Re: SSH DSA logins on crank.

2008-05-22 Thread John Gilmore
> one reason would be that DSA is more secure then RSA. If you have a copy > of the secret key from one end of the conversation and they are using RSA > you can decrypt the communication, with DSA you cannot do so. That blanket statement is false. I'm still working my way through the RFC's for

Re: New joyride build 1971

2008-05-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Now have the 'Circle of Activities'. But Journal does not start > automatically. [Did not have Journal on Joyride 1970, either.] > > What are the steps to start Journal manually ? > > > Thanks, mikus The journal is placed in /usr/share/activities and expected in /u

Re: New joyride build 1970

2008-05-22 Thread Morgan Collett
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Mikus Grinbergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joyride 1970 has the OLD 'Frame', instead of the 'Circle of > Activities' in the Home view. > > Please fix. An older sugar was built in koji for a bugfix release. By default this gets included in joyride, and requires

Counting hops / likely costs to a node

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am looking at the feasibility of measuring (roughly, and cheaply) the cost to reach the XS. Quite an interesting exercise :-) Background: I'm fleshing out the rules of when do we attempt to backup. Even if we see the XS, we want to know the number of hops to it, so we can delay the backups if th

Re: Datastore & backup - request for help

2008-05-22 Thread Michail Bletsas
John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 05/21/2008 10:45:31 PM: > > Michail is choosing a method, which will be used by NM and should be > used by other laptop tasks as well. It will almost certainly not be > SSID based. > My inclination is to just use a DNS name like "schoolserver" (tha

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jameson "Chema" Quinn wrote: > |>> - at startup, if the file /.metadata.exported doesn't > |>> exist, check how many objects need to get their metadata exported > |

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> the patch attached maintains a copy of the metadata of each object >> outside the xapian index. How it works: > > Fantastic. Except that... erm..

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Jameson Chema Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yay, I am happy about this patch (when there is a patch :) >> >> > - at every create and update, a json file is created next to the >> > object's file, > > I definitely think it should be in the same directory as the

XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Gettys
Depends on the processor selection, not yet done. I do recommend looking at Peter Hutterer's videos on YouTube (search for "mpx"). That shows the practicality of touch base and multi-user based interfaces in Linux. - Jim On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 11:19 +0200, Bert Freuden

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 22.05.2008, at 12:34, Jim Gettys wrote: > Depends on the processor selection, not yet done. Well, I'd rather hope the processor selection would also take into account what is intended to be done with the machine :) Also, work on UI and apps could start even before that. It better had to,

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Frederick Grose
Thank you Martin for your insightful perspective. The teams' excellent work has produced such high expectations that they can easily run away and lead to temporary disappointments. Remember the alternatives, be encouraged, and keep up your best efforts. We applaud you all. On Thu, May 22, 2008

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you're suggesting a similar software stack like on the XO-1 will be > used? OFW / Linux / X11 / Sugar? That is the plan. Most of 1cc is learning about the XO-2 at the same time you are. There has been limited discussion about whether

Re: Converting xol files???

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Cabrera
Hola Javier, xol files are simple zip files with changed extension. If you need to see what's inside just open them with any unzip program, or rename it as .zip and open it. Cheers, Andrés On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > I downloaded a

Re: Converting xol files???

2008-05-22 Thread Walter Bender
It is a bit more complicated than that if you want the .xol to install in the library used by Browse on the home page. You need to add a few bits of glue: index.html should be a redirect as per: e.g., html> and you need a Library subdirectory with a library.info file, e.g.,: [Library] nam

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
> Of course, none of this is final until the machines start being > manufactured, and (as Jim said) we're not even past the processor > selection stage yet. So right now we're assembling desiderata and > (presumably) pricing out components to get a sense of the possible. > --scott I hope that t

Re: [sw-eco] Keyboard Support for Haiti & Ethiopia - OLPC 8.1.1 bugfix release

2008-05-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mercredi 21 mai 2008 à 19:47 +0100, Dafydd Harries a écrit : > I'll try and find out which Telepathy fixes might be worth pushing into an > USR. Looking at changelogs, I see at least one bug: > > http://en.pastebin.ca/1025092 > Yeah having the fix for http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.05.2008 15:38, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > I'm not on the hardware team, so this is just a wild guess: > [...] > Some other features that have been discussed: > d) GPS (unknown whether this will be able to make the cost budget) > This is not only a cost problem, but also a big power drain

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is not only a cost problem, but also a big power drain problem. > Besides that, GPS and GALILEO are similar enough that some manufacturers > claim they can support both with a software update. If a machine is > sitting in a dee

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread John Watlington
On May 22, 2008, at 11:01 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is not only a cost problem, but also a big power drain problem. >> Besides that, GPS and GALILEO are similar enough that some >> manufacturers >> claim they can suppor

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.05.2008 17:01, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > h) hardware-protected RTC (bitfrost desiderata) >> I'd be very interested in the reasons for that. P_THEFT is still mostly >> unimplemented for cost reasons. A hardware-protecte

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Watlington wrote: | On May 22, 2008, at 11:01 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: |> GPS enables a lot of mapping and geography-related educational |> activities, which is why it was originally considered for the XO-1. |> It would probably (like the camer

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread John Watlington
On May 22, 2008, at 11:36 AM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > On 22.05.2008 17:01, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> h) hardware-protected RTC (bitfrost desiderata) >>> I'd be very interested in the reasons for that. P_THEFT is stil

New faster build 1972

2008-05-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1972 Changes in build 1972 from build: 1971 Size delta: -0.14M -sugar 0.79.5-1.olpc2 +sugar 0.81.1-1.olpc2 --- Changes for sugar 0.81.1-1.olpc2 from 0.79.5-1.olpc2 --- + Make arrows scroll up and down in scroll views + Merge activiti

Re: OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/21/08, Kim Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been trying to understand it, explain it, live with it , > and improve it for a year now. What I think is going on is a unique > and somewhat chaotic (perfect storm?) intersection of non-profit, open > source, research lab cultures with

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22.05.2008 17:01, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > On 5/22/08, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A statement of security is a nice theft deterrent. This may change once > the bad guys realize circumvention is very doa

Re: Creating a non-python activity

2008-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:50:17AM +0530, shivaprasad javali wrote: > Hi. > > The app that i am trying to run must be run as super user for it to run > properly. So i tried using su -c app_name in the shell script described in > the link http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php?topic=1555.0 > >

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Todd Cranston-Cuebas
I think it's worth noting that with the announcement of the new 2.0 spec on the hardware, you're going to get even more backlash of current G1G1 participants feeling like they helped to fund and purchase a system that is basically really a serious work in progress and test bed for the new system. A

New joyride build 1973

2008-05-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1973 Changes in build 1973 from build: 1971 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar 0.79.5-1.olpc2 +sugar 0.81.1-1.olpc2 --- Changes for sugar 0.81.1-1.olpc2 from 0.79.5-1.olpc2 --- + Make arrows scroll up and down in scroll views + Merge activiti

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Todd Cranston-Cuebas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's worth noting that with the announcement of the new 2.0 spec on > the hardware, you're going to get even more backlash of current G1G1 > participants feeling like they helped to fund and purchase a system that is > basically

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Ludovic FERRE
> We may need to rethink how certain parts of the UI work in order to > better support touchscreen operation. For example, the frame might be > 'pulled' out from the corner using a drag gesture; perhaps the same > gesture would be required on the XO-1. Right click context menus are > not so natur

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Ludovic FERRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We may need to rethink how certain parts of the UI work in order to > > better support touchscreen operation. For example, the frame might be > > 'pulled' out from the corner using a drag gesture; perhaps the same > > gesture would be req

Re: [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > I would like to nominate SJ and Adam for the role of interim > community liason, as they've done a fantastic job to date > building and nourishing their respective content and support > communities. SJ and Adam did a great job in the past to leverage and organize the com

Re: [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > e) A more broadly-focused "community news", agressively seeking out > > and incorporating local as well as "offical OLPC" content > > Restoring the old weekly news posted to devel@ would be a good > start. Perhaps even publishing the l

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 15:06:05 -0400 "C. Scott Ananian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > pps. a little bird told me we've managed to ink deals with several > more countries on the strength of our country meetings this week, > which were 99% XO-1 related, even though we also used the opportunity

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > There will almost certainly be a 'virtual XO-1' mode for > compatibility, where the lower touchscreen will display a keyboard and > touchpad like the XO-1. a touchscreen based keyboard is far inferior to a real keyboard. it's a reasonable stop-gap o

Re: [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Walter Bender
Indeed, one of the goals of Sugar Labs is to help build community collaboration, so working together on organizing is a positive step forward. I plan to start sending a weekly Sugar Digest out--but it will not be comprehensive of all the OLPC comings and goings and it will include Sugar in other ve

Re: [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> e) A more broadly-focused "community news", agressively seeking out >>> and incorporating local as well as "offical OLPC" content >> >> Restoring the old weekly news posted to devel@ would

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > > There will almost certainly be a 'virtual XO-1' mode for > > compatibility, where the lower touchscreen will display a keyboard > > and touchpad like the XO-1. > > a touchscreen

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > a touchscreen based keyboard is far inferior to a real keyboard. it's > would be fine. A USB keyboard gives far more flexibility than XO-1 > currently has in terms of

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Andres Salomon wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >> >>> There will almost certainly be a 'virtual XO-1' mode for >>> compatibility, where the lower touchscreen will display a keyboard

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > a touchscreen based keyboard is far inferior to a real keyboard. it's >> would be fine. A USB keyboard gives far more

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Walter Bender
Not having seen the display, it is not obvious that "intricate glyphs" will be very easy to fit "legibly" on a virtual keycap. -walter On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/22/08, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Paul Fox
c. scott ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Todd Cranston-Cuebas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it's worth noting that with the announcement of the > > new 2.0 spec on the hardware, you're going to get even more > > backlash of current G1G1 participants feeling like they > > helped to fund a

Re: OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread John R . Hogerhuis
You don't need a person to keep the community in the loop if the community fora (as opposed to the water cooler and the hallway) are *religiously* maintained as being the loop. -- John. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.o

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008, Andres Salomon wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 May 2008 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> > >>> There will almost certainly be a 'virtual XO-

Re: OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, John R. Hogerhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You don't need a person to keep the community in the loop if the community > fora > (as opposed to the water cooler and the hallway) are *religiously* > maintained as > being the loop. And who does that maintenance? --scott --

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 02:14:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > All this is just to say that "ease of typing English" and "keyfeel > > like a Remington typewriter" are not the only items on our list of > > desired keyboard features. > > it's no

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Andres Salomon wrote: > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:33:24 -0400 > From: Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org > Subject: Re: XO-2 > > On Thu, 22 May 2008 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> On Thu, 22 May 2008,

Re: OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/22/08, John R. Hogerhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You don't need a person to keep the community in the loop if the community >> fora >> (as opposed to the water cooler and the hallway) are *religiously* >> m

Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-22 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello All, I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to change the size of frames and icons ? I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing happens, any clues? 2ndly, the activities inside this small screen do not show properly i.e they remain the actual full scre

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread John Gilmore
> What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? First they need to build one out of something other than modeling clay and Photoshop. Then whenever your hand comes close to the laptop, ugly black bars are going to cover all the edges of that nice sky-blue screen. There's no need to g

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 14:41:21 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 22 May 2008, Andres Salomon wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:33:24 -0400 > > From: Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org > > Subject: Re: XO-2 > > > > On Thu, 2

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This process is easier to perform inside the DS process and will > happen only on first boot after update. But the backup process itself > (rsync) should have a really high nice value, agreed. That goes without saying: my p

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? > First they need to build one out of something other than modeling clay > and Photoshop. [...] > current touchpad can do "tap to click" (ticket #959). But developers > and users o

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Yamandu Ploskonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To begin with, could we pinpoint _what_ we are looking in such a person? > > 1.- obsessive openness, not subject to OLPC NDA I actually want the opposite. You are welcome to have a non-OLPC community liason, but *I* want someone *employ

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
C. Scott Ananian schrieb: > On 5/22/08, Yamandu Ploskonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> To begin with, could we pinpoint _what_ we are looking in such a person? >> >> 1.- obsessive openness, not subject to OLPC NDA >> > > I actually want the opposite. You are welcome to have a non-OLPC

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
In total agreement, etc, here my 2 ¢ To avoid a "plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose*" kind of moment, could we have the naming of such an ombudsman be an open affair, not something done behind doors? To begin with, could we pinpoint _what_ we are looking in such a person? 1.- obsessive o

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Andres Salomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I pointed out that one can enter text without using a keyboard. Those > of us who grew up using qwerty-style keyboards just happen to be > fastest at entering text with such a device. Indeed. Dasher is a must-try -- wit

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Christoph Derndorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > C. Scott Ananian schrieb: > > On 5/22/08, Yamandu Ploskonka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To begin with, could we pinpoint _what_ we are looking in such a > person? > > > > > > 1.- obsessive openness, not subject to OLPC NDA > > > >

Re: [IAEP] [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Christoph Derndorfer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you're basically looking for someone who doesn't mind being despised > by both OLPC staff ("God, s/he keeps bugging me, how annoying!") and the > community ("s/he knows more than s/he's telling us"). Nah. We all

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:17 AM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then whenever your hand comes close to the laptop, ugly black bars are > going to cover all the edges of that nice sky-blue screen. I hear ugly black is the new black these days :-) > It's always harder than you want it t

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Andres Salomon
On Thu, 22 May 2008 15:17:02 -0700 John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What are the software plans for the second-generation XO? > [...] > > If they'd put me in charge, I'd make sure it wasn't an x86 CPU, so > this pesky Windows nonsense wouldn't come up. Nobody argues that a > non-x86

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Gary C Martin
On 22 May 2008, at 22:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > it's not 'keyfeel like a remington typewriter', it's enough keyfeel > to be > able to touch-type. it doesn't take much, but I haven't seen any > touchscreen that has any. > > I realize that kids aren't going to start off touch-typing, but if t

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Fri, 23 May 2008, Gary C Martin wrote: it's not 'keyfeel like a remington typewriter', it's enough keyfeel to be able to touch-type. it doesn't take much, but I haven't seen any touchscreen that has any. I realize that kids aren't going to start off touch-typing, but if the keyboard layout i

Re: [IAEP] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Below the line was never posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Community news continues > to be published to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, which is open > (as far as I know). I guess the only thing that's changed is that it > is no longer cc'ed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should it be?

Re: [IAEP] planet.sugarlabs.org

2008-05-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Christoph Derndorfer wrote: >> Sounds generally good. But there a flew blogs which are bringing in >> almost exclusively non-olpc/non-sugar stuff. >> > Any update on the blog-front? Well, I'm reluctant to import a bunch of RSS feeds without asking the respective owners. Yes, this is how RSS i

Re: XO-2 software plans

2008-05-22 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:28 -0400, Andres Salomon wrote: > If they put me in charge, I'd choose whichever CPU had the best > performance, lowest power consumption, and lowest price - regardless > of architecture. Change the ordering: power consumption and price (closely related to integration th

dual-display ebook reader project

2008-05-22 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Some of you might have seen this, but it was certainly new to me: http://vis.berkeley.edu/papers/ebook/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbh4Fdnv-s0 Definitely some food for thought wrt XO-2, don't you think? Thanks for the heads-up, curiouslee! Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer Co-Editor OLPCn

Re: [IAEP] planet.sugarlabs.org

2008-05-22 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Bernie Innocenti schrieb: > Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > >>> Sounds generally good. But there a flew blogs which are bringing in >>> almost exclusively non-olpc/non-sugar stuff. >>> >> Any update on the blog-front? > > Well, I'm reluctant to import a bunch of RSS feeds without asking the > resp

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Martin Langhoff >> Fantastic. Except that... erm... arhm... you forgot the patch ;-) > Ouch. Thanks for the patch. Quick heads up - I've applied it on a 703 laptop and it's completely borked

A Conversation with Marco

2008-05-22 Thread Michael Stone
Marco and I (as well as Dennis and Bernie) had some long chats at the beginning of this week about how to work together to pull of the next release. At Marco's request, I've posted one important chunk of this conversation at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Releases_2 Please

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22 May 2008, at 22:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just imagine the input issues with a 100% touch device in a hot/dusty/ > dry/humid environment being used by a kid – but I'm guessing those are > just mere 'details' glossed over with some

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Alex Belits
Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > I believe item k) was already in the contracts with Quanta and Marvell, > unless the official announcements back then were wrong. It has been > stated repeatedly by OLPC officials that the only thing preventing a > full open source wireless firmware is the lack of t

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread John Watlington
On May 22, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 02:14:05PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> On Thu, 22 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: >>> All this is just to say that "ease of typing English" and "keyfeel >>> like a Remington typewriter" are not the only items

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:59 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The loss of a keyboard is mourned. But so much of the activities > the young kids that OLPC is targetting do are more manual and direct. Will be cool if we can take dasher and run with the concept. For some languages a

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Alex Belits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > > I believe item k) was already in the contracts with Quanta and Marvell, Just to clarify: Carl-Daniel is not an OLPC employee, and is not speaking for OLPC. > I am still trying to find out, whom am I supposed t

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:59:41PM -0400, John Watlington wrote: >> My speculation is that OLPC is not replacing XO-1 hardware with XO-2. >> Rather, both form factors can co-exist because they serve different >> enough markets. > > The loss of a keyboard is mourned. But so much of the activities

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Will be cool if we can take dasher and run with the concept. For > some languages and usage patterns it makes a lot more sense than > keyboard input. Given that we employ someone who worked as the lead Dasher developer full-time for two years, it's quite possible. :) > (OTOH,

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll diagnose a bit more and post back. I'm baffled. I initially suspected PEBKAC but it keeps happening. With the patch the DS gets renamed, and journal never starts. If the datastore code gets to complain somewhere I h

Re: Creating a non-python activity

2008-05-22 Thread shivaprasad javali
My app uses its own drivers for the USB-HID device. So i will have to detach the existing driver before I can use my own drivers. So I need root permission to do this. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:50:17AM +0530, shivaprasa

Re: [sugar] OLPC's bizarre behaviors

2008-05-22 Thread Alex Belits
C. Scott Ananian wrote: > I'm not sure exactly what you mean. About a million kids will be > using the XO-1, in *just this calendar year*. The XO-2 will not be > ready until 2010 at the earliest. How do you feel that the XO-1 is > merely a test bed? > > This is a serious question: if this impre

Release process

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marco and I (as well as Dennis and Bernie) had some long chats at the > beginning of this week about how to work together to pull of the next > release. At Marco's request, I've posted one important chunk of this > conversation at > > http

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 5/22/08, Waqas Toor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to > change the size of frames and icons ? > I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing happens, any clues? > > 2ndly, the activities inside this small screen do not

No kernel messages displayed on 2.6.26-rc2

2008-05-22 Thread Denver Gingerich
I built a kernel from the latest git source and tried to boot it on my C2 XO-1, but I could not see any of the kernel messages while it booted (using "Check-Key Boot") and instead saw only a white screen. Furthermore, the kernel likely did not finish loading because the next clean boot did not forc

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-22 Thread david
On Fri, 23 May 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On 5/22/08, Waqas Toor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to >> change the size of frames and icons ? >> I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing happens, any clues? >> >>

Re: [PATCH] Maintain a metadata copy outside the index (was Re: Datastore & backup - request for help)

2008-05-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On May 22, 2008, at 8:25 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > The first sign of oddness is that > the DS dir got renamed to > > /home/olpc/.sugar/default/datastore1211512411.22 > > I'll diagnose a bit more and post back. This is due to my patch that was pushed out to mitigate the massive DS outage in

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-22 Thread Waqas Toor
Hello, On 5/23/08, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/22/08, Waqas Toor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have changed fullscreen mode of Xephyr into 800x600, but now how to > > change the size of frames and icons ? > > I have tried changing sugar-xo.gtkrc file but nothing happe

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Albert Cahalan
John Watlington writes: > The loss of a keyboard is mourned. But so much of the activities > the young kids that OLPC is targetting do are more manual and direct. Kids too young for a keyboard? That would be below school age. > The desire to maximize display area (but clam-shell, not tablet, for

New joyride build 1975

2008-05-22 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1975 Changes in build 1975 from build: 1973 Size delta: 0.00M -olpccontents 2.1-0 +olpccontents 2.2-0 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://

Re: Help regarding Sugar on Ubuntu

2008-05-22 Thread Alex Belits
Waqas Toor wrote: > 1024x786 becomes full screen mode in my ubuntu, what I want to do to > make it a smaller screen size and the aspect ratio of the frame/canvas > should adjust accordingly, Full screen mode does wierd things :) If you use sugar-emulator, this is a problem (I wouldn't call it a bu

Re: XO-2

2008-05-22 Thread Alex Belits
Albert Cahalan wrote: >> I can think of a few ways to integrate a keyboard with this new design. >> But then we continue the huge production/logistical problem of >> generating keyboards (and spares keyboards) for each country. > > For generating them, you could do something more like an ink-jet.