
to poke and prod around.
If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have
gotten this far.
How
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:05, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people
to poke and prod around.
If the
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:00:54 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
Well, where do you get them from? Here's a hint: the Unix market is
now all ours, so you can only get them from Windows. And on Windows 8
they don't have
On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
Somebody who is capable of installing multiple operating systems on one
machine should easily be savvy enough to remember that pressing
shift/esc/space/f2/whatever gets him the boot menu.
When I said at least I meant
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:05:31 -0400
Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want
people to poke and prod around.
If
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Lennart Poettering
mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 20:22, Peter Robinson (pbrobin...@gmail.com) wrote:
Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a
tool for professionals. It shouldn't be too hard to expect from them to
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:09:46PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
We are working on this in the systemd context. We will provide a tiny
mechanism, similar to localed/timedated/hostnamed that can be used by
desktop UIs to choose boot into firmware, and boot into other OS
features, which can
On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore the OS. We need
them to be involved in CREATING and LEARNING. So I don't want to scare
any of them off.
My OLPC does not present any boot menu or prompt.
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:18:33 -0500
Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore the OS. We need
them to be involved in CREATING and LEARNING. So I don't want to
scare any of them off.
My OLPC
On 03/11/2013 05:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
Is one line of text really that significant of a problem to present?
I'm pretty sure it is because of where we are in the process at that
point. For example, translations - can we render Indic or CJK glyphs to
the screen at this point in the boot
On Mon, 11.03.13 22:14, Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 09:09:46PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
We are working on this in the systemd context. We will provide a tiny
mechanism, similar to localed/timedated/hostnamed that can be used by
desktop UIs to
On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:20 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100
Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote:
Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a
tool for professionals.
I'm mostly concerned with making new
On 03/11/2013 09:05 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people
to poke and prod around.
If the bioses and systems years ago had been
On 03/11/2013 09:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:05, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Hi Seth,
On 03/11/2013 04:20 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want
On 03/11/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Right, because had booting simply worked, instead of a** r8H#@Ig me every 10
minutes, I'd never have become curious about it.
Do you remember the days when bootup was so slow that you would sit
there for 3-5 minutes watching the ram count up?
The
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a particular key means
you have to get it at the
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote:
On 03/11/2013 04:13 PM, seth vidal wrote:
I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore the OS. We need
them to be involved in CREATING and LEARNING. So I don't want to scare
any of them off.
My OLPC does not
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:24:28 -0600
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have
gotten this far.
Please elaborate on this, and define this far. Apple has had fairly
opaque booting for ~28 years, so I'm curious how
On Mon, 11.03.13 22:30, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down.
Hi Jóhann,
These are great links, thanks!! So to summarize:
On 03/11/2013 05:11 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
1.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx
The last case these guys go over is the one we care about. They
On 03/11/2013 05:30 PM, Björn Persson wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:20, Björn Persson (bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
It use to only be displayed if there was more than one OS configured
or if the CTRL was held down. Having to press a particular key
On 03/11/2013 04:30 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
The OLPC doesn't use grub in any shape for form. It used Open Firmware
to boot straight to the kernel.
Thanks, but I'm aware of the software used. My comment was to give Seth
an example about what some distros (one that you help design) show users
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:34:28 -0400
Ryan Lerch rle...@redhat.com wrote:
I think the suggestion in this thread is to simply keep a key
*pressed down* that way there are no issues with the user having to
time a keypress.
Having a key pressed down helps, also, with Accessibility for folks
with
On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:13 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
I want to encourage kids, teenagers, etc to explore the OS. We need
them to be involved in CREATING and LEARNING. So I don't want to scare
any of them off.
Search this thread for my battery acid comment. Learning about
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:24, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Having multiple triggers for this sounds OK, but making all keys
triggers for this sounds suboptimal, since you might buttdial the boot
menu then, which sounds suboptimal.
Lennart, what you're suggesting is if the
Lennart Poettering wrote:
(And on EFI systems that do not initialize USB anymore during POST, you
have to go through the OS to get into the boot loader anyway...)
That's going to be real fun when the OS fails to boot, and I can't fix
the boot because I can't get into the boot loader because the
On 03/11/2013 05:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
By hooking this up to keys people would natrually try, such as shift,
space, enter, escape, or whatever windows does for their boot menu stuff.
FWIW Windows uses F8
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On 03/11/2013 05:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:24, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Having multiple triggers for this sounds OK, but making all keys
triggers for this sounds suboptimal, since you might buttdial the boot
menu then, which sounds suboptimal.
On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
2. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1533
They appear to have an entire menagerie of keys you can press during
startup to access various modes and controls. Seems very un-Apple like
though to have so many different
Ryan Lerch wrote:
I think the suggestion in this thread is to simply keep a key *pressed
down* that way there are no issues with the user having to time a keypress.
And I'm asking: How am I supposed to *discover* that I'm supposed to be
holding a key down and not pounding on it?
Could there
On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On 03/11/2013 05:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
That random key could be shift, or space or enter, or esc, or F8,
or Shift+F8, or whatever.
Okay, right. The problem with that is, though, that users won't know
what
On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote:
Chris Murphy wrote:
A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to get to
the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably should
entirely suppress the menu or notice how to
On 03/11/2013 09:33 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Jóhann,
These are great links, thanks!! So to summarize:
On 03/11/2013 05:11 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
1.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/22/designing-for-pcs-that-boot-faster-than-ever-before.aspx
The last case these guys go
On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:
Basically do what Lennart has been suggesting along with borrowing from OS X
to play an sound ( startup tone ) when you should press a ( startup ) key but
have very limited key combo, if anything other then a
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:53, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On 03/11/2013 05:44 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:24, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Having multiple triggers for this sounds OK, but making all keys
triggers for this sounds
On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:31 PM, seth vidal skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:24:28 -0600
Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have
gotten this far.
Please elaborate on this, and define this far.
On 11/03/13 01:20 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Yikes. On a modern system the BIOS POST finishes within 500ms, and
While we're trading anecdata, mine takes at least 10 seconds, and often
appears to run twice for absolutely no good reason.
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On 11 March 2013 20:43, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Björn Persson
bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se wrote:
Lennart Poettering wrote:
If some text like Press Esc now to choose which operating system to
boot. would be displayed, then the pause would need to be
On Mon, 11.03.13 15:47, Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) wrote:
On 11/03/13 01:20 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Yikes. On a modern system the BIOS POST finishes within 500ms, and
While we're trading anecdata, mine takes at least 10 seconds, and
often appears to run twice for
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:58:55PM +0100, Bj??rn Persson wrote:
Ryan Lerch wrote:
I think the suggestion in this thread is to simply keep a key *pressed
down* that way there are no issues with the user having to time a keypress.
And I'm asking: How am I supposed to *discover* that I'm
On Mar 11, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 March 2013 20:43, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote:
If you really want to menu hold down any key.
Kernel update breaks system. User ignorant of hold-down key approach
is stuck. Menu at least advertises possibility of
Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 17:53, Máirín Duffy (du...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
Okay, right. The problem with that is, though, that users won't know
what it is, which is why maybe it's better to accept across a bunch of
different keys? (This makes sense right?)
Yes,
A suggestion:
Should we let users to specify the grub2 sequence or key pressing after the
installation before reboot?
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On 03/11/2013 05:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mail...@laposte.net) wrote:
Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn
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