, which should be
> >the larger part in size, stay the same, but the html changes). Poor usage of
> >the capabilities of freenet, wouldn't you say;
> >
> >There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> >but let's not break freenet, OK?
>
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From:
"David 'Bombe' Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
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To:
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On Wednesday 20 November 2002 23:53, Ian Clarke wrote:
I was playing with the splitfile stuff, and noticed a few things:
Right me it is saying Blo
Matthew Toseland writes:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:17:26PM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> > So the code that deletes references when their backoff count gets
> > above 6 is gone? If so, that's great. If not, it should be whacked.
> And replaced with what? We can't "move nodes offline" and re
From:
Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:19:14 -0800
At present, a node does nothing to refine or improve its routing table
when a DNF is received - nodes only learn from announcements, and
sucessful data replies.
I propose that we make DNFs more useful to the network.
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 04:19:14PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> For both A and B, when a node initiates a DNF response, it includes in
> its response the closest key in its datastore to the one being sought.
> In proposal B, it also includes its own reference.
Questions:
For proposal A, won't th
Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:17:26PM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> > So the code that deletes references when their backoff count gets
> > above 6 is gone? If so, that's great. If not, it should be whacked.
> And replaced with what? We can't "move no
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:36:11PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > 2) The key in the entry in the datastore which was used to route the
> > > failed request in the first place is then replaced by the key passed
> > > back in the DNF (unless a closer reference was found locally in step 1).
> > Hmm. W
> > 2) The key in the entry in the datastore which was used to route the
> > failed request in the first place is then replaced by the key passed
> > back in the DNF (unless a closer reference was found locally in step 1).
> Hmm. Why is this helpful?
Because when a node forwards a request for a ke
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:39:12PM -0500, David Allen wrote:
> > For both A and B, when a node initiates a DNF response, it includes in
> > its response the closest key in its datastore to the one being sought.
> > In proposal B, it also includes its own reference.
>
> Questions:
>
> For propo
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Matthew Toseland writes:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 07:39:54AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> That doesn't empty your routing table, does it? If so, it's a bug.
> References are deleted only when the table fills up (now), AFAIK.
So the code that deletes references when their backoff count gets
ab
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:22:46AM -0800, Tyler Riddle wrote:
> Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make my
> argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
> world examples of why you are wrong as well.
>
> First of all, I have seen you make some completley
> hairbrain assumptions on
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 04:19:14PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> For both A and B, when a node initiates a DNF response, it includes in
> its response the closest key in its datastore to the one being sought.
> In proposal B, it also includes its own reference.
Questions:
For proposal A, won't th
On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 16:36, panamerica334 at uni.de wrote:
>
> so here's my idea.
>
> - we introduce a new MIME-type for the .jar, e.g.
> "application/x-freenet-site-archive"
> - maybe even a new file extension (.fsa = freenet site archive) so we do not
> stumble over normal .jar files, this wo
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:21:47AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg spake thusly:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:42:14PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote:
> > Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalStateException: checkSize failed!
> > at
>freenet.support.SimpleDataObjectStore.checkSize(SimpleDataObjectStore.j
uot;routing table is f*cked, remove the
rtnodes_* and rtprops_* and restart". I did so and all is well. Thanks!
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:28:39AM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:41:22PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> < >
> > OK. Proposal:
> > Currently manifest sites use Redirect.Target= or DateRedirect
> > (which has .Increment, .Target and .Offset).
> > Add ZIPRedirect:
> > ZI
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:55:24AM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 04:19:14PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > At present, a node does nothing to refine or improve its routing table
> > when a DNF is received - nodes only learn from announcements, and
> > sucessful data repli
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:41:22PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
< >
> OK. Proposal:
> Currently manifest sites use Redirect.Target= or DateRedirect
> (which has .Increment, .Target and .Offset).
> Add ZIPRedirect:
> ZIPRedirect.Target=
> ZIPRedirect.Filename=
There is no reason to do this as a
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 04:19:14PM -0800, Ian Clarke wrote:
> At present, a node does nothing to refine or improve its routing table
> when a DNF is received - nodes only learn from announcements, and
> sucessful data replies.
>
> I propose that we make DNFs more useful to the network. I have t
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:17:26PM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 07:39:54AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> > That doesn't empty your routing table, does it? If so, it's a bug.
> > References are deleted only when the table
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At present, a node does nothing to refine or improve its routing table
when a DNF is received - nodes only learn from announcements, and
sucessful data replies.
I propose that we make DNFs more useful to the network. I have two
proposals, call them A and B. A is pretty safe, B is more powerfu
Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 07:39:54AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> That doesn't empty your routing table, does it? If so, it's a bug.
> References are deleted only when the table fills up (now), AFAIK.
So the code that deletes references when their ba
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:57:25PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> hello there.
>
> the topic of "tying freesites together" is very interesting for me, because i
>personally think, getting only half of a site just sucks ;)
>
> have you ever had a look on the freesites out there in freenetland?
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:01:03PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote:
<>
> There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> but let's not break freenet, OK?
Let's not get overly dramatic here. Anything like this is a tradeoff:
duplicated data creates more work for the networ
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Sorry people... are you actually proposing inserting the same files over and
over? Because you are! You are actually polluting freenet this way by
introducing redundancy of the worst kind: blind redundancy
Freenet is efficient storage because every unique piece of data (in the file
level) has a re
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On Thu, 2002-11-21 at 16:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> so here's my idea.
>
> - we introduce a new MIME-type for the .jar, e.g.
>"application/x-freenet-site-archive"
> - maybe even a new file extension (.fsa = freenet site archive) so we do not stumble
>over normal .jar files, this would just
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject: Re: [freenet-support] ADSL chaos issue
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:59:17 -0500
From: Doug Bostrom
To: support at freenetproject.org
On Thursday 21 November 2002 10:14 am, you wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:26:10AM -0500, Doug Bostrom wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:04:18PM +1100, fish wrote:
> >
> > Consider my freesite for a moment:
> >
> > jaymz at chuckie:~$ du fishland -sh
> > 6.7Mfishland
> >
> > you probably want (assuming you wanted to read fishland, which you don't,
>
Consider my freesite for a moment:
jaymz at chuckie:~$ du fishland -sh
6.7Mfishland
you probably want (assuming you wanted to read fishland, which you don't,
but lets pretend) maybe 100k of that at any given time, unless you're
actully reading through the archives.
to summerise, no :-p
this is analogeous to one of my first lessons that I learned on freenet -
you're not anonymous if someone can work out who you are by reading your
freesite, and that's not as difficult to work out as you think ;)
(hey, how was I to know she'd get a freenet node setup? :-p)
- fish
On Tue
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002, Ian Clarke wrote:
> How about another set of possible SplitFile settings, which would be
> mutually exclusive with the above, that would allow streaming of things
> such as mp3s and oggs:
My onjly issue with the above/below is the using oif the SplitFile prefix,
when they
Oskar,
I appreciate your candid response =) You raise good
points.
--- Oskar Sandberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:22:46AM -0800, Tyler
> Riddle wrote:
> > Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make
> my
> > argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
>
Oskar,
I appreciate your candid response =) You raise good
points.
--- Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:22:46AM -0800, Tyler
> Riddle wrote:
> > Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make
> my
> > argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
> > world examples o
On Thursday 21 November 2002 12:m am, Gianni Johansson wrote:
> Also, someone should put FEC SplitFile support into the C cli
> clients.
Chiming in with a status report; FEC insertion is about 80% complete.
I had to restructure a few things (mainly the hFCP and related structs)
but I believe th
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Subject: Re: [freenet-support] ADSL chaos issue
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:59:17 -0500
From: Doug Bostrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 21 November 2002 10:14 am, you wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:26:10AM -0500, Doug Bostrom
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:42:14PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote:
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalStateException: checkSize failed!
> at
> freenet.support.SimpleDataObjectStore.checkSize(SimpleDataObjectStore.java:197)
> at
> freenet.support.SimpleDataObjectStore.preload(SimpleDataO
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:32:08PM +1100, fish wrote:
<>
> just HTML files is 2.63meg. yeah, it's all html, jpg, and txt.
I think you need to stop using frontpage. :-)
Clearly pages should be able to mix stuff that is in the bundle and
stuff that isn't - so maybe your site would be broken into
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:22:46AM -0800, Tyler Riddle wrote:
> Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make my
> argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
> world examples of why you are wrong as well.
>
> First of all, I have seen you make some completley
> hairbrain assumptions on
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:00:16AM -0500, Jay Oliveri wrote:
> On Thursday 21 November 2002 12:m am, Gianni Johansson wrote:
> > Also, someone should put FEC SplitFile support into the C cli
> > clients.
Unfortunately this is not the main problem. The main problem is that
Frost doesn't do it AFAIK.
Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make my
argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
world examples of why you are wrong as well.
First of all, I have seen you make some completley
hairbrain assumptions on this list in the past
(personaly, your hit/miss ratio with me is about 1/5
Ugh, I really hate personal attacks (as they make my
argument look weak) so I'll temper that with real
world examples of why you are wrong as well.
First of all, I have seen you make some completley
hairbrain assumptions on this list in the past
(personaly, your hit/miss ratio with me is about 1/5
You are correct that edition sites are generaly more
reliable then a DBR site, after all the data can exist
on the network with out having to be inserted each day
which is good. However, do you really think it is a
wise idea to have the most dynamic part of freenet,
that which deals with new sites
On Thursday 21 November 2002 12:m am, Gianni Johansson wrote:
> Also, someone should put FEC SplitFile support into the C cli
> clients.
Chiming in with a status report; FEC insertion is about 80% complete.
I had to restructure a few things (mainly the hFCP and related structs)
but I believe th
You are correct that edition sites are generaly more
reliable then a DBR site, after all the data can exist
on the network with out having to be inserted each day
which is good. However, do you really think it is a
wise idea to have the most dynamic part of freenet,
that which deals with new sites
Tyler Riddle writes:
> This is only a bad idea if you enjoy having RNF and
> DNF ruin your freenet using experience. I suggest you
> actualy try the patch and see how effective it is at
> pulling pages through that DNF at HTL 25 after 3 or 4
> attempts (just leave your page open over night and yo
On November 20, 2002 08:20 pm, Tyler Riddle wrote:
> If Freenet Forever is really going to get removed I
> sugest you replace it with The Index Index:
> SSK at Pqb7VI1DhPl1kaB0p4-CJyFfUUcPAgM/TII//
>
> It is a much beter way, IMNSHO, to organize the
> freesites. Check out the freesite and read the
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:03:49PM +, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:19:06PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:01:03PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote:
> > <>
> > > There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> > > but l
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:26:10AM -0500, Doug Bostrom wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'm reposting an earlier reply to Matthew about an issue that I'm still puzzling
> over. I think Matthew may not have noticed my reply, and I think his original
> reply to my original post about dealing with asymmetri
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:19:06PM +0100, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:01:03PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote:
> <>
> > There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> > but let's not break freenet, OK?
>
> Let's not get overly dramatic here. Anythin
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 07:39:54AM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> Tyler Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > This is only a bad idea if you enjoy having RNF and
> > DNF ruin your freenet using experience. I suggest you
> > actualy try the patch and see how effective it is at
> > pulling pages
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:01:03PM +0200, Costas Dokolas wrote:
<>
> There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> but let's not break freenet, OK?
Let's not get overly dramatic here. Anything like this is a tradeoff:
duplicated data creates more work for the networ
Tyler Riddle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is only a bad idea if you enjoy having RNF and
> DNF ruin your freenet using experience. I suggest you
> actualy try the patch and see how effective it is at
> pulling pages through that DNF at HTL 25 after 3 or 4
> attempts (just leave your page ope
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Costas Dokolas wrote:
> There is indeed a need to improve speed (try saying that 10 times, fast),
> but let's not break freenet, OK?
aww, but breaking freenet is fun!
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Oskar Sandberg wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:32:08PM +1100, fish wrote:
> <>
> > just HTML files is 2.63meg. yeah, it's all html, jpg, and txt.
>
> I think you need to stop using frontpage. :-)
2.63meg of html text isn't actully that much - over a year, it's only
Sorry people... are you actually proposing inserting the same files over and
over? Because you are! You are actually polluting freenet this way by
introducing redundancy of the worst kind: blind redundancy
Freenet is efficient storage because every unique piece of data (in the file
level) has a re
On November 20, 2002 08:20 pm, Tyler Riddle wrote:
> If Freenet Forever is really going to get removed I
> sugest you replace it with The Index Index:
> SSK@Pqb7VI1DhPl1kaB0p4-CJyFfUUcPAgM/TII//
>
> It is a much beter way, IMNSHO, to organize the
> freesites. Check out the freesite and read the
> P
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 23:53, Ian Clarke wrote:
> I was playing with the splitfile stuff, and noticed a few things:
> Right me it is saying Blocks required: 110, Blocks downloaded: 120.
> What is going on?
I'm not sure I can do something about that, but...
> Secondly, I wonder whether th
our site
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 10:42:14PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote:
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalStateException: checkSize failed!
> at freenet.support.SimpleDataObjectStore.checkSize(SimpleDataObjectStore.java:197)
> at freenet.support.SimpleDataObjectStore.preload(SimpleDataObjectS
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:32:08PM +1100, fish wrote:
<>
> just HTML files is 2.63meg. yeah, it's all html, jpg, and txt.
I think you need to stop using frontpage. :-)
Clearly pages should be able to mix stuff that is in the bundle and
stuff that isn't - so maybe your site would be broken into
init:
get-extjar:
compile:
[javac] Compiling 518 source files to
/usr2/giannij_space/freenet_module/freenet/build
[javac]
/usr2/giannij_space/freenet_module/freenet/src/freenet/client/SingleRequestProcess.java:61:
cannot resolve symbol
[javac] symbol : class WrongStateException
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 17:53, Ian wrote:
I think there's a race condition somewhere. That code should be thrown away
pretty soon, so I am not putting any time into debugging it. Once the
blocks are in the local datastore the bug seems to go away. The few times I
have seen it I was abl
Hello all!
Will whomever is in charge of Twiki on www.freenetproject.org please fix
the permissions!
(I sent an email to Ian/Mathew yesterday but it's still broken today)
(If you want more info please email me)
Thanks.
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