On 7/6/10 11:35 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"BCS" wrote in message
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Hello dsimcha,
If we're really lucky, Bilski Vs. Kappos
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Bilski) will send all the software
patent attorneys to the poorhouse next wee
"BCS" wrote in message
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> Hello dsimcha,
>
>
>> If we're really lucky, Bilski Vs. Kappos
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Bilski) will send all the software
>> patent attorneys to the poorhouse next week and we can just start
>> trampl
Hello dsimcha,
If we're really lucky, Bilski Vs. Kappos
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Bilski) will send all the software
patent attorneys to the poorhouse next week and we can just start
trampling freely.
FWIW:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-964.pdf
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bearophile Wrote:
> Leandro Lucarella:
> > Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
> > speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
>
> If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and then
> change the 15% of it or even 20%. There must exist
Hello bearophile,
But it's economically advantageous for Microsoft to make it easy for
people to create new compilers and languages for Windows that work
well with other Windows programs. So in my opinion having a good
Clang++ on Windows is good for the economic well-being of Windows.
They can
Hello Jérôme,
KennyTM~ wrote:
On Jun 24, 10 03:57, bearophile wrote:
Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was
ignorant about GNU license.
if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws
then the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice versa
Hello Don,
KennyTM~ wrote:
Why should Microsoft do that instead of promoting Visual C++? ;)
Because there's no money in compilers anymore.
Very true. Or in languages for that matter. But there is huge money in tools.
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"bearophile" wrote in message
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> Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was ignorant
> about GNU license.
>
>> if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws then
>> the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice v
KennyTM~ wrote:
> On Jun 24, 10 03:57, bearophile wrote:
>> Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was
>> ignorant about GNU license.
>>
>>> if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws then
>>> the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice versa of c
KennyTM~ wrote:
On Jun 24, 10 03:57, bearophile wrote:
Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was
ignorant about GNU license.
if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws then
the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice versa of course).
SEH w
On Jun 24, 10 03:57, bearophile wrote:
Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was ignorant about
GNU license.
if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws then
the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice versa of course).
SEH would allow this t
Thank you Jerome and all the people that have answered me, I was ignorant about
GNU license.
> if you call a DLL and give it a callback and your callback throws then
> the cleanup code in the DLL won't be run (and vice versa of course).
> SEH would allow this to work.
If someone writes a compile
bearophile wrote:
> Robert Jacques:
>> The patent seems to be Borlands's:
>> USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support for SEH.
>> From a Wine wiki page: http://wiki.winehq.org/CompilerExceptionSupport
>>
>> It does seem to expire on June 15, 2014, though and I assume Digi
"bearophile" wrote in message
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> Leandro Lucarella:
>> Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
>> speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
>
> If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and
> then chan
That's funny. I read you original answer and laughed. It was too true!
On Jun 23, 10 19:18, bearophile wrote:
Leandro Lucarella:
Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and then
change the 15% of it or even 20%. There mu
Hello bearophile,
Leandro Lucarella:
Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and
then change the 15% of it or even 20%. There must exist a minimum
a
bearophile wrote:
Leandro Lucarella:
Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and then
change the 15% of it or even 20%. There must exist a minimum am
Leandro Lucarella:
> Yes, I don't think "copying with 'cosmetic changes'" works, legally
> speaking. Otherwise everybody would be doing it.
If 10% of changes is not legally enough, they LLVM dev can copy it and then
change the 15% of it or even 20%. There must exist a minimum amount of
differenc
"BCS" wrote in message
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> Hello Nick,
>
>> "BCS" wrote in message
>> news:a6268ff157f28cce05385dcf...@news.digitalmars.com...
>>
>>> Hello Nick,
>>>
Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
software patent
Hello Nick,
"BCS" wrote in message
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Hello bearophile,
Robert Jacques:
The patent seems to be Borlands's:
USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support
for SEH.
From a Wine wiki page:
http://wiki.winehq.org/Compil
Hello dsimcha,
== Quote from BCS (n...@anon.com)'s article
Hello dsimcha,
== Quote from Brad Roberts (bra...@slice-2.puremagic.com)'s article
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
software patents can't write anythin
Hello Nick,
"BCS" wrote in message
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Hello Nick,
Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
software patents can't write anything more useful than "Hello
World". I'm seriously not convinced at all that it's even p
Leandro Lucarella, el 23 de junio a las 00:31 me escribiste:
> Nick Sabalausky, el 22 de junio a las 22:35 me escribiste:
> > "BCS" wrote in message
> > news:a6268ff1581a8cce05541b41...@news.digitalmars.com...
> > > Hello bearophile,
> > >
> > >> Robert Jacques:
> > >>
> > >>> The patent seems to
On 6/22/2010 7:07 PM, BCS wrote:
> Hello Brad,
>
>
>> I agree that excess paranoia isn't warranted, but neither is willful
>> ignorance.
>
> Willful ignorance is the recommendation in some shops as it avoids
> triple damages.
What I meant was s/ignorance/infringement/.. major disconnect between
Nick Sabalausky, el 22 de junio a las 22:35 me escribiste:
> "BCS" wrote in message
> news:a6268ff1581a8cce05541b41...@news.digitalmars.com...
> > Hello bearophile,
> >
> >> Robert Jacques:
> >>
> >>> The patent seems to be Borlands's:
> >>> USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compi
BCS, el 23 de junio a las 02:09 me escribiste:
> Hello bearophile,
>
> >Leandro Lucarella:
> >
> >>but about 2), one of the main goals of LLVM was
> >>to have a less restrictive license than GPL, so copying GPL code is
> >>not
> >>an option for them.
> >Can't you copy it by something like 90%, eno
== Quote from BCS (n...@anon.com)'s article
> Hello dsimcha,
> > == Quote from Brad Roberts (bra...@slice-2.puremagic.com)'s article
> >
> >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> >>
> >>> Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
> >>> software patents can't write a
"BCS" wrote in message
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> Hello bearophile,
>
>> Robert Jacques:
>>
>>> The patent seems to be Borlands's:
>>> USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support
>>> for SEH.
>>> From a Wine wiki page:
>>> http://wiki.winehq.
"BCS" wrote in message
news:a6268ff157f28cce05385dcf...@news.digitalmars.com...
> Hello Nick,
>
>> Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
>> software patents can't write anything more useful than "Hello World".
>> I'm seriously not convinced at all that it's even possib
Hello bearophile,
Leandro Lucarella:
but about 2), one of the main goals of LLVM was
to have a less restrictive license than GPL, so copying GPL code is
not
an option for them.
Can't you copy it by something like 90%, enough to be able to call it
different code (that's what I was referring wi
Hello Brad,
I agree that excess paranoia isn't warranted, but neither is willful
ignorance.
Willful ignorance is the recommendation in some shops as it avoids triple
damages.
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Hello Leandro,
Kagamin, el 22 de junio a las 07:01 me escribiste:
Robert Jacques Wrote:
The main issue (as I understand it) is adding windows style
structured exception handling to LLVM.
C++ compiles for me. Or are there some other issues?
LDC compiles too, but it doesn't support except
Hello bearophile,
Robert Jacques:
The patent seems to be Borlands's:
USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support
for SEH.
From a Wine wiki page:
http://wiki.winehq.org/CompilerExceptionSupport
It does seem to expire on June 15, 2014, though and I assume
DigitalMars has
Hello dsimcha,
== Quote from Brad Roberts (bra...@slice-2.puremagic.com)'s article
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing
software patents can't write anything more useful than "Hello
World". I'm seriously not convinced a
Hello Nick,
"Robert Jacques" wrote in message
news:op.vepzxsdx26s...@sandford...
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:47:14 -0400, BCS wrote:
Hello Robert,
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:55:48 -0400, BCS wrote:
The main issue (as I understand it) is adding windows style
structured exception handling to LLVM
Leandro Lucarella:
> but about 2), one of the main goals of LLVM was
> to have a less restrictive license than GPL, so copying GPL code is not
> an option for them.
Can't you copy it by something like 90%, enough to be able to call it different
code (that's what I was referring with 'cosmetic cha
bearophile, el 22 de junio a las 19:25 me escribiste:
> Robert Jacques:
> > The patent seems to be Borlands's:
> > USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support for SEH.
> > From a Wine wiki page: http://wiki.winehq.org/CompilerExceptionSupport
> >
> > It does seem to expire
== Quote from Brad Roberts (bra...@slice-2.puremagic.com)'s article
> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> > Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing software
> > patents can't write anything more useful than "Hello World". I'm seriously
> > not convinced at all th
Robert Jacques:
> The patent seems to be Borlands's:
> USPTO patent #5,628,016 Patent held by Borland on compiler support for SEH.
> From a Wine wiki page: http://wiki.winehq.org/CompilerExceptionSupport
>
> It does seem to expire on June 15, 2014, though and I assume DigitalMars
> has a licens
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> Seems a weak reason. A programmer that's worried about infringing software
> patents can't write anything more useful than "Hello World". I'm seriously
> not convinced at all that it's even possible to write useful code that
> doesn't technically in
"Robert Jacques" wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:47:14 -0400, BCS wrote:
>
>> Hello Robert,
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:55:48 -0400, BCS wrote:
>>>
>>> The main issue (as I understand it) is adding windows style structured
>>> exception handling to
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:47:14 -0400, BCS wrote:
Hello Robert,
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:55:48 -0400, BCS wrote:
Hello Leandro,
Nick Sabalausky, el 21 de junio a las 13:40 me escribiste:
"Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
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In the end, Windows is th
Hello Robert,
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:55:48 -0400, BCS wrote:
Hello Leandro,
Nick Sabalausky, el 21 de junio a las 13:40 me escribiste:
"Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
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In the end, Windows is the most popular
OS despite our personal preferences
Kagamin, el 22 de junio a las 07:01 me escribiste:
> Robert Jacques Wrote:
>
> > The main issue (as I understand it) is adding windows style structured
> > exception handling to LLVM.
>
> C++ compiles for me. Or are there some other issues?
LDC compiles too, but it doesn't support exceptions.
Robert Jacques Wrote:
> The main issue (as I understand it) is adding windows style structured
> exception handling to LLVM.
C++ compiles for me. Or are there some other issues?
On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:55:48 -0400, BCS wrote:
Hello Leandro,
Nick Sabalausky, el 21 de junio a las 13:40 me escribiste:
"Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
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In the end, Windows is the most popular
OS despite our personal preferences, and it's worth
Hello Robert,
On 21/06/10 16:07, dsimcha wrote:
What is the long-term plan for the current DMD backend? I've noticed
the
first steps towards 64-bit support were just checked in today
(excitement to
the extreme). However, the backend is under such a restrictive
license (which
I understand Wal
Hello Leandro,
Nick Sabalausky, el 21 de junio a las 13:40 me escribiste:
"Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
news:hvo49k$1uk...@digitalmars.com...
In the end, Windows is the most popular
OS despite our personal preferences, and it's worth spending some
time for
it.
I wish someone could
In windows if you want use some lib that is not provide dynamic dll support,
you need compile it with dmc. In this case your need deal a lot problem with
lack of c head file . if there is a vc++ version backend will be big help
for a lot of people who is not familiarity with c/c++ .
2010/6/22 El
Nick Sabalausky, el 21 de junio a las 13:40 me escribiste:
> "Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
> news:hvo49k$1uk...@digitalmars.com...
> >
> > In the end, Windows is the most popular
> > OS despite our personal preferences, and it's worth spending some time for
> > it.
> >
>
> I wish someon
On 21/06/10 16:07, dsimcha wrote:
What is the long-term plan for the current DMD backend? I've noticed the
first steps towards 64-bit support were just checked in today (excitement to
the extreme). However, the backend is under such a restrictive license (which
I understand Walter is not free t
"Eldar Insafutdinov" wrote in message
news:hvo49k$1uk...@digitalmars.com...
>
> In the end, Windows is the most popular
> OS despite our personal preferences, and it's worth spending some time for
> it.
>
I wish someone could convince LLVM of that...
== Quote from dsimcha (dsim...@yahoo.com)'s article
> What is the long-term plan for the current DMD backend? I've noticed the
> first steps towards 64-bit support were just checked in today (excitement to
> the extreme). However, the backend is under such a restrictive license (which
> I underst
dsimcha wrote:
> What is the long-term plan for the current DMD backend? I've noticed
> the
> first steps towards 64-bit support were just checked in today
> (excitement to
> the extreme). However, the backend is under such a restrictive
> license (which
> I understand Walter is not free to chan
What is the long-term plan for the current DMD backend? I've noticed the
first steps towards 64-bit support were just checked in today (excitement to
the extreme). However, the backend is under such a restrictive license (which
I understand Walter is not free to change) that it has a "bus factor"
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