[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2011-01-01 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 December 2010 19:32:31 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Tuesday 21 December 2010 00:42:53 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > On Friday 03 December 2010

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2011-01-01 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 23 December 2010 19:32:31 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2010 00:42:53 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 21 December 2010 00:42:53 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: > > > > > > It is a hard problem. But our

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 21 December 2010 00:42:53 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: > > On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: > > > > > It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been > > > > > terribly > > > > > honest IMHO. >

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 19 December 2010 15:41:04 Lennart Ackermans wrote: > The current texts are indeed very easy to understand, but not very clear to > me. Most importantly, I don't get why darknet mode improves security. > > I'm assuming that security in this case means anonymity. But when you add >

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 19 December 2010 15:41:04 Lennart Ackermans wrote: The current texts are indeed very easy to understand, but not very clear to me. Most importantly, I don't get why darknet mode improves security. I'm assuming that security in this case means anonymity. But when you add friends,

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 17 December 2010 15:50:11 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly honest IMHO. We were

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-19 Thread Lennart Ackermans
The current texts are indeed very easy to understand, but not very clear to me. Most importantly, I don't get why darknet mode improves security. I'm assuming that security in this case means anonymity. But when you add friends, they can connect your freenet identity to your real life identity.

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-17 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: > > > > It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly > > > > honest IMHO. > > > > We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-17 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 07 December 2010 17:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly honest IMHO. We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 01:08:51 David ?Bombe? Roden wrote: > On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: > > > But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net > > that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? > > That would allow a

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread David ‘Bombe’ Roden
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: > But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net > that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? That would allow a direct connection between a WoT identity and an IP address? unless I understood

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-08 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 01:08:51 David ‘Bombe’ Roden wrote: On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? That would allow a direct

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-07 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Tuesday 07 December 2010 12:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: > > > > It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly > > > > honest IMHO. > > > > We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the "Barlow" attack against opennet

2010-12-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: > > > It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly > > > honest IMHO. > > We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words > (installer?) what freenet's security is all about and how to "warn"

[freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-07 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly honest IMHO. We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words (installer?) what freenet's security is all about and how to warn them of

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-07 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Tuesday 07 December 2010 12:21:07 Matthew Toseland wrote: On Friday 03 December 2010 19:15:22 Klaus Koch wrote: It is a hard problem. But our traditional approach hasn't been terribly honest IMHO. We were talking on #freenet on how to explain new users in a few words

Re: [freenet-dev] Darknet vs opennet wording? was Re: Addressing the Barlow attack against opennet

2010-12-07 Thread David ‘Bombe’ Roden
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 00:44:51 Ed Tomlinson wrote: But as you said previously no one uses darknet. How about a semi open net that uses a WOT attribute to decide what nodes to trust? That would allow a direct connection between a WoT identity and an IP address— unless I understood you