l checked plugins are added.
>
> Field add a plugin from a uri (local, web, or freenet) : parse the uri to see
> which case it is, don't let the user do that for you. + button 'add' (add the
> plugin to the list, checked)
Something like that yeah.
>
>
> I think that's all.
>
> Comments are *very* welcome of course :)
On Friday 22 May 2009 18:58:02 Ian Clarke wrote:
> This is exactly the kind of UI review we need.
>
> If nobody disagrees, I suggest that you start filing bug reports in mantis
> with specific suggestions about how to rectify each of these UI bugs.
>
> Ian.
Agreed, most of this should be filed as bugs. But the one thing on which
everything depends is sub-menus, we need to solve that soon.
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I have been watching this debate an I was wondering whether it could
help to have 2 sets of trust values for each identity in a trust list,
this could mean you could mark an identity as spamming or that I don't
want to see these posts again as i find them objectionable.
The spam tag would mean
se who trust the parent identity also as spammers for
purposes of trust list trust (if we trust them; if we don't, it's not our
problem; we are trying to optimise the network *for other people*, particularly
for newbies, here). We can try to be polite about this using ultimatums, since
it's likely that they didn't deliberately choose to trust the spam-parent
knowing he is a spam-parent - but if they don't respond in some period by
removing him from their trust list, we will have to reduce our trust in them.
This will cause collateral damage and may be abused for censorship which might
be even more dangerous than the current problems on FMS. However, if there is a
LOT of spam, or if we want the network to be fairly spam-free for newbies, the
first two options are insufficient. :|
>
> Having the review mechanism available makes sense to me, so long as it
> is not required.
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this?" -- they can do that
> automatically. I think there should be a pair of buttons, "mark
> spammer" and "mark non-spammer."
No, by posting _interesting_ messages. That is, if somebody replies to a
message, by default they gain some trust, but there is a box you can uncheck
... we could even have this turned off by default on test boards?
Nobody will ever bother to click "Mark non-spammer" imho.
>
> Evan Daniel
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> FMS is as good as dead, and that's why I think that invesiting develpers'
> time and effort into WoT and Freetalk is a huge waste: FMS failed because of
> human stupidity and arrogance, and so will Freetalk/WoT, and I really cant
> understand why the devs cant see the obvious (or refuse to
good trust estimates of people I've never seen before?
In FMS, there is currently a simple page, where the latest added identities are
listed and how they
where listed. So if you get many spamming identities and they are all added
from 1 trusted peer,
just remove his trustlist trust and all those new spamming identities wont
reach you.
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Hi all,
First, let's see the current situation :
#Navigation :
9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, but they
aren't all necessary, and can confuse the newbies.
#Browse Freenet page :
The ?Search Freenet? field and bookmarks are definitly a good thing.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
>> - Making CAPTCHA announcement provide some form of short-lived trust,
>> so if
>> the newly introduced identity doesn't get some trust it goes away. This
>> may
>> also be implemented.
>> >>> This would require
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Friday 22 May 2009 15:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote:
>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
>> wrote:
>> > On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbackde at googlemail.com wrote:
>> >> Is'nt his point that the users just won't
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Evan Daniel schrieb:
>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau
>> wrote:
>>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbackde at googlemail.com wrote:
> Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain
evanbd's work on positive trust is worth
considering, see my other email.
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vesiting develpers'
time and effort into WoT and Freetalk is a huge waste: FMS failed because of
human stupidity and arrogance, and so will Freetalk/WoT, and I really cant
understand why the devs cant see the obvious (or refuse to admit it)
> >>
> >> BTW, I dont hate Falafel. Hate costs energy. A lot of it.
> >> --
> >> FAFS - the Freenet Applications FreeSite
> >>
USK at
ugb~uuscsidMI-Ze8laZe~o3BUIb3S50i25RIwDH99M,9T20t3xoG-dQfMO94LGOl9AxRTkaz~TykFY-voqaTQI,AQACAAE/FAFS/47/
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> >> -Don't think out of the box: destroy it!-
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u.
>
> So :
>
> a list of all official plugin with checkbox (already added plugins have a
> checked checkbox) + button configure (greyed if the plugin is not added).
>
> 'apply' button : all unchecked plugin are removed if they were previously
> activated, all checked plugins are added.
>
> Field add a plugin from a uri (local, web, or freenet) : parse the uri to
> see
> which case it is, don't let the user do that for you. + button 'add' (add
> the
> plugin to the list, checked)
>
>
> I think that's all.
>
> Comments are *very* welcome of course :)
> ___
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>> On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbackde at googlemail.com wrote:
>>> Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
>>> I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
wrote:
> On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbackde at googlemail.com wrote:
>> Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
>> I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us
> here?
>
> Advogato with
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us here?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:51, Evan Daniel wrote:
> It's not all that interesting. ?It has been discussed to death many
> times. ?The Advogato
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 12:57 AM, wrote:
> Interesting discussion from Frost, especially the last post at the bottom.
> Its about WoTs in general and why they won't work.
>
There are no (new) interesting bits.
The pain is well known among developers, repeating/explaining won't change it.
If
It's not all that interesting. It has been discussed to death many
times. The Advogato algorithm (or something like it) solves this
problem (not perfectly, but far, far better than the current FMS / WoT
alchemy), as I have explained in great detail.
Evan Daniel
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM,
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us here?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:51, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not all that interesting. It has been discussed to death many
times. The
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us
here?
Advogato with only positive trust introduces a different tradeoff, which is
still a
On Saturday 09 May 2009 17:57:41 gu...@gmx.org wrote:
Interesting discussion from Frost, especially the last post at the bottom.
Its about WoTs in general and why they won't work.
- hahaha...@yle3zhs5lkiwe3fdjyqlcf5+rka - 2009.04.05 -
02:28:11GMT -
I had to forward this
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us
here?
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato help us
here?
Advogato with only positive trust introduces a different
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he meant how can Advogato
Hi all,
First, let's see the current situation :
#Navigation :
9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, but they
aren't all necessary, and can confuse the newbies.
#Browse Freenet page :
The “Search Freenet” field and bookmarks are definitly a good thing.
Evan Daniel schrieb:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the problem that he
FMS is as good as dead, and that's why I think that invesiting develpers'
time and effort into WoT and Freetalk is a huge waste: FMS failed because of
human stupidity and arrogance, and so will Freetalk/WoT, and I really cant
understand why the devs cant see the obvious (or refuse to admit
This is exactly the kind of UI review we need.
If nobody disagrees, I suggest that you start filing bug reports in mantis
with specific suggestions about how to rectify each of these UI bugs.
Ian.
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Clément cvol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
First, let's see
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de wrote:
Evan Daniel schrieb:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just
The java-based installer has been updated. Windows users already see the
windows installer, this is for mac and linux users. The installer no longer
asks about auto-start, plugins or auto-update (all but auto-start are asked
in the first-time wizard), start on reboot support on OS/X should be
On Friday 22 May 2009 15:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists?
I thought that is the
On Friday 22 May 2009 18:59:47 Evan Daniel wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de wrote:
Evan Daniel schrieb:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Sachau m...@tommyserver.de
wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 22 May 2009 15:39:06 Evan Daniel wrote:
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
On Friday 22 May 2009 08:17:55 bbac...@googlemail.com wrote:
Is'nt his
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In contrast, Advogato has multiple levels of trust, and each identity
either trusts or does not trust each other identity at a given level.
...
This implies running Ford-Fulkerson or similar; it's more complicated
than the current system, though
On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Clément wrote:
Hi all,
First, let's see the current situation :
#Navigation :
9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, but
they
aren't all necessary, and can confuse the newbies.
Agreed, we need sub-menus.
#Browse
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Toseland
t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:
- Making CAPTCHA announcement provide some form of short-lived trust,
so if
the newly introduced identity doesn't get some trust it goes away. This
may
also be implemented.
This would require adding
Le vendredi 22 mai 2009 23:38:35, Matthew Toseland a écrit :
On Friday 22 May 2009 17:31:46 Clément wrote:
Hi all,
First, let's see the current situation :
#Navigation :
9 items is really the max we can afford. Currently there are 9 items, but
they aren't all necessary, and can
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