On Friday, 20 December 2013 at 22:40:16 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
http://wiki.dlang.org/DIP49
Improved points from version 1:
- Swap meanings of 'this(this) inout' and 'this(this) const'
- Inout postblit now covers all cheap (== not rebind
indirections)
copies between same qualifiers
Kenji Hara
21-Dec-2013 00:43, Martin Nowak пишет:
On 12/20/2013 06:27 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I had this idea fot a while, and Walter is favorable of it as well -
extend "import" for one-shot use. With that feature the example would
become:
void topN(alias less = "a < b",
SwapStr
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 08:08:42 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky
wrote:
That has the disadvantage of importing the whole std.range.
I seriously doubt that we'd get anything better then:
> import std.range.traits;
>
> void foo(R)(R range) if (isForwardRange!R)
> {
import std.range;
...
> }
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 22:44 +0100, Larry wrote:
> Now,
>
> I assume that it is very fast. But there are no benchmarks under
> heavy loads.
>
> It seems very good but not really commonly used.
Well it is relatively new, and not many people know about D and fewer
about Vibe.d. If you use it other
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 22:05 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
[…]
> When developing an OS, for somethings these languages are not enough,
> including C, Go and D. You need to use assembly. D has the advantage of
> supporting inline assembly.
C, C++, Go, D have the advantage of using separate files wi
There is something weird.
How does UFCS compile since the earliest versions?
http://www.luismarques.eu/d/archeology/56CDCBDBE4688E996548A3F39E63843ADEFBF570
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 10:20:58 UTC, yazd wrote:
There is something weird.
How does UFCS compile since the earliest versions?
http://www.luismarques.eu/d/archeology/56CDCBDBE4688E996548A3F39E63843ADEFBF570
It has always worked for slices. The recent change expanded it to
work with an
""Luís Marques " <=?UTF-8?B?Ikx1w61z?= Marques
> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> My memory of the timeline of D features is quite fuzzy, so I created a
> service to test snippets of D source code with *all* of the DMD versions
> publicly available.
>
> Ri
On 2013-12-21 07:26, Paulo Pinto wrote:
However you do touch a nice point, even ANSI/ISO C needs to rely on
external assemblers to be useful at systems level. This is something
developers forget when they equate language == what my compiler supports.
You will most likely not be able to rely on
On 2013-12-21 11:14, Russel Winder wrote:
Inline assembly language is a huge disadvantage in many (most?) case.
I don't know. Would you like to move all the current inline assembly in
druntime to their own files? I don't use assembly myself but it seems
convenient to have support for inline
On 2013-12-21 01:22, "Luís Marques" " wrote:
Hi,
My memory of the timeline of D features is quite fuzzy, so I created a
service to test snippets of D source code with *all* of the DMD versions
publicly available.
Right now the service is *very* in the rough and the UI is butt ugly (it
just outp
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 08:08:42 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky
wrote:
That has the disadvantage of importing the whole std.range.
I seriously doubt that we'd get anything better then:
> import std.range.traits;
>
> void foo(R)(R range) if (isForwardRange!R)
> {
import std.range;
...
> }
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 10:34:20 UTC, Jakob Ovrum wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 10:20:58 UTC, yazd wrote:
There is something weird.
How does UFCS compile since the earliest versions?
http://www.luismarques.eu/d/archeology/56CDCBDBE4688E996548A3F39E63843ADEFBF570
It has alway
On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 14:03 +0100, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
> On 2013-12-21 11:14, Russel Winder wrote:
>
> > Inline assembly language is a huge disadvantage in many (most?) case.
>
> I don't know. Would you like to move all the current inline assembly in
> druntime to their own files? I don't use
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 at 22:11:33 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
And there is also a cmdline tool to do this, dman.
I didn't know about it. How can I download it?
Also, can we add a link to the `dman` at the
http://dlang.org/download.html page (or at some similar place)?
I'm trying to implement a caching container that cleans up after its
items based on expiration of nodes. I'd like to use the new
std.allocator to make sure it's restricted to a region in memory.
The documentation of std.container states that Array uses malloc/free,
but does it fallback on the
On 12/21/13 12:08 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 00:43, Martin Nowak пишет:
On 12/20/2013 06:27 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I had this idea fot a while, and Walter is favorable of it as well -
extend "import" for one-shot use. With that feature the example would
become:
void
On 12/20/2013 09:48 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
I updated DIP22 - Private symbol visibility with my findings from
implementing the 'Hide module members' pull request.
https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd/pull/739
I don't have much time to cope with the topic but any feedback is welcome.
On 21.12.2013 14:03, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-12-21 11:14, Russel Winder wrote:
Inline assembly language is a huge disadvantage in many (most?) case.
I don't know. Would you like to move all the current inline assembly in
druntime to their own files? I don't use assembly myself but it se
Inline assembly means you have to have the assembly code for
each
supported platform in the code with all the conditionals to the
compiler. Having separate files is often much easier to manage
and to
build from.
No, that's a completely orthogonal issue: You can easily have
architecture depe
On 12/21/2013 6:44 AM, Russel Winder wrote:
Inline assembly means you have to have the assembly code for each
supported platform in the code with all the conditionals to the
compiler. Having separate files is often much easier to manage and to
build from.
You can still put D inline assembly in
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 17:41:32 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
Adding a private symbol to an overload set can break 3rd party
code with these rules.
Yes, this is understood, but it seems like a good tradeoff when
compared to the alternative where overload resolution depends on
look-up origi
On 12/21/2013 03:57 AM, deadalnix wrote:
Just watched this presentation :
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/functional-pros-cons
Skip to minute 28 to understand what we are discussing here about the
magical unique.
At minute 28 he starts discussing Monads using Dart-like syntax.
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 19:29:28 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
Yes, this is understood, but it seems like a good tradeoff when
compared to the alternative where overload resolution depends
on look-up origin. The latter could easily break generic code
and simple refactorings could introduce
Personally I rather use powerful external macro assemblers like
NASM/MASM than inline assemblers, as I mentioned a few times
here.
Specially since most inline assemblers I used tend to be rather
limited in comparison.
Actually DMD might be the most powerful macro assembler out there:
On 12/21/2013 08:29 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 17:41:32 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
Adding a private symbol to an overload set can break 3rd party code
with these rules.
Yes, this is understood, but it seems like a good tradeoff when compared
to the alternative where o
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On 12/21/2013 09:18 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 12/21/2013 08:29 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 17:41:32 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
Adding a private symbol to an overload set can break 3rd party code
with these rules.
Yes, this is understood, but it seems like a good tradeo
21-Dec-2013 21:10, Andrei Alexandrescu пишет:
On 12/21/13 12:08 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 00:43, Martin Nowak пишет:
Couldn't static imports be made lazy without breaking any code?
The above example would read.
static import std.range.
void foo(R)(R range) if (std.range.isForw
On 12/21/2013 08:54 PM, Dicebot wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 19:29:28 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
Still don't understand how intended and expected behavior can be called
"bug".
If I make a refactoring and move a function from module A to B, but the
function calls an overload set in A it
On 12/21/13 12:30 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
Hi everyone,
DFeed (the software running on forum.dlang.org) has been moved to a much
faster server.
My apologies to everyone who had to endure the slow page load times or
failures during the old server's nightly maintenance. This move has been
ov
On 12/21/13 1:06 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 21:10, Andrei Alexandrescu пишет:
On 12/21/13 12:08 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 00:43, Martin Nowak пишет:
Couldn't static imports be made lazy without breaking any code?
The above example would read.
static import std.ran
Being one of the pioneers won't make me cry.
I had a look at it. This project seems like it deserves a bit
more work :
http://forum.rejectedsoftware.com/groups/rejectedsoftware.vibed/thread/7556/
This is particularly annoying and a show stopper for me.
I will definitely look for its evolution
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 10:09:44PM +0100, Martin Nowak wrote:
> On 12/21/2013 09:18 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
> >On 12/21/2013 08:29 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
> >>On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 17:41:32 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote:
> >>>Adding a private symbol to an overload set can break 3rd party code
> >>
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:16:23 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
That's why I'm saying: make all imports lazy
How? It has been already mentioned in this thread that this does
not seem possible, at least withing existing language.
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 20:30:45 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev
wrote:
Hi everyone,
DFeed (the software running on forum.dlang.org) has been moved
to a much faster server.
My apologies to everyone who had to endure the slow page load
times or failures during the old server's nightly mainte
On 12/21/2013 10:14 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On 12/21/2013 08:54 PM, Dicebot wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 19:29:28 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
Still don't understand how intended and expected behavior can be called
"bug".
If I make a refactoring and move a function from module A to B, b
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:15:19 UTC, Larry wrote:
But when I look at UWSGI, it is directly tied to nginx so no
need
to manage yet another server and so on. It just works as is,
redirects to the app and boom, executes the script.
There is no practical difference - uWSGI has own protoc
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:14:43 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
If I make a refactoring and move a function from module A to B,
but the function calls an overload set in A it should not have
a different overload resolution.
If MUST have different overload resolution if B does not have
acce
22-Dec-2013 01:16, Andrei Alexandrescu пишет:
On 12/21/13 1:06 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 21:10, Andrei Alexandrescu пишет:
On 12/21/13 12:08 AM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
21-Dec-2013 00:43, Martin Nowak пишет:
Couldn't static imports be made lazy without breaking any code?
The a
On 12/21/13, Dicebot wrote:
> On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:16:23 UTC, Andrei
> Alexandrescu wrote:
>> That's why I'm saying: make all imports lazy
>
> How? It has been already mentioned in this thread that this does
> not seem possible, at least withing existing language.
The first ste
On 12/21/2013 10:36 PM, Dicebot wrote:
It is a major design issue with templates using declaration scope for
access resolution instead of instantation scope. I think it was a
mistake and is unrelated to general visibility rules.
I think there is quite some overlap.
On 12/21/2013 10:28 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Well, you pass an alias. Are you saying that for alias template
arguments, the scope of the template declaration applies for
accessibility checking? I.e. we cannot pass private symbols as alias
arguments? I think this is an unreasonably high price to pay.
On 12/21/2013 10:22 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I was pretty upset when I encountered the following situation:
---std/regex.d---
...
private struct Stack { ... }
...
---mymodule.d---
...
/* public */ struct Stack { ... }
...
---
On 12/21/2013 10:36 PM, Dicebot wrote:
If MUST have different overload resolution if B does not have access to
those A function. Anything else is damn broken module system. Why would
anyone expect to move functions between modules and have accessibility
rules magically persistent?
It's important
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:38:59 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky
wrote:
As it stands the only thing lazy buys us is "pay as you touch"
contrary to "pay as you name the intent to touch". The problem
is that the payment is for the whole stock of the said "shop".
I see second problem (granularity o
On 12/21/2013 11:03 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On 12/21/2013 10:28 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Well, you pass an alias. Are you saying that for alias template
arguments, the scope of the template declaration applies for
accessibility checking? I.e. we cannot pass private symbols as alias
arguments? I thi
On 12/21/2013 7:33 AM, ilya-stromberg wrote:
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 at 22:11:33 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
And there is also a cmdline tool to do this, dman.
I didn't know about it. How can I download it?
Also, can we add a link to the `dman` at the http://dlang.org/download.html page
(or
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 22:14:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
What? It's a major design win that we don't have to rerun
semantic for every identical instantiation, in the same sense
that we don't have to reinclude header files.
I know that and completely agree with that.
Or are you only
On 12/21/2013 11:17 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
On 12/21/2013 11:03 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On 12/21/2013 10:28 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
Well, you pass an alias. Are you saying that for alias template
arguments, the scope of the template declaration applies for
accessibility checking? I.e. we cannot pas
22-Dec-2013 02:16, monarch_dodra пишет:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:38:59 UTC, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
As it stands the only thing lazy buys us is "pay as you touch"
contrary to "pay as you name the intent to touch". The problem is that
the payment is for the whole stock of the said "sho
On 12/21/2013 11:56 PM, Martin Nowak wrote:
On 12/21/2013 11:17 PM, Timon Gehr wrote:
...
I see. Then how are you going to handle the following:
module a;
private auto foo(int x){ }
auto foo(double x){ }
auto call(alias a){ a(0); }
void x(){
call!foo(); // ok
}
This will work.
modul
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:15:38 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
Thanks! This raises again the question whether we should
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Thanks for the offer, but hosting DFeed is
I've been working on a D wrapper for the ∅MQ (aka. ZMQ/ZeroMQ)
messaging library, and I think it's nearly ready for an "official
release". However, I would immensely appreciate some feedback on
the API first.
Code: https://github.com/kyllingstad/zmqd
Docs: http://kyllingstad.github.io/zmqd
On Sunday, 22 December 2013 at 00:18:51 UTC, Lars T. Kyllingstad
wrote:
I've been working on a D wrapper for the ∅MQ (aka. ZMQ/ZeroMQ)
messaging library, and I think it's nearly ready for an
"official release". However, I would immensely appreciate some
feedback on the API first.
Code: http
On Sunday, 22 December 2013 at 00:18:51 UTC, Lars T. Kyllingstad
wrote:
I've tried to stay as close as possible to the design of the C
library, while adding a distinct D "feel". Details are in the
documentation.
After reviewing the API and comparing it to the C API, I think
you did a fine job
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> On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:15:38 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Thanks! This raises again the question whether we should consolidate
>> hosting so you don't need to pay for that (bus factor etc). Wo
On 12/21/13 3:45 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 21:15:38 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Thanks! This raises again the question whether we should consolidate
hosting so you don't need to pay for that (bus factor etc). Would you
want to transfer DFeed to digitalmar
On 12/21/13 1:38 PM, Dmitry Olshansky wrote:
As it stands the only thing lazy buys us is "pay as you touch" contrary
to "pay as you name the intent to touch". The problem is that the
payment is for the whole stock of the said "shop". I see second problem
(granularity of imports) as far more criti
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 10:14:32 UTC, Russel Winder
wrote:
C, C++, Go, D have the advantage of using separate files with
the
assembly code in.
Inline assembly language is a huge disadvantage in many (most?)
case.
Depends, it allows you to add support for locking-mechanisms/SIMD
ins
On Saturday, 21 December 2013 at 22:18:02 UTC, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 12/21/2013 7:33 AM, ilya-stromberg wrote:
On Thursday, 19 December 2013 at 22:11:33 UTC, Martin Nowak
wrote:
And there is also a cmdline tool to do this, dman.
I didn't know about it. How can I download it?
Also, can we ad
On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 20:18 +0100, Araq wrote:
[…]
> The point of an inline assembler is that the compiler knows
> things like field offsets and so can provide useful features no
> external assembler can. It can also inline the assembler code
> eliminating any function call overhead. Your ignora
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