On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 04:08:14PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Important thing here is that starting with git 1.8.2 it is possible to
set submodule to track head of remote branch instead of fixed commit
hash - which fixes the maintenance issue and is exactly the thing
needed for
On 1/15/15 10:27 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 04:08:14PM +, Dicebot via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Important thing here is that starting with git 1.8.2 it is possible to
set submodule to track head of remote branch instead of fixed commit
hash - which fixes the
Important thing here is that starting with git 1.8.2 it is
possible to set submodule to track head of remote branch instead
of fixed commit hash - which fixes the maintenance issue and is
exactly the thing needed for meta-dlang repo.
On Thursday, 15 January 2015 at 07:33:38 UTC, Jacob Carlborg
wrote:
On 2015-01-14 21:54, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I hear you but The Internet says submodules are a kind of a
bummer.
Most issues I have read about is because they don't know how
submodules work. It's the same thing with most
On 15/01/2015 8:35 p.m., Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2015-01-15 02:48, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
Dub can run external processes but its best to leave it up to the end
dev to run the c/assembly generation. When they want it regenerated.
I think its best we commit most of the binary outputs.
Mostly
On 2015-01-15 09:30, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
Imagine your wanting to get some new flash feature (doesn't require
compiler change) by just adding druntime/phobos as a dependency via dub.
You don't really want to recompile the assembly/c stuff that almost
definitely hasn't changed.
Why not?
On 16/01/2015 1:19 a.m., Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2015-01-15 09:30, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
Imagine your wanting to get some new flash feature (doesn't require
compiler change) by just adding druntime/phobos as a dependency via dub.
You don't really want to recompile the assembly/c stuff that
On 2015-01-15 19:45, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I'd be okay with reorganizing our repos as a module with the submodules
dmd, druntime, phobos, and tools. For that we'd need a champion who is
willing to try it, experiment with it (e.g. in a separate repo),
demonstrate its advantages and discuss
On 2015-01-15 17:08, Dicebot wrote:
Important thing here is that starting with git 1.8.2 it is possible to
set submodule to track head of remote branch instead of fixed commit
hash - which fixes the maintenance issue and is exactly the thing needed
for meta-dlang repo.
Yeah, but in practice I
On 1/14/15 3:29 AM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m95i3q$1t6$1...@digitalmars.com...
I don't mind using include files, I mind adding more dependencies
between projects.
Why? Druntime depends on dmd. Phobos depends on dmd and druntime.
Dlang.org and tools
On 1/14/15 9:36 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
What stops us from adding said scripts to the dlang.org repo? Or tools,
for that matter, which is probably more appropriate.
Not everything needs to be shoehorned into the makefiles.
As I explained in my previous message it's a sensible
On 1/14/15 8:50 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:
IMO helpers (such as git helpers) are not part of the build process, so
they should not be part of the build files. Few people care about make
rebase. I'm not saying we should delete them (they obviously are useful
to you), but moving them to tools might
On 1/14/15 9:36 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
Because it imposes a specific external directory structure which the
casual user has no idea about.
I think that's a given already and has been for a long time. -- Andrei
On 1/14/15 9:36 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
What stops us from adding said scripts to the dlang.org repo? Or tools,
for that matter, which is probably more appropriate.
Oh, I just figured that would make everything dependent on dlang.org.
That would be a new dependency :o). --
On 1/14/15 9:36 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
I'm astonished this has to be spelled out in, of all places, a D forum.
Surely, of all people, we D people must be all too familiar with exactly
why things like #include ../../../mylib/mymod/myheader.h are evil?
I think that would be
On 1/14/15 9:01 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 04:27:10PM +0100, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On 2015-01-14 00:20, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
I think it's time to reduce clutter and duplication by migrating such
common stuff into one
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:50:39AM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On 1/14/15 9:01 AM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 04:27:10PM +0100, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On 2015-01-14 00:20, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
I think
On 1/14/15 12:18 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
If you set up a
super-repo, it would look something like this:
dlang/ # root git repo
dmd/# git submodule referencing the dmd repo
druntime/ # git submodule
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 20:07:12 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
On 1/14/15 8:50 AM, Mathias LANG wrote:
IMO helpers (such as git helpers) are not part of the build
process, so
they should not be part of the build files. Few people care
about make
rebase. I'm not saying we should
On 1/14/15 3:14 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
So a dub file for phobos is needed? And maybe druntime too? I'll see
what I can do.
That would be very interesting, thanks. Prolly druntime is easiest -
one less dependency. Please share all discoveries you make with the core
team here. -- Andrei
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 23:58:45 UTC, Rikki Cattermole
wrote:
On 15/01/2015 12:24 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 1/14/15 3:14 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
So a dub file for phobos is needed? And maybe druntime too?
I'll see
what I can do.
That would be very interesting,
On 15/01/2015 1:15 p.m., Mathias LANG wrote:
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 23:58:45 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
On 15/01/2015 12:24 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 1/14/15 3:14 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
So a dub file for phobos is needed? And maybe druntime too? I'll see
what I can
On 15/01/2015 12:24 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 1/14/15 3:14 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
So a dub file for phobos is needed? And maybe druntime too? I'll see
what I can do.
That would be very interesting, thanks. Prolly druntime is easiest -
one less dependency. Please share all
On 15/01/2015 2:58 p.m., Mathias LANG wrote:
On Thursday, 15 January 2015 at 01:48:29 UTC, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
Druntime and phobos now can be built and even more importantly you can
have druntime as a dependency to phobos. In fact it is.
Phobos supports being built as a dynamic library
On Thursday, 15 January 2015 at 01:48:29 UTC, Rikki Cattermole
wrote:
Druntime and phobos now can be built and even more importantly
you can have druntime as a dependency to phobos. In fact it is.
Phobos supports being built as a dynamic library (there is a
configuration for for it).
So if you
On 2015-01-14 00:20, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose macros
for e.g. rebasing repos, see
On 2015-01-15 02:48, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
Dub can run external processes but its best to leave it up to the end
dev to run the c/assembly generation. When they want it regenerated.
I think its best we commit most of the binary outputs.
Mostly c/assembly generation. Not the D stuff.
Why
On 2015-01-14 21:54, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
I hear you but The Internet says submodules are a kind of a bummer.
Most issues I have read about is because they don't know how submodules
work. It's the same thing with most tools, if you don't know how to use
it the experience is going to
On 2015-01-14 20:50, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Currently there must be a place where druntime finds dmd for building
purposes. Also phobos needs to find druntime. Also dlang.ord needs to
find the source of both phobos and druntime.
There's no specific setup of one person as much as a boring:
On 15/01/2015 12:24 p.m., Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 1/14/15 3:14 PM, Rikki Cattermole wrote:
So a dub file for phobos is needed? And maybe druntime too? I'll see
what I can do.
That would be very interesting, thanks. Prolly druntime is easiest -
one less dependency. Please share all
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 04:27:10PM +0100, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On 2015-01-14 00:20, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
[...]
I think it's time to reduce clutter and duplication by migrating such
common stuff into one common.mak file. Question is, where should that
file sit? One
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:58:02AM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
On 1/14/15 2:09 AM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
[...]
Do enough people need to that it warrants being in the makefile
instead of a local shell script? Does everyone do it the same way?
Yes.
Currently I'm the
On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 at 23:20:13 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated
across our makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose
macros for e.g. rebasing repos,
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 04:29:57 UTC, Paul O'Neil wrote:
I put off some documentation updates a few months ago because
it wasn't
worth the investment yet to figure out how to build the
website. The
wiki pages appeared to be about building the compiler, which I
didn't
realize I
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m94vfk$2gdh$1...@digitalmars.com...
Hmmm... I wonder why the distinction.
OS detection is required to build successfully, a rebase shortcut is not.
The problem is basic code duplication with its known liabilities. I'm
looking at stuff like this:
On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 at 07:55:31 UTC, Mike wrote:
Would it be better to wikify it, somehow, in GitHub
pages?
I think wiki is the wrong term here. I mean, is there a way to
leverage Markdown (or some other markup language) with GitHub's
source code management features to make it
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:20 -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
Are these three separate things with separate builds, or are they three
components of
One thought because of somethings being said, dmd-fe is being converted
to D. Which means to compile dmd you need a D compiler already.
We could make all the build scripts, D instead.
It would mean one less external to D ecosystem dependency.
But it could easily be a nightmare.
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m95ds3$2vm4$1...@digitalmars.com...
I agree that make sucks etc. but duplication sucks more (and would suck
regardless of what tool we use). Here we do have a simple method (include
files) that is suitable for addressing that. I'd assume we'd use
On 1/14/15 2:09 AM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m95ds3$2vm4$1...@digitalmars.com...
I agree that make sucks etc. but duplication sucks more (and would
suck regardless of what tool we use). Here we do have a simple method
(include files) that is suitable for
On 1/14/15 12:29 AM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
The problem here is really that make sucks, right? And makefiles suck.
Maybe we should start seriously looking at replacing them with D scripts.
I agree that make sucks etc. but duplication sucks more (and would suck
regardless of what tool we use).
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message news:m95i3q$1t6$1...@digitalmars.com...
I don't mind using include files, I mind adding more dependencies
between projects.
Why? Druntime depends on dmd. Phobos depends on dmd and druntime.
Dlang.org and tools depend on dmd, druntime, and phobos. It's
On 1/13/2015 3:20 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our makefiles
for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose macros for e.g.
rebasing repos, see
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m9497d$1pv2$1...@digitalmars.com...
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose macros for
e.g. rebasing repos, see
On 01/13/2015 09:35 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
snip
1) These interdependencies are currently expressed by hard-coded
filesystem paths, which presumes a specific directory layout for
checking out dmd, dlang.org, phobos, druntime. This means the build will
break if somebody doesn't know the
On 1/13/15 7:44 PM, Daniel Murphy wrote:
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote in message
news:m9497d$1pv2$1...@digitalmars.com...
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer)
On 1/13/15 8:29 PM, Paul O'Neil wrote:
On 01/13/2015 09:35 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
snip
1) These interdependencies are currently expressed by hard-coded
filesystem paths, which presumes a specific directory layout for
checking out dmd, dlang.org, phobos, druntime. This means the build
On 1/13/15 8:49 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
It's a few lines of duplication, as opposed to adding another point of
failure to the build process, i.e. common.mak isn't found or the wrong
one is found, etc.
I'd have difficulty agreeing with this. If dmd is found then whatever is
there is found.
On 1/13/15 3:55 PM, H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 03:20:12PM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose macros
for e.g. rebasing repos, see
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:20:12 -0800
Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 03:20:12PM -0800, Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d
wrote:
Hey folks,
Over the time a number of stuff has become quite duplicated across our
makefiles for dmd, druntime, and phobos.
These include fetching OS and model but (newer) general-purpose macros for
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