On 23-Jul-12 10:47, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
On 23-Jul-12 10:30, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
Well you're the resident crazy-stuff-during-compilation guy.
Ah! I wish.
I had this wonderful idea of having code be parsed at CT, semantically
On 7/23/12 2:39 AM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2012-07-22 16:28, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Something like that. Note that such a query is not particularly OO-ish,
because getting a class' cone (totality of subclasses) works against the
modularity that inheritance is meant for. I don't think we s
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:41 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
> On 23-Jul-12 10:30, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Well you're the resident crazy-stuff-during-compilation guy.
>>
>>
>> Ah! I wish.
>>
>> I had this wonderful idea of having code be parsed at CT, semantically
>> analyzed, transformed in
On 7/22/2012 6:12 AM, Stuart wrote:
Okay, but if you had a keyword - say, "extern(rawC)" - that did no mangling
whatsoever, then I could run implib without manually editing every single damn
line in every Microsoft .def file by hand!!! Surely that's a good idea?
I agree, it's a pain, and a poin
On 23-Jul-12 10:30, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
Well you're the resident crazy-stuff-during-compilation guy.
Ah! I wish.
I had this wonderful idea of having code be parsed at CT, semantically
analyzed, transformed into some machine code at CT and... , oh wait.
I kind of did it...
regex pattern
On 2012-07-22 16:28, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Something like that. Note that such a query is not particularly OO-ish,
because getting a class' cone (totality of subclasses) works against the
modularity that inheritance is meant for. I don't think we should make
getting class cones particularly
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 21:10:08 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
On 7/22/12 12:32 PM, David Nadlinger wrote:
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 03:06:28 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote:
Where is argmin defined? I couldn't find it.
On the slide before that… ;)
I think argmin is intuitive, popular, and us
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Andrej Mitrovic
wrote:
> On 7/22/12, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
>> 2) Why classes, as opposed to structs?
>
> I think either way you'd need reference semantics.
Yeah, I agree, reference semantics look better.
And since there is a lot of duplication (struct info is a
On 2012-07-22 02:16, Kapps wrote:
I agree with most things proposed, however I am not a fan of the idea of
mixing in runtime reflection info. Many times, you want reflection info
from a type that is not your own, and thus I believe reflection should
be generated by specifying a type. More importa
On 2012-07-22 06:48, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
P.S. What this thing wit quoting a long message to make a 1-line point?
Is that a thing?
It's the new hip thing :)
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On 2012-07-22 14:04, deadalnix wrote:
I'd expect from std.reflection that it is able to reflect recursively
from the marked starting point.
I really hope so.
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On 2012-07-21 23:44, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Walter and I discussed the idea below a long time (years) ago. Most
likely it's also been discussed in this newsgroup a couple of times.
Given the state of the compiler back then, back then it seemed like a
super cool idea that's entirely realizable
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Max Samukha wrote:
> The language does not allow you to use CTFE parameter values as arguments to
> __traits/templates. Therefore, to be able to build meta-objects at
> compile-time, you would have to:
>
> static info = getModuleInfo!"std.algorithm";
Maybe I don'
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> std.reflection could become the lynchpin for dynamic library use; once the
> library is loaded (with dlopen or such), the client needs to call
> getModuleInfo() (a C function that can be found with dlsym()) and then get
> access to poi
On 2012-07-22 15:12, Stuart wrote:
I don't know why implib is ignoring the /s switch, but it is. My .lib
file doesn't have underscores, and there doesn't seem to be much I can
do about it. Do I need a different version of implib or something?
Shouldn't the /s switch add underscores to everything
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:58:20 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
>
> Marmalade, from what I see, is some sort of meta-platform you can use
> to write something that works everywhere. It adds a new layer of
> abstraction that can work on top of each platform. Good for them and
> their developers, but I
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:15:06 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 22.07.2012 21:28, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:24:19 +0200
> > Paulo Pinto wrote:
> >
> >> Am 22.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> >>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:14:12 +0200
> >>> "Stuart" wrote:
> Let m
On 23-Jul-12 07:05, deadalnix wrote:
On 23/07/2012 01:35, bearophile wrote:
A discussion appeared few days ago on Reddit, about computed gotos:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/wld04/eli_benderskys_website_computed_goto_for/
http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/07/12/computed-goto-f
On 23/07/2012 01:35, bearophile wrote:
A discussion appeared few days ago on Reddit, about computed gotos:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/wld04/eli_benderskys_website_computed_goto_for/
http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/07/12/computed-goto-for-efficient-dispatch-tables/
The p
The Haskell GHC compiler supports the syntax to specify "rewrite
rules", usually written in library code:
http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.0.3/html/users_guide/rewrite-rules.html
http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/RewriteRules
http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/GHC/Using_rules
They are
A discussion appeared few days ago on Reddit, about computed
gotos:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/wld04/eli_benderskys_website_computed_goto_for/
http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/07/12/computed-goto-for-efficient-dispatch-tables/
Computed gotos are useful to write interpreters.
On 16/07/12 01:42, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
I'm only against the proposed versioning scheme because I think that we need
to stabilize things better (e.g. actually have all of the features that TDPL
lists fully implemented) before we move to it. But I fully support moving to
this sort of scheme in
On 2012-07-22 19:05:45 +, Nick Sabalausky
said:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:19:12 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
On 2012-07-21 19:51:37 +, Nick Sabalausky
said:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:47:06 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
And also, more and more it'd require ARM support to be competitive
in
Am 22.07.2012 21:28, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:24:19 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
Am 22.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:14:12 +0200
"Stuart" wrote:
Let me just add, I really *like* the terse syntax of D. Lambdas,
uniform function call syntax
On 7/22/12 12:32 PM, David Nadlinger wrote:
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 03:06:28 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote:
Where is argmin defined? I couldn't find it.
On the slide before that… ;)
I think argmin is intuitive, popular, and useful enough to warrant a
presence in std.algorithm. Would anyone wan
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:24:19 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 22.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:14:12 +0200
> > "Stuart" wrote:
> >> Let me just add, I really *like* the terse syntax of D. Lambdas,
> >> uniform function call syntax, and so on.
> >>
> >
> > Yea. I
Am 22.07.2012 20:46, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:23 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
y :=&x[0]
fmt.Println("Base adress ", y)
size := unsafe.Sizeof(x[0])
fmt.Println("Size per element ", size)
for i := 0; i< len(x); i++ {
c
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:19:12 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
> On 2012-07-21 19:51:37 +, Nick Sabalausky
> said:
>
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:47:06 -0400
> > Michel Fortin wrote:
> >>
> >> And also, more and more it'd require ARM support to be competitive
> >> in the GUI area.
> >
> > Yes. B
On 7/16/12, Walter Bright wrote:
> The COFF route is the shortest route to doing it, and the most practical for
> attracting devs, which is why it's the way we're going.
Anyone know if MinGW and VC++ COFF object files are linkable? I might
have even done this before without knowing, but I don't
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:23 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
> y := &x[0]
> fmt.Println("Base adress ", y)
> size := unsafe.Sizeof(x[0])
> fmt.Println("Size per element ", size)
> for i := 0; i < len(x); i++ {
> cell := uint64(uintptr(unsafe.Pointer(y))) +
> (u
Just curious, do you know if Alexander Stepanov uses D or not?
Am 22.07.2012 00:16, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:14:12 +0200
"Stuart" wrote:
Let me just add, I really *like* the terse syntax of D. Lambdas,
uniform function call syntax, and so on.
Yea. I used Java in college and ever since then I've been a fan of
non-verbose systax - i
"Kagamin" writes:
> On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 14:28:45 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Yah, ideally all entities definable in a D module should be
>> available via reflection. But I focused on things that e.g. the user
>> of a dynamically-loaded library would be interested in: functions,
>> c
On 22-07-2012 18:37, Damian wrote:
Are there any plans to provide an alternative solution in Phobos, now
that it's been removed?
I think it's something we can start looking at once we have
std.reflection figured out (see relevant thread in this newsgroup). Once
std.reflection exists, there is
Are there any plans to provide an alternative solution in Phobos,
now that it's been removed?
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 03:06:28 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote:
Where is argmin defined? I couldn't find it.
On the slide before that… ;)
David
Am 22.07.2012 17:26, schrieb 11:
Question is simple: how do I write stand-alone programs with D and how
to link them with asm?
This should get you started,
http://wiki.osdev.org/D_Bare_Bones
Am 22.07.2012 14:19, schrieb Michel Fortin:
On 2012-07-21 19:51:37 +, Nick Sabalausky
said:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:47:06 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
And also, more and more it'd require ARM support to be competitive in
the GUI area.
Yes. But there's an even bigger reason for ARM: Mobil
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 15:26:12 UTC, 11 wrote:
Question is simple: how do I write stand-alone programs with D
and how to link them with asm?
Please, ask your questions in the
http://forum.dlang.org/group/digitalmars.D.learn forum.
Am 22.07.2012 10:42, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:24 -0700
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:10:43 Paulo Pinto wrote:
Am 22.07.2012 01:13, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:41:05 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
Regarding systems programming, Go
On 7/22/12, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
> 2) Why classes, as opposed to structs?
I think either way you'd need reference semantics. For example maybe
you're doing code-generation at compile-time but you need to rename a
class name in a typeinfo returned by std.reflection before doing any
processign. W
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 14:28:45 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Yah, ideally all entities definable in a D module should be
available via reflection. But I focused on things that e.g. the
user of a dynamically-loaded library would be interested in:
functions, classes.
Plugins are usually
On Jul 22, 2012, at 6:12 AM, "Stuart" wrote:
> On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 07:01:50 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
>> This is a very old issue. To be compatible with the output of the Microsoft
>> C compiler, the Windows calling convention is:
>>
>> _name@nn
>>
>> but somehow Microsoft left off th
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 13:04:18 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote:
I hit some of the problems you described a little while ago.
Jonathan and I came to the conclusion that the best solution is
to default to the same element type as the passed range, while
allowing any type which the element type is
Question is simple: how do I write stand-alone programs with D
and how to link them with asm?
On Saturday, 21 July 2012 at 21:44:52 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Please chime in with thoughts. Would someone want to pioneer
this project?
There are some questions.
1. static info = getModuleInfo("std.algorithm");
The language does not allow you to use CTFE parameter values as
ar
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 03:06:28 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote:
Where is argmin defined? I couldn't find it.
Jens
Argmin don't exist, but it could, and that's what counts. The
important thing in these slides is proof of concept, rather than
actual code snippets.
However, std.algorithm does have
On 7/22/12 9:39 AM, Philippe Sigaud wrote:
1) About templates, would class/struct/function templates be in there?
As in:
class Foo(T,U) { ... }
=>
class TemplateInfo {
@property:
string name();
FunctionInfo[] functions();
ClassInfo[] classes();
TemplateInfo[] templates(); //
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 1:46 PM, monarch_dodra wrote:
> ...But I think it has one major drawback: You can't specify the type of the
> array you want. For example, if you have a range of ints, and you'd want to
> duplicate it into a range of doubles, well array doesn't allow that.
>
> The above e
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Nice!
> class ModuleInfo {
> @property:
> string name();
> ImportInfo[] imports();
> DataInfo[] data();
> FunctionInfo[] functions();
> ClassInfo[] classes();
> StructInfo[] structs(); // includes unions
> T
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 07:01:50 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
This is a very old issue. To be compatible with the output of
the Microsoft C compiler, the Windows calling convention is:
_name@nn
but somehow Microsoft left off the _ and @nn in the DLLs.
Hence, part of the whole reason for th
On Sunday, 22 July 2012 at 02:06:37 UTC, JImmy Cao wrote:
Use either /s or /system
Yes, but - at least with the version of implib I'm using - it has
no effect.
I hit some of the problems you described a little while ago.
Jonathan and I came to the conclusion that the best solution is
to default to the same element type as the passed range, while
allowing any type which the element type is convertible to to be
specified via an extra template parameter,
On 2012-07-21 19:51:37 +, Nick Sabalausky
said:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:47:06 -0400
Michel Fortin wrote:
And also, more and more it'd require ARM support to be competitive in
the GUI area.
Yes. But there's an even bigger reason for ARM: Mobile devices, like
iOS and Android. I'm not per
Russel Winder writes:
> On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 02:17 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> [...]
>> I don't know about cmake; and scons and waf are both crap, so it's not
>> surprising they've not even heard of symbol versioning.
>
> I disagree, I think SCons and Waf (along with Gradle) make Make, CMake
On 22/07/2012 05:46, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Runtime reflection _must_ be opt-in. We do _not_ want to make all types pay the
cost of having it. That means that however it's done is going to require that
every type that has it be marked in one way or another to enable that
functionality.
I don't
On 22/07/2012 06:48, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 7/21/12 8:41 PM, deadalnix wrote:
I don't understand. Are theses structures generated by the compiler or
some kind of libraries at compile time on a per needed basis ?
These are all library structures. Internally they use std.traits, which
in
array is one of my favorite features in Phobos. It is such a
trivially stupid function, yet so incredibly useful/powerful.
Just call it on any range, and you get a new raw array of the
corresponding deferred type. Awesome!
...But I think it has one major drawback: You can't specify the
type o
Sönke Ludwig wrote:
> Am 20.07.2012 07:35, schrieb Jens Mueller:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've written some Deimos interface for LLVM.
> >https://github.com/jkm/deimos-llvm/commits/master
> >
> >I'd like to get some feedback on those.
> >Firstly to finish these and secondly to finish some guidelines that I'd
Am 22.07.2012 07:50, schrieb Sönke Ludwig:
re the bindings for 3.0 or 3.1?
I'm asking because at least some enum members have changed (don't
exactly remember which).
Looks like 3.1 https://github.com/jkm/deimos-llvm
Noticed I've sent this to digitalmars.D instead of digitalmars.D.learn.
Sorry for that, going to resend this in D.learn.
Right now I'm a bit confused. I assume that the garbage collector and
some other parts from druntime need startup code. But what gets run
first is my main method in the d file I compile. Does this mean that
the first call to something in druntime calls that startup code? If
not, what does get ran f
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 02:17 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
> I don't know about cmake; and scons and waf are both crap, so it's not
> surprising they've not even heard of symbol versioning.
I disagree, I think SCons and Waf (along with Gradle) make Make, CMake,
Autotools, etc., etc. look like
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:24 -0700
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:10:43 Paulo Pinto wrote:
> > Am 22.07.2012 01:13, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:41:05 +0200
> > >
> > > Paulo Pinto wrote:
> > >> Regarding systems programming, Go could actually play i
On Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:10:43 Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 22.07.2012 01:13, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:41:05 +0200
> >
> > Paulo Pinto wrote:
> >> Regarding systems programming, Go could actually play in the same
> >> league as D
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The trick with Ob
Am 22.07.2012 01:13, schrieb Nick Sabalausky:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 14:41:05 +0200
Paulo Pinto wrote:
Regarding systems programming, Go could actually play in the same
league as D
[...]
The trick with Oberon, which Go also uses, is to have a special module
reckognised by the compiler with prim
On 7/21/2012 11:45 PM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
The problem isn't that D is mangling names it shouldn't, the problem is that
your import library uses the wrong mangling for the internal names of
imported symbols. Using the .def file with implib is the correct solution,
unless you want to try convert
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