Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-16 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 16 June 2015 at 08:54:01 UTC, Chris wrote: So the implication that use of the nonstandard form would lead to confusion is pure pedantry. Yes, indeed. Much of the difficulty with discussions of language in the modern world comes from not making a distinction between its denotative

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 16 June 2015 at 16:34:59 UTC, Laeeth Isharc wrote: On Tuesday, 16 June 2015 at 08:54:01 UTC, Chris wrote: So the implication that use of the nonstandard form would lead to confusion is pure pedantry. Yes, indeed. Much of the difficulty with discussions of language in the modern

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-16 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 14 June 2015 at 09:38:02 UTC, Alix Pexton wrote: On 12/06/2015 12:48 PM, Chris wrote: man is still used as a gender neutral pronoun in German, however, for some reason it's frowned upon these days, just like one in English. It's considered arrogant and old fashioned, but it's effin

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-14 Thread Alix Pexton via Digitalmars-d
On 12/06/2015 12:48 PM, Chris wrote: man is still used as a gender neutral pronoun in German, however, for some reason it's frowned upon these days, just like one in English. It's considered arrogant and old fashioned, but it's effin useful and solves a lot of problems. Mind you, decisions made

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-14 Thread Alix Pexton via Digitalmars-d
On 12/06/2015 10:37 PM, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Yea, I'm fine with ain't being considered an actual word. Years ago, I used to hear a lot of 'Ain't' isn't a real word, but meh, it's used as a word, even the people who don't like it still know full-well exactly what it means, so...I ain't got a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-13 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On 6/13/2015 10:26 AM, Tofu Ninja wrote: Actually I think it matters more if the person you are talking to knows the gender of the person you are talking about, in the shop sentence the gender of the friend is unknown to the person you are talking to so they still works. So then, use the

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Alix Pexton via Digitalmars-d
On 12/06/2015 2:53 AM, Walter Bright wrote: On 6/10/2015 12:56 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: Please note, OED (which is the definition of the English language whatever any USA upstarts may try to pretend) is gearing up to define they as both singular and plural, thus at a stroke

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Alix Pexton via Digitalmars-d
On 11/06/2015 2:30 AM, weaselcat wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 00:57:34 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 20:14:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Contrary to technical official definition, in REAL WORLD usage, he is BOTH a masuline AND a gender-neutral pronoun. A few

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 02:12:39 UTC, Brian Rogoff wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 19:57:15 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: Please note, OED (which is the definition of the English language whatever any USA upstarts may try to pretend) Glad to hear it. Please tell your countrymen to prefer

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 11:13:08 UTC, Chris wrote: -ise. If you have a new generation of Englishmen that were taught -ize, they would find -ise strange. It's ridiculous how people get attached to stuff like this. I have to admit I use -ize over -ise because I think it visually looks

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On 2015-06-12 01:52, Walter Bright wrote: I'm in the compiler business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwIyClDuBgo You're in the Empire business as well ;) Or was. -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 11:35:30 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 11:13:08 UTC, Chris wrote: -ise. If you have a new generation of Englishmen that were taught -ize, they would find -ise strange. It's ridiculous how people get attached to stuff like this. I have

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/11/2015 06:35 PM, deadalnix wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:44:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:14:24 UTC, Kagamin wrote: https://youtu.be/VjNVPO8ff84 :3 https://youtu.be/bJDY5zTiWUk maybe this too(?) Never heard those before, those are really

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 18:32:22 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:19:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: My friend came in to the shop today and the entire time they just kept asking for corks... For me that sounds 100% fine... Ah, ok. I found this link interesting:

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:16:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Banned in the US: Public Image Limited - This Is Not A Love Song and SABRINA - Boys (Video Original) - HD. Banned? Oh well, Lydon of Sex Pistols is an anarchist and Sabrina shows of her tits with a wardrobe malfunction. I guess

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Tobias Müller via Digitalmars-d
Dave whate...@whatever.com wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:06:45 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 18:17:01 UTC, Dave wrote: Disagree. Traditionally also handled by throwing exceptions. C# throws a Format exception if a parse fails.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:52:56 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: was not related to english singular they… but it could also come from Sie through the trade German influence in Bergen around 1300… Or more likely Danish… I think they have same polite singular form De. It makes sense that

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
Originally (.Net 1) there was only 'Parse', 'TryParse' came in .Net 2, I guess they had to admit that exceptions are not always practical. I think TryParse (and anything marked prefixed with Try) is meant for quick stuff. It doesn't return any error. Just a boolean indicating that it failed.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:16:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Here is a nice documentary about the 80s : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg Wow, just watched the first minute, that's freaking sweet! Definitely gonna watch the rest of that later. The historical accuracy is indeed

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/12/2015 03:58 PM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 19:16:39 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Banned in the US: Public Image Limited - This Is Not A Love Song and SABRINA - Boys (Video Original) - HD. Banned? Oh well,

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/12/2015 07:48 AM, Chris wrote: The same goes for ain't. There's no reason why ain't should be bad English. I ain't got no money is perfectly fine, although it might make the odd Oxbridge fellow cringe and spill his tea. But what the Dickens, old chap! Yea, I'm fine with ain't being

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d
On 6/13/2015 3:32 AM, Tofu Ninja wrote: My friend came in to the shop today and the entire time they just kept asking for corks... For me that sounds 100% fine... Not to me. Gender-neutrality is for the cases when the gender is unknown or the subject is generic, e.g. A person. I would

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 13 June 2015 at 01:09:48 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On 6/13/2015 3:32 AM, Tofu Ninja wrote: Not to me. Gender-neutrality is for the cases when the gender is unknown or the subject is generic, e.g. A person. I would assume that you are likely to know the gender of a friend, in which

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 13:05:36 UTC, Chris wrote: Do you speak Bokmål or Nynorsk? Bokmål, but neither Bokmål or Nynorsk are naturally spoken languages, they are written languages. Nobody actually speaks Nynorsk (only in poetry, drama and movies where it is read in a rather literal

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 13:51:55 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 13:05:36 UTC, Chris wrote: Do you speak Bokmål or Nynorsk? Bokmål, but neither Bokmål or Nynorsk are naturally spoken languages, they are written languages. Nobody actually speaks Nynorsk (only

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 09:26:29 UTC, Alix Pexton wrote: On 11/06/2015 2:30 AM, weaselcat wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 00:57:34 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 20:14:10 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: Contrary to technical official definition, in REAL WORLD usage,

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:02:35 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: Hey, you see that person over there? What are they doing? Is that their big red stuffed dinosaur? A person came in to the shop today and the entire time they just keept asking for corks, we sell paint... I am going to wear this big

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 11:35:30 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: They as singular feels weird tho, but maybe it is related to the archaic thou and thee? We had the same in norwegian ~60 years ago. De (they) was used as singular towards strangers and du (you) was used with people you were

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-12 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:19:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:02:35 UTC, Tofu Ninja wrote: Hey, you see that person over there? What are they doing? Is that their big red stuffed dinosaur? A person came in to the shop today and the entire time they just

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 10:17:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: People here often request features you can only ask for after years of programming experience. This shows that there is a lot of experience in the D community. Without experience D wouldn't be where it is, having only

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:08:02 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 03:04:50 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: The biggest difference between the D community in general and other communities is actually quite simple. Experience. Indeed! The world has never seen a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 09:14:00 UTC, Chris wrote: Now, now. It is true that bad and frustrating experience with other languages drove me (and probably others) to D. Suggesting that a language like D is based on experience in comparison to Go is... not right... given the experienced

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:11:33 UTC, rsw0x wrote: actually making a good GC for D is difficult because the only type of barrier you can use it hardware protection faults. The performance dropoff isn't _that_ bad from what I've read in various papers. I should have an article up in a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 10:52:08 UTC, weaselcat wrote: heavily disagree honestly. Ken Thompson - B? Rob Pike - Limbo? Joking? Not your kind of experience? But still experience... So there is a limit to how far experience can take you. Anyway, language designers that do multiple

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 10:17:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 09:14:00 UTC, Chris wrote: Now, now. It is true that bad and frustrating experience with other languages drove me (and probably others) to D. Suggesting that a language like D is based on

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 10:52:06 UTC, Chris wrote: vaguely familiar but I cannot put my finger on it. Usually I don't follow an idea that somehow sounds familiar. Well, in this case it might sound familiar to me because it is based manipulated sample of another tune I made... But I

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Abdulhaq via Digitalmars-d
I really wish people would stop complaining about other languages having the same features as D without giving credit. It is impossible to figure out exactly where ideas from features come from, but most features predate even C++ if being first is the main point. Hear, hear, is it so

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 19:57:15 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: Please note, OED (which is the definition of the English language As Tofu Ninja said, a dictionary only (partly) reflects the current usage of a language. Look up the word sophisticated and you'll find out that it had a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 10:17:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 09:14:00 UTC, Chris wrote: Now, now. It is true that bad and frustrating experience with other languages drove me (and probably others) to D. Suggesting that a language like D is based on

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:20:12 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Then brainfuck wins. Always.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 18:13:53 UTC, Dave wrote: Another backwards annotation is nothrow. I don't really care if something doesn't throw, I care when it throws, because then I have to do something (or my program may crash unexpectedly). I recently debugged such no crash bug: the code

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Bruno Medeiros via Digitalmars-d
On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they are more idealistic than Google. Agreed. In concrete terms, Mozilla is a non-profit, whereas Google is not. Google can

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 09:14:00 UTC, Chris wrote: Because this hurts some people. The D crowd doesn't snob other languages, in fact, people here often point at features of other languages saying Da', can I have this, pleze?.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread David Gileadi via Digitalmars-d
On 6/10/15 6:43 PM, Tofu Ninja wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 01:30:08 UTC, weaselcat wrote: 'he' has been a gender neutral pronoun for centuries, and as far as I'm aware this has its roots in latin using 'man'(vir?) as a gender neutral pronoun. I am just saying that personally it sounds

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/11/2015 06:52 AM, Chris wrote: In your case, the song reminds me of: Wouldn't It Be Good - Nik Kershaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMAtbq0bjY (God, I'm so old!) :-) Oh man, that takes me back. 80's had the best pop music, IMHO. Miss that stuff. Although, I still have trouble

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/11/2015 07:31 AM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:20:12 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Then brainfuck wins. Always. It *is* very fun to implement. I'm more partial to this one though:

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Nick Sabalausky via Digitalmars-d
On 06/11/2015 07:37 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they are more idealistic than Google. Agreed. In concrete terms, Mozilla is a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Idan Arye via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 13:21:27 UTC, Dave wrote: Exceptions are not meant to force handling errors at he source. This attitude is why so many exceptions go unhandled at the upper layers. When you have a top level that calls a function that calls 50 other functions, each that throw a

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 16:49:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 06/11/2015 07:31 AM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:20:12 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Then brainfuck wins. Always. It *is* very fun to implement.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 17:42:48 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 16:49:15 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 06/11/2015 07:31 AM, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:20:12 UTC, Kagamin

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 17:45:32 UTC, weaselcat wrote: https://gist.github.com/sprain/be75c6c456146b272178 Ah, that's awsome! Instead of using true and false you get to use thumbs-up and thumbs-down...

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
Exceptions are for when something went wrong. Returned errors are for when the function can't do what you asked it to do, but that doesn't mean that something went wrong. You seem to be implying this as a fact, when traditionally this is not how things are done. For example, if you try to

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:40:55 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: It's quite a nice twist that the thread discussing which language is better branched into what version of English is the right one - as if such a thing is meaningful. Arguing about definitions and terminology is surely such a useless

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 18:17:01 UTC, Dave wrote: Disagree. Traditionally also handled by throwing exceptions. C# throws a Format exception if a parse fails. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/f02979c7%28v=vs.110%29.aspx

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
It seems to be a controversial subject: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/phobos/pull/1090#issuecomment-12737986 As the topic has been argued for the past 50 years. No one ever agrees on the best way to handle errors. But I think most of this is because programmers tend to be the most

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:40:55 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: Hear, hear, is it so unlikely that one footstep should fall in the footprint of another? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, etc. This is it. Great languages (IMO) have condensed their features down to the smallest set of

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Abdulhaq via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:11:49 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: As a norwegian I can't make up my mind as to whether I should write color or colour. I suspect it will be taken as some kind of political statement. Hey, I am neutral! I use color in source code and colour in writing. :)

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
I should also mention that D has essentially enabled this philosophy that I am speaking about concerning errors by using the 'scope' keyword. I believe handling errors with scope literally translates to try\catch blocks behind the scenes. I also believe this is an encouraged way of dealing with

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Abdulhaq via Digitalmars-d
D is really unique in the sense that it's open enough for people not to feel that they have to role their own. D also has enough features to satisfy many different users, although - and this is often forgotten - you don't _have_ to use them all. People like Go and Rust, because it tells them

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 13:05:14 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:42:36 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: People are not abandoning Dart because shows any signs of being a dead or a bad language, they do it because they don't trust Google. My experience is many believe

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:37:21 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they are more idealistic than Google. Agreed. In concrete

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:15:21 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:37:21 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:49:20 UTC, Abdulhaq wrote: D is really unique in the sense that it's open enough for people not to feel that they have to role their own. D also has enough features to satisfy many different users, although - and this is often forgotten - you don't _have_ to use

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Idan Arye via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 00:27:09 UTC, Dave wrote: The promise of exceptions isn't to not have to specifically handle errors in every layer Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't exceptions in D used for general error handling? Doesn't Phobos prefer exceptions over return codes? It seems

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:37:21 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they are more idealistic than Google. Agreed. In concrete

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:21:30 UTC, Kagamin wrote: And Google will be right in abandoning an unsuccessful project. Supporting such project wouldn't benefit anyone and reusing resources in other promising projects is to the benefit of everyone. Actually, it is a problem that makes

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:21:30 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 11:37:21 UTC, Bruno Medeiros wrote: On 10/06/2015 12:38, Ola Fosheim =?UTF-8?B?R3LDuHN0YWQi?= ola.fosheim.grostad+dl...@gmail.com wrote: I think Rust has an advantage over Go in the name Mozilla alone, they

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 12:42:36 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: People are not abandoning Dart because shows any signs of being a dead or a bad language, they do it because they don't trust Google. My experience is many believe in corporate backing. Is it just PR?

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:14:24 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 16:14:46 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: https://youtu.be/VjNVPO8ff84 :3 https://youtu.be/bJDY5zTiWUk maybe this too(?) Nono, the 80's was more like this: https://youtu.be/Az_GCJnXAI0

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 16:14:46 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: On 06/11/2015 06:52 AM, Chris wrote: In your case, the song reminds me of: Wouldn't It Be Good - Nik Kershaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMAtbq0bjY (God, I'm so old!) :-) Oh man, that takes me back. 80's had the best

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:06:45 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 18:17:01 UTC, Dave wrote: Disagree. Traditionally also handled by throwing exceptions. C# throws a Format exception if a parse fails. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/f02979c7%28v=vs.110%29.aspx

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 18:17:01 UTC, Dave wrote: nothrow by default is combining the slowness of exceptions with the limitness of returned errors. Why would anyone want to do that? How would something that is guaranteeing that exceptions won't be used, combining anything with the idea

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:44:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:14:24 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 16:14:46 UTC, Nick Sabalausky wrote: https://youtu.be/VjNVPO8ff84 :3 https://youtu.be/bJDY5zTiWUk maybe this too(?) Nono, the 80's was

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 20:44:52 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Nono, the 80's was more like this: https://youtu.be/Az_GCJnXAI0 https://youtu.be/PN7dd2fW3OQ https://youtu.be/Ug8WeZyTxXg https://youtu.be/drGeLouMm6s Ouch, guess will stick with modern art -_-

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
He is saying that now anything that throws will not only be slow but also have the same limitations as returned errors. nothrow by default is combining the slowness of exceptions with the limitness of returned errors. He literally said combine the slowness of exceptions. So I don't know how to

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Tofu Ninja via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 21:57:36 UTC, Dave wrote: assume I misunderstood him. Yeah, its whatever, maybe I am misunderstanding him and your original interpretation is correct. That is a legitimate concern, but I don't think it is correct. The transitive nature would enforce that you

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 21:53:57 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Ouch, guess will stick with modern art -_- The modern art of early 80s pop would be Yello and Art of Noise. Music with a at-the-time new sample-based sound image heavily based on these expensive beasts:

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread rsw0x via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:13:10 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:11:33 UTC, rsw0x wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:08:02 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: A ground breaking GC will emerge from the synthesis of the unsurpassable number of endless GC debates.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread thedeemon via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:15:31 UTC, rsw0x wrote: Boehm's GC uses this and regularly kept up(~5-10%) with essentially all of the top of the line GCs in all the papers I read. Ah, so you only read papers about very bad GCs, that explains it. ;)

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
On 2015-06-10 18:34, Joakim wrote: May still be possible, Apple just announced that the default format to submit apps for iOS will be bitcode from now on, which people are speculating is some form of llvm bitcode: I'm pretty sure they mentioned it was LLVM IR on the Platform, State of the

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 03:04:50 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote: The biggest difference between the D community in general and other communities is actually quite simple. Experience. Indeed! The world has never seen a more experienced collection of freshmen language designers. Theory does

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread rsw0x via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:08:02 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: A ground breaking GC will emerge from the synthesis of the unsurpassable number of endless GC debates. That is the sanctimony of meritocracy. actually making a good GC for D is difficult because the only type of barrier

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread deadalnix via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:11:33 UTC, rsw0x wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:08:02 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: A ground breaking GC will emerge from the synthesis of the unsurpassable number of endless GC debates. That is the sanctimony of meritocracy. actually making a good

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 6/11/2015 6:40 AM, Dave wrote: I believe handling errors with scope literally translates to try\catch blocks behind the scenes. Yes, exactly.

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Dave via Digitalmars-d
It should be noted that functional languages that utilize monads often make you consider the exceptional case, and this is enforced by the compiler (sound familiar?) I also literally said with the limitness of returned errors.. That part is important part of the sentence. My point is that the

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 6/11/2015 3:52 AM, Chris wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMAtbq0bjY (God, I'm so old!) :-) There's no business like compiler business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inzhNkQENOs I'm in the compiler business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwIyClDuBgo

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Idan Arye via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 21:57:36 UTC, Dave wrote: In regards to being faster, I'm not a big fan of exceptions in the first place. This probably explains my perspective on them, but I am familiar with their typical use case. And it's to communicate errors. I'd much prefer something like what

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 6/10/2015 12:56 PM, Russel Winder via Digitalmars-d wrote: Please note, OED (which is the definition of the English language whatever any USA upstarts may try to pretend) is gearing up to define they as both singular and plural, thus at a stroke solving all the he/she, she/he, (s)he, it

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Brian Rogoff via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 19:57:15 UTC, Russel Winder wrote: Please note, OED (which is the definition of the English language whatever any USA upstarts may try to pretend) Glad to hear it. Please tell your countrymen to prefer the '-ize' suffix, as we colonials do, to the '-ise' one,

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread rsw0x via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:45:49 UTC, thedeemon wrote: On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 07:15:31 UTC, rsw0x wrote: Boehm's GC uses this and regularly kept up(~5-10%) with essentially all of the top of the line GCs in all the papers I read. Ah, so you only read papers about very bad GCs,

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-11 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 18:13:53 UTC, Dave wrote: D did get thread local storage correct, but I think people are starting to get on board with having restrictions by default because it prevents bugs (and the annotations are grepable). Kind of like what Rust is doing. If this is the case,

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:53:06 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:46:48 UTC, Israel wrote: Ruby that compiles? Yet Rust, Nim and Crystal is a very young languages. And alas, life is not eternal to wait five years of a flourishing language :) There are already

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 01:21:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:25:36 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:02:55 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/396c95/of_the_emerging_systems_languages_rust_d_go_nim/ ...

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 07:40:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 01:21:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:25:36 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:02:55 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote:

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 08:17:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 07:40:23 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 01:21:05 UTC, weaselcat wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:25:36 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:02:55 UTC, Ali

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread weaselcat via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote: One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is. Other

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Chris via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:53:06 UTC, Dennis Ritchie wrote: On Tuesday, 9 June 2015 at 18:46:48 UTC, Israel wrote: Ruby that compiles? Yet Rust, Nim and Crystal is a very young languages. And alas, life is not eternal to wait five years of a flourishing language :) There are already

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Thiez via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 09:23:54 UTC, Chris wrote: One big difference between the D community and other languages' communities is is that D people keep criticizing the language and see every little flaw in every little corner, which is good and which is why D is the way it is. Or

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 16:02:36 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: Yeah, I think it would be nice if one could change the culture of programming so that people easily could combine any 2 languages in the same project. But shouldn't there be one language that's right for everyone? (BTW I

Re: Asked on Reddit: Which of Rust, D, Go, Nim, and Crystal is the strongest and why?

2015-06-10 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 16:22:51 UTC, Idan Arye wrote: Wasn't LLVM supposed to solve that, being a virtual machine for compilation to low level native code? May still be possible, Apple just announced that the default format to submit apps for iOS will be bitcode from now on, which

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