Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 28.04.2014 08:10, Kurt Pattyn wrote: > > >> On 28 Apr 2014, at 07:53, Peter Kümmel wrote: >> >>> On 27.04.2014 22:40, Thiago Macieira wrote: Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:09:50, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > On 26.04.2014 17:39, André Pönitz wrote: > You could have made the point "declarati

[Development] No SSL on iOS ?

2014-04-27 Thread Martin Koller
Hi, I have installed qt-opensource-mac-x64-ios-5.3.0-beta.dmg and while compiling my app, I get: no member named 'sslConfiguration' in 'QNetworkReply' which is happening when QT_NO_SSL is defined - which seems to be the case in qconfig.h: #if defined(QT_NO_OPENSSL) && defined(QT_OPENSSL) # undef Q

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Kurt Pattyn
> On 28 Apr 2014, at 07:53, Peter Kümmel wrote: > >> On 27.04.2014 22:40, Thiago Macieira wrote: >>> Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:09:50, Peter Kümmel escreveu: On 26.04.2014 17:39, André Pönitz wrote: You could have made the point "declarative structures are good for GUI description

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 28.04.2014 00:55, André Pönitz wrote: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 01:37:33PM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: >> Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 12:55:58, Peter Kümmel escreveu: >>> Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of >>> QML for many C++ developers. If QML would have be

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 27.04.2014 22:41, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:31:33, Peter Kümmel escreveu: >> Then adding 100MB just to run QML really hurts, and you start >> looking for alternatives, like using only QWidgets with very >> limited OpenGL support or not to use a Qt-GUI at all. > > Of thos

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 27.04.2014 22:40, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:09:50, Peter Kümmel escreveu: >> On 26.04.2014 17:39, André Pönitz wrote: >>> You could have made the point "declarative structures are good for GUI >>> description" for Qt Widget's .ui files, after all, .ui files contents >>>

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Robert Iakobashvili
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Em dom 27 abr 2014 15:01:10 você escreveu: > > > It's not the only available choice. Widgets are available. They just > look > > > horrible because no one has done any work to make them look native. > > > > Is my understating correct that:

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em seg 28 abr 2014, às 00:55:12, André Pönitz escreveu: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 01:37:33PM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: > > Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 12:55:58, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > > > Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection > > > of > > > QML for many C++ develo

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread André Pönitz
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 01:37:33PM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 12:55:58, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > > Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of > > QML for many C++ developers. If QML would have been just a improved .ui > > nobody would have

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Richard Moore
On 27 April 2014 22:31, Mark Gaiser wrote: > Actually, you can.. > http://css-tricks.com/a-couple-of-use-cases-for-calc/ > > And even Internet Explorer has support for it: > http://caniuse.com/#feat=calc > > It's a variant of the expression() facility that IE has offered to CSS since IE6. It's ex

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Mark Gaiser
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 12:55:58, Peter Kümmel escreveu: >> Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of >> QML for many C++ developers. If QML would have been just a improved .ui >> nobody would have complaine

Re: [Development] [QIODevice]How to correctly treat/understand of the documentation?

2014-04-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 11:08:44, Denis Shienkov escreveu: > Here I am a little disagree. Because in Unbuffered mode, loss of data is > exists. For example, in a case when the port accepts a data stream. And > when the user ignores readyRead() signal, i.e do not reads nothing from > port. In this ca

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 12:55:58, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of > QML for many C++ developers. If QML would have been just a improved .ui > nobody would have complained. We'd end up with one of the problems of CSS which is that y

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:09:50, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > On 26.04.2014 17:39, André Pönitz wrote: > > You could have made the point "declarative structures are good for GUI > > description" for Qt Widget's .ui files, after all, .ui files contents > > pretty much _is_ declaring layout nesting and p

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em dom 27 abr 2014, às 13:31:33, Peter Kümmel escreveu: > Then adding 100MB just to run QML really hurts, and you start > looking for alternatives, like using only QWidgets with very > limited OpenGL support or not to use a Qt-GUI at all. Of those 100 MB, 30 MB are taken by QtCore and QtGui (inclu

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Hausmann Simon
Hmm, but why don't you use Qml like that then? The language doesn't force you to use inline js code, does it? A lot of the work that has gone into the engine lately also enables this to work better and reduce the use of JS. For example bindings that just consist of a qsTr don't actually end up

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Frank Hemer
On Sunday 27 April 2014 12:55:58 Peter Kümmel wrote: > Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of > QML for many C++ developers. If QML would have been just a improved .ui > nobody would have complained. +1 Frank ___ Deve

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Yves Bailly
On 27/04/2014 12:55, Peter Kümmel wrote: > Having imperative code on the JS side is also the root of the rejection of QML > for many C++ developers. If QML would have been just a improved .ui nobody > would > have complained. +1 -- (o< | Yves Bailly | -o) //\ | Linux D

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 21.04.2014 13:39, Roland Winklmeier wrote: > - Memory consumption: Even a mini example took about 70 MB of memory, > QtWidgets need a lot less. This is not a complain, I know the JS runtime > needs its initial memory. It was just one factor, because our > application is running as an addon to Fl

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 26.04.2014 17:39, André Pönitz wrote: > > You could have made the point "declarative structures are good for GUI > description" for Qt Widget's .ui files, after all, .ui files contents > pretty much _is_ declaring layout nesting and property values. Just an idea: Declarative-only QML files coul

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 25.04.2014 12:18, Joerg Bornemann wrote: > > Yep, I hear people keep repeating the mantra "QML is declarative. It's > just QML/JS that isn't." I think the "declarative-mantra" is a good idea, especially when used for _specifying_ (not programming) the GUI. At Adobe they tried it with pure C++

Re: [Development] Question about Qt's future

2014-04-27 Thread Peter Kümmel
On 24.04.2014 21:15, Attila Csipa wrote: > solutions to cross platform mobile development :( After playing a bit > with Xamarin (yes, I know, but put aside the C# hate for a minute), it's > quite striking what different approaches can result in (and it also made > it quite clear what Qt is doing be

Re: [Development] [QIODevice]How to correctly treat/understand of the documentation?

2014-04-27 Thread Denis Shienkov
Hi Carlos. > Look at the read/write calls in Unix. If you use the asynchronous mode of operation you will get an error if the data cannot be read/written. No data is lost, unless you explicitly delete the data you pass to those functions. And from your point of view there is no way to tell if