Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-23 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On July 22, 2003 08:41 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:30:16PM -0400, Andrew Rodland wrote: > > Please don't let's forget that random first hop is the only thing that > > makes retrying of any use after we reach HTL=25 and want to keep trying, > > because of ftable. And I think t

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:05:28AM +0100, Toad wrote: > The main argument put forward at the time was to prevent the network > from dividing into islands, or to stitch it back together when they did > form. Yes, however there has never been a single known instance of this happening, either in rea

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Ian Clarke
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:30:16PM -0400, Andrew Rodland wrote: > Please don't let's forget that random first hop is the only thing that > makes retrying of any use after we reach HTL=25 and want to keep trying, > because of ftable. And I think that people will agree with me, that as > it stands

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Juiceman
ly 22, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1 Ian Clarke wrote:||Bottom line, the whole random routing thing was a solution to a problem|that nobody ever observed, and in all liklihood - would never|actually

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Toad
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 11:45:59AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Toad wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:40:18AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > > > routing at random as a security me

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 06:05 pm, Toad wrote: > The main argument put forward at the time was to prevent the network > from dividing into islands, or to stitch it back together when they did > form. However, random routing every request on the origin node is not the > only way to deal with it - one

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-22 Thread Andrew Rodland
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Clarke wrote: | |Bottom line, the whole random routing thing was a solution to a problem |that nobody ever observed, and in all liklihood - would never |actually occur in practice. Please don't let's forget that random first hop is the only thing t

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-21 Thread Ian Clarke
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Toad wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:40:18AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > > routing at random as a security measure. > > > > Translating this over to NGrouting, I suggest that f

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-21 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 11:40:18AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > routing at random as a security measure. > > Translating this over to NGrouting, I suggest that for the first hop in > a request, instead of using the RTE to es

RE: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-04 Thread Niklas Bergh
> On July 3, 2003 03:11 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:46:39PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 01:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > > step in routing at random as a security measure. > > > > > > Forgive my ignorance, but how does this provide security?

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-04 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On July 3, 2003 03:11 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:46:39PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 01:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > > > routing at random as a security measure. > > > >

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-04 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On July 3, 2003 02:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > routing at random as a security measure. > > Translating this over to NGrouting, I suggest that for the first hop in > a request, instead of using the RTE to estimate the per-key

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-03 Thread Toad
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 12:11:59PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:46:39PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > On Thursday 03 July 2003 01:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > > > routing at random as a security m

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-03 Thread Ian Clarke
On Thu, Jul 03, 2003 at 01:46:39PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Thursday 03 July 2003 01:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > > routing at random as a security measure. > > Forgive my ignorance, but how does this provide securit

Re: [freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Thursday 03 July 2003 01:40 pm, Ian Clarke wrote: > If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in > routing at random as a security measure. Forgive my ignorance, but how does this provide security? ___ devl mailing list [EMA

[freenet-dev] NGrouting and random first step

2003-07-03 Thread Ian Clarke
If my memory serves me correctly, we currently select the first step in routing at random as a security measure. Translating this over to NGrouting, I suggest that for the first hop in a request, instead of using the RTE to estimate the per-key request time estimate, we use a random number betw