On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Weed wrote:
> (Here I generalise my sentence with supplement)
>
>
> The POD data and the data supporting polymorphism are necessary to us.
> POD the data is stored in structs and polymorphic objects is classes.
>
> Both types (class and struct) can be instanced in a
The DWT compile times do still seem to be sky-high even after the
reversion in DMD 1.039.
I just tried building the dwt-samples\treeeditor\Snippet111.d, for
instance and it's taking insanely long.
Switch back to DMD 1.037 and it compiles in well under a minute.
So my guess is that nobody else bu
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Tim M wrote:
> How do you rate 1.038 compile time?
It was also bad. I was thinking 1.039 was better but it's possible I
just compiled a different program with it I figured the programs were
similar enough that if it affected on then it would affect the other,
bu
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> I don't suppose you know of a general-use tool that would let me provide a
> text file and a tree (JSON, XML, or anything else) that describes a
> particular parsing of the text file (obviously including indicies into the
> original text fi
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Bill Baxter" wrote in message
> news:mailman.355.1231561916.22690.digitalmar...@puremagic.com...
>> The DWT compile times do still seem to be sky-high even after the
>> reversion in DMD 1.039.
>>
>&g
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Tim M wrote:
>
>>
>> DMD linker is often hangs for indefined amount of time. I'm already used
>> to killing the link.exe process and re-running linking step. It happens to
>> me in about 5-10% of times. Non-deterministic, non-reproducable.
>>
>
> To help prove a po
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Stewart Gordon wrote:
> Stewart Gordon wrote:
>
>>
>> Walter, before you go and implement any of this, I must point out that
>> it's spelt "memorization" and "memorize". (Or "memorisation" and "memorise"
>> if you're British, but that's an aside.)
>
> Or maybe no
2009/1/11 Christopher Wright :
> Weed wrote:
>>
>> Denis Koroskin пишет:
>>
>>> I'd suggest you to state you ideas as simple and keep your posts as
>>> small as possible (trust me, few people like reading long posts).
>>
>> The extra-short formulation of my idea:
>> Objects should be divided on POD
2009/1/11 Christopher Wright :
>> Instead of such division as now: POD && value type (struct) and POD &&
>> reference type (class).
>
> The reference versus value type difference is just a matter of defaults.
No it's not. scope MyClass does not make a MyClass that works like a
value type. It mer
2009/1/11 Weed :
> Bill Baxter пишет:
>
>> But since classes can be polymorphic, value copying gets you into
>> slicing problems. That's why value copying is disabled to begin with.
>> So disabling value copies is a good thing.
>
> It is not always a good thi
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>
>>> Michel Fortin wrote:
On 2009-01-10 00:10:11 -0500, Andrei Alexandrescu
said:
>> The problem is identifying if this would be faster than recomputing
>
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM, dsimcha wrote:
> == Quote from Miles (...@___.)'s article
>> Daniel Keep wrote:
>> > Yes, property syntax can simplify some cases, but this isn't one of them.
>> One good distinction properties and normal functions ought to make is
>> that functions sh
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Miles <...@___.> wrote:
> dsimcha wrote:
>> I for one think that code is often more
>> readable without the annoying empty parentheses around functions that don't
>> take
>> any arguments.
>
> It introduces ambiguities, and unexpected behavior, as I e
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM, dsimcha wrote:
> I'm starting to think that this properties thing is becoming a hopelessly
> complicated solution to a very simple problem. The issue that brought this
> to a
> head in the first place was foo = foo + 1 vs. foo += 1. Given that solving
> this
>
I got the guy in charge of this page to add LDC:
http://www.llvm.org/ProjectsWithLLVM/
LDC is now listed right at the top!
LDC folks: Please feel free to send a better description to the
address at the bottom of the page if you don't like what took from the
LDC annoucement. :-)
--bb
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 4:07 AM, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Miles wrote:
>>> Daniel Keep wrote:
Yes, property syntax can simplify some cases, but this isn't one of
them.
>>>
>>> One good distinction proper
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Christopher Wright wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> But the call for a memoization thingy I just don't get. No way that
>> should be a compiler feature, just far too many ways to memoize with
>> too many different tradeoffs.
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:15 PM, downs wrote:
>
> To have some good news for a change, here's the pay-off :
> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6811/victory2wv7.jpg .. D on the DS *is
> feasible*.
That's awesome! What compiler did you use?
--bb
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> (I originally emailed this to Walter and a couple others, but I thought it
> might be better to gather insights from the community.)
>
> I'm gearing up for changing std.algorithm, and I am thinking of making the
> major change of favori
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Please let me know what you think!
>>
>> I think having such functions is
2009/1/13 Weed :
> Andrei Alexandrescu пишет:
>> Brad Roberts wrote:
>>> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Weed wrote:
> Weed пишет:
>
4. Java and C# also uses objects by reference? But both these of
language are interpreted. I assume that the interpreter generally
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> So it may be worth while to have a special kind construct for
>> containing data that the compiler is free to move around. This type
>> would have a hidden pointer inside of it
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:47 AM, bearophile wrote:
> Bill Baxter:
>
>> > I believe (without having measured... which means that I am essentially
>> > lying) that we can safely assume the lunch will be free or low cost. The
>> > copying of the underlying ran
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Robert Fraser
wrote:
> Fawzi Mohamed wrote:
>>
>> Probably something of the following:
>> 1) In general when you do map you cannot exclude that the user expects
>> sequentiality, or at least not parallelism.
>>
>> 2) if you use forward iterators (and lazy lists are
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jason House
wrote:
> Point #3 is on the mark. A URL to quality documentstion is worth 100 posts
> declaring the superiority of dlibs.
A URL to browseable source wouldn't hurt either.
Given how much you promote your library here, it's surprising to me
that you (
Qt 4.5 to be LGPL
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F14%2F1312210
Now we just need a D port...
--bb
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:42 AM, naryl wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:40:19 +0300, Bill Baxter wrote:
>
>> Qt 4.5 to be LGPL
>> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F14%2F1312210
>>
>> Now we just need a D port...
>>
>> --bb
>
> T
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Stewart Gordon wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>> Excellent. I didn't know anyone was working on it. Qt is simply the
>> best damn GUI toolkit there is. But I wouldn't touch it with a meter
>> long chopstick when it
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:58 PM, davidl wrote:
> 在 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:43:53 +0800，Bill Baxter 写道:
>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Jason House
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Point #3 is on the mark. A URL to quality documentstion is worth 100
>>> posts declarin
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:26 AM, BLS wrote:
> Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>
>> "BLS" wrote in message
>> news:gkodf2$1ah...@digitalmars.com...
>>>
>>> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 4:42 AM, naryl wrote:
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Yigal Chripun wrote:
> 2. there's more to S&S than just an array of delegates - they are weak refs
> so that destruction of an object disconnects automatically the apropriate
> signals. but there is a weakref lib for D written by Bill IIRC, that could
> be utilize
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Christopher Wright wrote:
> bearophile wrote:
>>
>> Nick Sabalausky:
>>>
>>> Isn't that kind of a common thing with profilers in general?
>>
>> Any physical measure alters the thing to be measured, but with a good
>> enough brain you can generally invent ways to de
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Walter Bright
wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Yigal Chripun wrote:
>>
>>> 2. there's more to S&S than just an array of delegates - they are weak
>>> refs
>>> so th
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Katrina Niolet wrote:
> Stewart Gordon Wrote:
>
>> Bill Baxter wrote:
>> > Qt 4.5 to be LGPL
>> > http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F14%2F1312210
>> >
>> > Now we just need a D port...
>>
&g
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Walter Bright
wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> Right, that would probably do the trick, except I don't think there's
>> anyway to programatically turn D's profiler on or off. So if you've
>> got a program
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Sergey Kovrov
wrote:
> On 1/16/2009 10:34 AM, Daniel de Kok wrote:
>>
>> I use Qt daily, and it uses native widgets in recent versions. Of
>> course, with the exception of X11, because there is no such thing as
>> native widgets (arguably, Qt is one of the major tw
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Yigal Chripun wrote:
>>> Question: since D2 now uses the same runtime as tango and that
>>> includes the (same) GC, do we still need the wrapper, for D2 code?
>>
>> What do you mean by wrapper? Or you mean extern C++ capabilites of
>> D2? I tried them, and they se
I'm going crazy here with a very odd bug.
My DWT+OpenGL Win32 app is crashing *only* on Vista and *only* when I
use client arrays for rendering
(i.e. glEnableClientState(GL_VERTEX_ARRAY), glVertexPointer(...),
glArrayElement()).
The exact same code works fine on XP.
I have the Areo desktop com
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM, John Reimer wrote:
> Hello Stewart,
>
>> John Reimer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Good question. I think the new dwt release just inherited (or
>>> hijacked) the title based on the release made by Shawn a couple of
>>> years ago which was Phobos compatible.
>>>
>> So effect
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:46 AM, John Reimer wrote:
> Back to the present. Again, it would be easier if we just fix this
> situation by changing the "dwt" newsgroup to "GUI" and forget about the
> reference to "standard" for now.
Ugh, that would be terrible. I really don't care what troubles a
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:35 AM, IUnknown wrote:
> To D gods,
>
> Having to learn and choose between two libraries is a big -ve point in
> adopting D. Many people would also like to use D on ARM if possible in the
> future so dividing the library into two parts would help as then only the
> cor
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Tim M wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:51:46 +1300, Bill Baxter wrote:
>
>> I'm going crazy here with a very odd bug.
>> My DWT+OpenGL Win32 app is crashing *only* on Vista and *only* when I
>> use client arrays for rendering
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Don wrote:
> John Reimer wrote:
>>
>>> Still it's nice to have a basic cross-platform GUI right there in the
>>> standard distribution of the language.
>>>
>
> Does DWT offer that yet? Certainly it didn't at the moment of
> 'standardisation'.
I don't think so. It
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tim M wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:15:00 +1300, Walter Bright
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=520302
>
> I had another look at that thread today and noticed a post that says "D
> doesn't have static type checking".
> htt
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:56 AM, dsimcha wrote:
> == Quote from Martin Carney (marc...@hotmail.com)'s article
>> Visiting dsource I'm disappointed by the large number of half-finished and
> not-started projects on the projects page.
>> I pick on interesting project and look at the source tree - no
ct.Exception: Access Violation
"""
Can anyone else reproduce this (particularly Vista users)?
I'd be happy to send the exe to anyone who would like to try it off
list. But it's a 3MB exe (compresses to about .7 MB).
--bb
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Sergey Kovrov
wro
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Simen Kjaeraas wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:11:15 +0100, Stewart Gordon
> wrote:
>
>> As long as that automatically pruned list isn't the default. Otherwise,
>> there would probably be lots of new projects started when it would be better
>> to revive an existi
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Sergey Kovrov
wrote:
> On 1/19/2009 12:17 AM, Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> Here's a modified version of one of the DWT opengl snippets that
>> reproduces the crash for me.
>> About 1 in 10-15 runs this will crash (seems to be ins
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
>> Unless it's a class you mean?
>
> Yah, ranges are meant to have value semantics. If you have a class container
> exposing ranges, define the range separately from the container itself:
>
> MyIterable collection;
> foreach (element; co
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Sergey Gromov wrote:
> Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:17:16 +0900, Bill Baxter wrote:
>
>> Here's a modified version of one of the DWT opengl snippets that
>> reproduces the crash for me.
>> About 1 in 10-15 runs this will crash (seems to be
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Sergey Gromov wrote:
> Mon, 19 Jan 2009 07:17:16 +0900, Bill Baxter wrote:
>
>> Here's a modified version of one of the DWT opengl snippets that
>> reproduces the crash for me.
>> About 1 in 10-15 runs this will crash (seems to be
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
> Bill Baxter wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Unless it's a class you mean?
>>>
>>> Yah, ranges are meant to have v
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Christopher Wright wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>> Yigal Chripun wrote:
>>>
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
>
> toe() ?! tail() good, rear() not so good, toe() sucks.
tail() is no good because it has a well-establis
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Yigal Chripun wrote:
> Christopher Wright wrote:
>>
>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>
>>> Yigal Chripun wrote:
Walter Bright wrote:
>
> Lars Ivar Igesund wrote:
>>
>> toe() ?! tail() good, rear() not so good, toe() sucks.
>
> tail() is n
Or at least that's the impression one might get from reading this Wired
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