Re: Java > Scala

On 11/30/2011 11:37 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Obviously that's not to say that there aren't good or even great programmers who have been through college/uni/academia/etc. Hell, Walter and Andrei are among the best programmers I know. I don't know about Andrei, but my degree is in Mechanical En

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

On 11/30/2011 09:00 PM, Abrahm wrote: > "Dejan Lekic" wrote in message > news:jb5gmk$2i10$1...@digitalmars.com... >> write the same code in C++, and you will understand. > > Wrong answer. It borders on trying to bullshit me. Just don't do that. > (You have been warned). And I have informed you

They are right, of course

You, on the other hand, are those who exploit fundamental humanities for personal gain. AKA, rapists. Schools imposing taxes on property, rampant breeding, imposition based upon that. You have no values. You have no substance. You go to church on sunday. You watch a movie (why anyone would make

Re: Please remove misleading examples from D's website

> Then we need documentation versioning. Choose your version and get the > current documentation. Things not in the current version shouldn't exist > in its documentation. Again I disagree. Deprecated and/or removed things should be in every documentation. Perhaps a whole section called "Removed

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

2011/11/30 Abrahm : > I get the feeling that it is from reading the threads in here. Is there > somewhere that has non-trivial D and C++ code that does the same thing, > side by side, so that I can evaluate D better? Links if you got 'em > please. Maybe even a small entire application would be good

Re: Java > Scala

On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:08 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: [...] > When you can implement a competitive malloc() using Java, I'll believe it has > reached parity. There's a reason why the JVM is itself implemented in C, not > Java. D's runtime is implemented in D. This is like trying to compare app

Re: Java > Scala

On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 00:48 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: [...] > I used to be intimately familiar with the JVM, I even wrote a gc for it. The > bytecode ops in it are designed for Java, nothing more. Worse, it's a > primitive > stack machine. To generate even passably good native code, the JVM ha

Re: Java > Scala

On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 21:52 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: > The difference likely has little to do with native vs JVM, but more likely is > heavily dependent on how well regex is implemented. It might be interesting to expose this regex implementation aspect as a benchmark in itself. And add Go to

building DWT2 (was Re: wxC & wxD)

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:03:27 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: > "rake base swt snippets" > > If I recall correctly. You can run "rake -T" to see what build > targets are available. To build DWT you need these system libraries: No experience at all with Java/SWT...downloaded hg repo and tried: [gour

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 1:26 AM, Russel Winder wrote: I think this thread has shown that D folk need to accept that Java is a critical platform out there and will be for many years to come. I understand that. Java isn't going anywhere. I was only addressing the idea that the Java bytecode is a burden for

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 1:44 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Promoting D gains nothing by pointing out things about Java -- however interesting the points may be to some of us. We're talking on the n.g. here, I'm not writing articles comparing Java to D. For example, you cannot pass by value anything other th

Re: Java > Scala

On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 21:52:38 Walter Bright wrote: > The difference likely has little to do with native vs JVM, but more likely > is heavily dependent on how well regex is implemented. Which begs the question as to how well D would do with the new std.regex. - Jonathan M Davis

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 1:58 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 21:52:38 Walter Bright wrote: The difference likely has little to do with native vs JVM, but more likely is heavily dependent on how well regex is implemented. Which begs the question as to how well D would do with t

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:19:01 -0800 Walter Bright wrote: > > This activity almost started with the effort to create new websites > > and new imagery around D, but it all seems to have stalled. > > Which ones do you want to help with? I'd like to help with GUI bindings if D community would come m

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

Le 01/12/2011 05:32, Abrahm a écrit : "Jesse Phillips" wrote in message news:jb6qfv$1kut$1...@digitalmars.com... What bearophile was referring to was the use of templates is common. Are you sure about that? What say you Bear? D's templates have the advantage of being easier on the eyes and

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 2:42 AM, Gour wrote: I'd like to help with GUI bindings if D community would come more close together here with some people ready to lead the herd... Why not you lead the effort?

Re: boost crowd.

On 11/29/2011 1:46 AM, Peter Alexander wrote: Which means you also get a horrible O(n) algorithm for something that should be a couple of compares. Why DMD does this is beyond me. I did it to get it up and running, and haven't revisited that yet. Global float arrays can bloat executables as

Re: Java > Scala

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:04:13 -, Timon Gehr wrote: The quite common claim that you cannot use Phobos without cluttering up all your code with allocations is just not true. Phobos is not an Object-oriented class library. There are seldom hidden allocations, and it is almost always obviou

Re: Java > Scala

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:52:49 -, Paulo Pinto wrote: Well doing lots of transactions per second while aggregating data from network elements scattered across mobile network stations seems quite a lot of work to me. I wasn't suggesting it wasn't "a lot" but that you could "do more" with th

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:59:45 -0800 Walter Bright wrote: > Why not you lead the effort? Lack of skills: both D and with GUI toolkits...let's hope someone more capable will chime in. Sincerely, Gour -- Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the futu

Re: Java > Scala

> I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is > that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same > or more. With a 'simpler to write' 'quicker to write' language like Java > (where you don't have to learn things like manual memory mana

Re: Java > Scala

On 2011-12-01 12:26, Regan Heath wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:04:13 -, Timon Gehr wrote: The quite common claim that you cannot use Phobos without cluttering up all your code with allocations is just not true. Phobos is not an Object-oriented class library. There are seldom hidden allocat

Re: building DWT2 (was Re: wxC & wxD)

On 2011-12-01 11:05, Gour wrote: On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:03:27 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: "rake base swt snippets" If I recall correctly. You can run "rake -T" to see what build targets are available. To build DWT you need these system libraries: No experience at all with Java/SWT...downloa

Re: Java > Scala

On 2011-12-01 12:44, Gour wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 02:59:45 -0800 Walter Bright wrote: Why not you lead the effort? Lack of skills: both D and with GUI toolkits...let's hope someone more capable will chime in. I hope that I will eventually have time to continue developing DWT. -- /Jacob

Re: Java > Scala

David Eagen: > I admit to being very new to D so perhaps I'm really doing something wrong. This program uses string hashing, regular expressions, and by line file iteration. Those are among the most common operations done by script-like programs. Some suggestions for your D code: - Use the new

what

I am the only one to notice Ann Coulter looking so , wow? No I don't love her. Nuh uh. No way. ("god will save me from... whoa" ) ... I thinkk I know whaat's wrong... woww... Hose me down.

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

On 11/30/2011 11:32 PM, Abrahm wrote: "Jesse Phillips" wrote in message news:jb6qfv$1kut$1...@digitalmars.com... What bearophile was referring to was the use of templates is common. Are you sure about that? What say you Bear? D's templates have the advantage of being easier on the eyes and

Re: building DWT2

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:29:41 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: > You need to build the "base" library as well, run "rake base swt". > The "base" library contains a port of a small part of the Java core > API's, this makes it easier to port SWT. [gour@atmarama dwt2-c43718956f21] rake base swt /home/gou

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:33:30 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: > I hope that I will eventually have time to continue developing DWT. I also have to receive definite answer on which toolkit to focus for our project...If it becomes DWT... Sincerely, Gour -- From anger, complete delusion arises, and

Re: Concurrency.

On 12/01/2011 02:06 AM, Sean Kelly wrote: On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, November 28, 2011 10:28:34 Debdatta wrote: Let me get this straight. Instances are shared... and marking a class shared marks all its members shared? If what you said were true, it would b

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:24:13 -, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2011-12-01 12:26, Regan Heath wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:04:13 -, Timon Gehr wrote: The quite common claim that you cannot use Phobos without cluttering up all your code with allocations is just not true. Phobos is not an

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:59:38 -, Patrick Stewart wrote: I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same or more. With a 'simpler to write' 'quicker to write' language like Java (whe

Re: building DWT2

On 2011-12-01 15:09, Gour wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:29:41 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: You need to build the "base" library as well, run "rake base swt". The "base" library contains a port of a small part of the Java core API's, this makes it easier to port SWT. [gour@atmarama dwt2-c43718

Re: Concurrency.

On 12/01/2011 03:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 17:06:22 Sean Kelly wrote: On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, November 28, 2011 10:28:34 Debdatta wrote: Let me get this straight. Instances are shared... and marking a class shared mar

Re: Concurrency.

On 12/01/2011 04:51 PM, Timon Gehr wrote: On 12/01/2011 03:29 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 17:06:22 Sean Kelly wrote: On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:54 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Monday, November 28, 2011 10:28:34 Debdatta wrote: Let me get this straight. Instances a

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

On 12/01/2011 06:34 AM, bcs wrote: On 11/30/2011 08:47 PM, Abrahm wrote: "bcs" wrote in message A while back I built a tool to do automatic translation of C# to D1. Oh, so you prefer the easy tasks then! Noted. (Embedded sarcasm defined: Try going from D to C#! A very much harder, end of the

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

> > You *really* have zero idea what my point is don't you? I think Abrahm is a bot or someone who is constantly high. But the first seems a more plausable explanation.

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

2011/12/1 Dejan Lekic > > > > > You *really* have zero idea what my point is don't you? > > I think Abrahm is a bot or someone who is constantly high. But the first > seems a more plausable explanation. > yeah, I also noticed some strange problems with him. Posting over 10 messages in a row with

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/01/2011 12:26 PM, Regan Heath wrote: On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:04:13 -, Timon Gehr wrote: The quite common claim that you cannot use Phobos without cluttering up all your code with allocations is just not true. Phobos is not an Object-oriented class library. There are seldom hidden allo

Re: building DWT2

On 12/01/2011 04:45 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2011-12-01 15:09, Gour wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:29:41 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: You need to build the "base" library as well, run "rake base swt". The "base" library contains a port of a small part of the Java core API's, this makes it ea

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 1:44 AM, Russel Winder wrote: Is the desire to make D a well used language? If so the tenor of threads like this in this news group needs to change dramatically. Bitching about things is the sign of a community ill at ease with its own failure to become part of the mainstream. Just

link error

// a.d struct demo { char lin1; char lin2; . .. ... char lin707; } dmd.exe -c "a.d" -of "a.obj" -gc -debug dmd.exe "a.obj" -gc -debug -L/IMPLIB:a.lib -ofa.dll It does not work

Re: Java > Scala

On 11/30/11 9:47 PM, David Eagen wrote: Recently I needed to analyze some mail logs. I needed to find the hosts that were sending mail and how many lines in the log existed for each host. Thinking this would be perfect for natively compiled code in D I first wrote a D app. I then wrote it in perl

dll error

a.d import core.runtime; import core.sys.windows.windows; import core.sys.windows.dll; //import mach3plugins; __gshared HINSTANCE g_hInst; extern (Windows) BOOL DllMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, ULONG ulReason, LPVOID pvReserved) { switch (ulReason) { case DL

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 1:58 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 21:52:38 Walter Bright wrote: The difference likely has little to do with native vs JVM, but more likely is heavily dependent on how well regex is implemented. Which begs the question as to how well D would do with the

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 2:59 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/1/2011 2:42 AM, Gour wrote: I'd like to help with GUI bindings if D community would come more close together here with some people ready to lead the herd... Why not you lead the effort? http://goo.gl/g60RV Andrei

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 3:38 AM, Regan Heath wrote: I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same or more. Well, that trend may be stalling. Andrei

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 3:44 AM, Gour wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Why not you lead the effort? Lack of skills: both D and with GUI toolkits Don't let that stop you - I'm serious. The best way to learn is by diving in.

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/2011 6:10 AM, Gour wrote: On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:33:30 +0100 Jacob Carlborg wrote: I hope that I will eventually have time to continue developing DWT. I also have to receive definite answer on which toolkit to focus for our project...If it becomes DWT... At some point, it doesn't m

Re: Java > Scala

On Thursday, December 01, 2011 09:07:30 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > On 12/1/11 1:58 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 21:52:38 Walter Bright wrote: > >> The difference likely has little to do with native vs JVM, but more > >> likely is heavily dependent on how well re

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 9:03 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 11/30/11 9:47 PM, David Eagen wrote: Recently I needed to analyze some mail logs. I needed to find the hosts that were sending mail and how many lines in the log existed for each host. Thinking this would be perfect for natively compiled code in

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > One more thing before I forget - you may want to use byLine() for input. Boo byLine! http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7022

Re: Java > Scala

Am 01.12.2011, 18:03 Uhr, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu : On 11/30/11 9:47 PM, David Eagen wrote: Recently I needed to analyze some mail logs. I needed to find the hosts that were sending mail and how many lines in the log existed for each host. Thinking this would be perfect for natively compi

Re: Java > Scala

Am 01.12.2011, 14:29 Uhr, schrieb bearophile : David Eagen: I admit to being very new to D so perhaps I'm really doing something wrong. This program uses string hashing, regular expressions, and by line file iteration. Those are among the most common operations done by script-like progr

Re: link error

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 00:58:23 +0800 "sdv" wrote: > // a.d > struct demo > { > char lin1; > char lin2; > . > .. > ... > > char lin707; > } > > dmd.exe -c "a.d" -of "a.obj" -gc -debug > dmd.exe "a.obj" -gc -debug -L/IMPLIB:a.lib -ofa.dll > > It does not work > >

Re: Java > Scala

On 12/1/11 10:51 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 12/1/11, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: One more thing before I forget - you may want to use byLine() for input. Boo byLine! http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7022 The implementation has been historically warped to account for bugs in

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Wed, 2011-11-30 at 23:08 -0800, Walter Bright wrote: > [...] > > When you can implement a competitive malloc() using Java, I'll believe > it has > > reached parity. There's a reason why the JVM is itself implemented in C, > not > > Java. D

Re: Please remove misleading examples from D's website

Am 01.12.2011, 09:34 Uhr, schrieb Dejan Lekic : Then we need documentation versioning. Choose your version and get the current documentation. Things not in the current version shouldn't exist in its documentation. Again I disagree. Deprecated and/or removed things should be in every document

Re: Java > Scala

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:54:48 +0100 "Marco Leise" wrote: > Ok, so this is how you can optimize the program. Actually these suggestions weren't about optimization. Bearophile is big on consistency and style. For example you don't use the built in sort because it should not exist, and std.algorith

The current status of D?

Simple question, though not necessarily a simple answer: Is D ready for prime time? Sub-questions: 1. How stable is the language specification? 2. How stable is the language implementation? 3. How stable are the standard library specifications? 4. How stable are the standard library implantation

Re: dll error

On 01.12.2011 18:01, sdv wrote: a.d import core.runtime; import core.sys.windows.windows; import core.sys.windows.dll; //import mach3plugins; __gshared HINSTANCE g_hInst; extern (Windows) BOOL DllMain(HINSTANCE hInstance, ULONG ulReason, LPVOID pvReserved) { s

Re: Java > Scala

Am 01.12.2011 18:12, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: On 12/1/11 3:38 AM, Regan Heath wrote: I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same or more. Well, that trend may be stalling. Andrei I

Re: Java > Scala

Am 01.12.2011 12:59, schrieb Patrick Stewart: I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same or more. With a 'simpler to write' 'quicker to write' language like Java (where you don't have to le

Re: Java > Scala

Paulo Pinto Wrote: > Am 01.12.2011 12:59, schrieb Patrick Stewart: > >> I think one reason for the movement toward Java and JVM style languages is > >> that hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper, and developers cost the same > >> or more. With a 'simpler to write' 'quicker to write' language li

Re: The current status of D?

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:24:40 + (UTC) Buk wrote: > Simple question, though not necessarily a simple answer: > > Is D ready for prime time? This is a hard question indeed. It is ready to be used, and even in production, but not blindly. > Sub-questions: > > 1. How stable is the language spe

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

On 12/01/2011 08:02 AM, Timon Gehr wrote: On 12/01/2011 06:34 AM, bcs wrote: On 11/30/2011 08:47 PM, Abrahm wrote: "bcs" wrote in message A while back I built a tool to do automatic translation of C# to D1. Oh, so you prefer the easy tasks then! Noted. (Embedded sarcasm defined: Try going fr

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

On 11/30/2011 08:32 PM, Abrahm wrote: "Jesse Phillips" wrote in message news:jb6qfv$1kut$1...@digitalmars.com... What bearophile was referring to was the use of templates is common. Are you sure about that? What say you Bear? D's templates have the advantage of being easier on the eyes and

Re: Java > Scala

"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message news:jb8hvh$2sdl$1...@digitalmars.com... This is a good benchmark for I/O and a practical regex. David, could you please send (privately if you want) the file or some statistics about it (bytes, lines, a representative sample)? Thanks! One more thing befor

Re: Java > Scala

"Paulo Pinto" wrote in message news:jb93uf$2eq5$1...@digitalmars.com... > > Recently I tried to call for attention to our local team that alongside > JVM and .Net projects, we could tackle some C++. I even gave WinRT, > iPhone, Facebook's PHP->C++ compiler, Qt and Android NDK as examples. > > The

Re: Java > Scala

On Friday, December 02, 2011 01:07:51 Nick Sabalausky wrote: > "Paulo Pinto" wrote in message > news:jb93uf$2eq5$1...@digitalmars.com... > > > Recently I tried to call for attention to our local team that alongside > > JVM and .Net projects, we could tackle some C++. I even gave WinRT, > > iPhone

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

bcs wrote: > On 12/01/2011 08:02 AM, Timon Gehr wrote: >> On 12/01/2011 06:34 AM, bcs wrote: >>> On 11/30/2011 08:47 PM, Abrahm wrote: "bcs" wrote in message > A while back I built a tool to do automatic translation of C# to > D1. Oh, so you prefer the easy tasks then! Noted.

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

maarten van damme wrote: > 2011/12/1 Dejan Lekic > >> >>> >>> You *really* have zero idea what my point is don't you? >> >> I think Abrahm is a bot or someone who is constantly high. But the >> first seems a more plausable explanation. >> > > yeah, I also noticed some strange problems with him. Po

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

dsimcha wrote: > On 11/30/2011 11:32 PM, Abrahm wrote: >> "Jesse Phillips" wrote in message >> news:jb6qfv$1kut$1...@digitalmars.com... >>> What bearophile was referring to was the use of templates is common. >> >> Are you sure about that? What say you Bear? >> >>> D's >>> templates have the advan

Re: Is D more cryptic than C++?

bcs wrote: > On 11/30/2011 08:32 PM, Abrahm wrote: >> "Jesse Phillips" wrote in message >> news:jb6qfv$1kut$1...@digitalmars.com... >>> What bearophile was referring to was the use of templates is common. >> >> Are you sure about that? What say you Bear? >> >>> D's >>> templates have the advantage

You know, about me...

You were expecting another joke? I forgot what I was going to say.

Oh, I remember now..

who the fuc cares who the fuc you are. I don't need to read wikipedia, to give you my pain, because fuck you ten times, you suck ten more times, that I would even consider posting a message saying that I love my pain, and can mold it, etc. It's just something I read, huh.

Re: The current status of D?

On 12/1/2011 1:24 PM, Buk wrote: Is D ready for prime time? Idk, the fact that I run across transitive-const-related situations like stackoverflow.com/questions/7948612/annoying-transitive-const-ness-issue-in-d

Re: Java > Scala

On 2011-12-01 18:58, Walter Bright wrote: On 12/1/2011 3:44 AM, Gour wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Why not you lead the effort? Lack of skills: both D and with GUI toolkits Don't let that stop you - I'm serious. The best way to learn is by diving in. I completely agree. With most of the proj

Or maybe,

Maybe that wasn't an or. Maybe I Maybe I don't have shit to say to any of you. Surely I don't.. I really don't see a way out of this. And if you are not a fucking idiot, you see what I wrote is a lie.

Re: Java > Scala

Am 01.12.2011, 21:29 Uhr, schrieb Jesse Phillips : On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:54:48 +0100 "Marco Leise" wrote: Ok, so this is how you can optimize the program. Actually these suggestions weren't about optimization. Bearophile is big on consistency and style. For example you don't use the buil