On 28/01/2011 12:41, Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 28.01.2011 13:33, schrieb Bruno Medeiros:
On 08/01/2011 09:14, Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that
On 08/01/2011 09:14, Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors. So I tried to
power on
Am 28.01.2011 13:33, schrieb Bruno Medeiros:
On 08/01/2011 09:14, Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC
On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:53:20 +, Iain Buclaw wrote:
== Quote from Ellery Newcomer (ellery-newco...@utulsa.edu)'s article
On 01/08/2011 02:37 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Never let indentation fool you, the else clause will be assumed to be
for the first condition. :o)
I don't believe you
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Friday, January 07, 2011 11:06:23 Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 1/7/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Some of them, like the hard drive LED, don't even
indicate
the polarity on the connector..
I hate those things. There's bunch of LEDs on the PC case
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors. So I tried to
power on the PC without having plugged either CPU or RAM and it
started to say NO CPU FOUND! NO CPU FOUND! in a loop with a
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors. So I tried to
power on the PC without having plugged either CPU or RAM and it
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors. So I tried to
power on the PC without having plugged
On Saturday 08 January 2011 01:14:41 Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday 08 January 2011 00:16:13 Walter Bright wrote:
Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors.
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On and Off would be much better, but I suspect that it's one of those
things where they chose symbols instead so that they didn't have to worry about
internationalization. That way, it confuses _everyone_ instead of just non-
English speakers. ;)
I suspect as much,
Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On and Off would be much better, but I suspect that it's one of those
things where they chose symbols instead so that they didn't have to worry
about internationalization. That way, it confuses _everyone_ instead of
just non- English speakers. ;)
The Reddit thread about this little article shows some interesting sub-threads:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/exfnb/patterns_of_bugs/
So I add some more comments to my first answer to the article:
== Quote from Lutger Blijdestijn (lutger.blijdest...@gmail.com)'s article
Walter Bright wrote:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On and Off would be much better, but I suspect that it's one of those
things where they chose symbols instead so that they didn't have to worry
about
Iain Buclaw:
On the note of if statements. One pattern of bugs I see on the odd occasion
are
else statements written like this:
if (condition1)
if (condition2)
statement1;
else
statement2;
Always takes a moment or two to look again and realise it wouldn't
== Quote from bearophile (bearophileh...@lycos.com)'s article
Iain Buclaw:
On the note of if statements. One pattern of bugs I see on the odd occasion
are
else statements written like this:
if (condition1)
if (condition2)
statement1;
else
statement2;
Iain Buclaw:
http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4924
I don't see that as a bug, and that enforces a certain coding style onto the
end
programmer
I agree that's a bit controversial, but a known C lint finds that problem, and
every strategy is good against bugs :-)
(does no
Am 08.01.2011 08:57, schrieb Jérôme M. Berger:
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Friday, January 07, 2011 11:06:23 Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 1/7/11, Walter Brightnewshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Some of them, like the hard drive LED, don't even
indicate
the polarity on the connector..
I hate
On 08.01.2011 15:13, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On the note of if statements. One pattern of bugs I see on the odd occasion are
else statements written like this:
if (condition1)
if (condition2)
statement1;
else
statement2;
Always takes a moment or two to look again and
Daniel Gibson wrote:
Am 08.01.2011 08:57, schrieb Jérôme M. Berger:
When I built my latest PC, I saw in the MB manual that it would use
speech synthesis on the PC speaker to report errors. So I tried to
power on the PC without having plugged either CPU or RAM and it
started to say NO CPU
Jérôme M. Berger jeber...@free.fr wrote in message
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It is an Asus A7N8X.
Unless I'm just out-of-date, Asus does tend to be pretty good.
I wonder if you can hack the thing to say whatever you want.
== Quote from Andrej Mitrovic (andrej.mitrov...@gmail.com)'s article
I wonder if you can hack the thing to say whatever you want.
If you'd could I'd program it to say Good Afternoon Michael every time I turn
it
on.
== Quote from torhu (n...@spam.invalid)'s article
On 08.01.2011 15:13, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On the note of if statements. One pattern of bugs I see on the odd occasion
are
else statements written like this:
if (condition1)
if (condition2)
statement1;
else
On 01/08/2011 02:37 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Never let indentation fool you, the else clause will be assumed to be for the
first condition. :o)
I don't believe you
== Quote from Ellery Newcomer (ellery-newco...@utulsa.edu)'s article
On 01/08/2011 02:37 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Never let indentation fool you, the else clause will be assumed to be for
the
first condition. :o)
I don't believe you
Are you saying it *isn't* interpreted as:
if (i)
Am 08.01.2011 21:53, schrieb Iain Buclaw:
== Quote from Ellery Newcomer (ellery-newco...@utulsa.edu)'s article
On 01/08/2011 02:37 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
Never let indentation fool you, the else clause will be assumed to be for the
first condition. :o)
I don't believe you
Are you saying it
bearophile wrote:
The problem here is that writing code is a creative thinking process.
Bolting things to an airplane is not.
This is an important insight that I think Walter article misses.
Not at all. Most of software engineering work consists of plugging in
subassemblies. In this case,
Walter:
Not at all. Most of software engineering work consists of plugging in
subassemblies. In this case, designing the grammar such that the
subassemblies
of the grammar won't fit together in ways that don't make sense is perfectly
analogous.
I see and I agree. That
On 01/06/2011 09:38 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
Good points. However, computer hardware analogies are a bit outdated.
For example, USB is prevalent nowadays. You
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Although the book is justifiably a classic, its subtitle is the very
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On 01/06/2011 09:38 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
Good points. However,
Max Samukha wrote:
On 01/06/2011 09:38 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
Good points. However, computer hardware analogies are a bit outdated.
For example, USB is prevalent
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Also, I'm pretty sure that, quite a while ago, the PS/2 ports did start
getting made to work with either keyboard or mouse even though they often
still got labeled as being just one or the other.
Last time I tried that, it didn't work.
On 1/7/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Some of them, like the hard drive LED, don't even
indicate
the polarity on the connector..
I hate those things. There's bunch of LEDs on the PC case - USB
indicators, power LEDs, etc, and they all have this super-tiny
connector and they
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:47:43 -0500, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Max Samukha wrote:
Also, memory module connectors are incompatible starting from I believe
DDR. You won't be able to stick DDR2 module into DDR slot. Actually,
this applies to almost any modern PC
Walter Bright Wrote:
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
Also, I'm pretty sure that, quite a while ago, the PS/2 ports did start
getting made to work with either keyboard or mouse even though they often
still got labeled as being just one or the other.
Last time I tried that, it didn't work.
You
On Friday, January 07, 2011 11:06:23 Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 1/7/11, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Some of them, like the hard drive LED, don't even
indicate
the polarity on the connector..
I hate those things. There's bunch of LEDs on the PC case - USB
indicators,
On Friday, January 07, 2011 11:07:54 Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Typically, those are not keyed because it's not expected for a normal user
to be accessing those cables. Removing the cover of a PC is like casting
in D :)
LOL. Yeah. Every time that I build a box, I think about how it would
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 11:27:14AM -0800, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
is getting too warm. However, I think that it's horrific that anything in the
OS
or any program on the computer at all uses the PC speaker.
I *love* the pc speaker. It is the only kind of application alert sound I
actually
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message
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Max Samukha wrote:
On 01/06/2011 09:38 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:44:10 -0500, Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote:
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message
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Max Samukha wrote:
On 01/06/2011 09:38 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
Steven Schveighoffer schvei...@yahoo.com wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 14:44:10 -0500, Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote:
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message
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Max Samukha wrote:
On
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
On 2011-01-06 21:38:38 +0200, Walter Bright said:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/exfnb/patterns_of_bugs/
done!
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message
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http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
I noticed that C-style octal literals were conspicuously absent from
On 06/01/11 19:38, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
It's too bad there doesn't seem to be an online repository of them.
They would make for great research material for
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
I noticed that C-style octal literals were conspicuously absent from the
examples ;)
Everyone has their favorite pattern. I could literally list thousands of them.
Great article, though. Having been in D-land for so long, and being a
long-time hardcore fan of the
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Robert Clipsham
rob...@octarineparrot.comwrote:
On 06/01/11 19:38, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Anyone want to post it on reddit?
It's too bad there doesn't seem to be an
Walter:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
(dedicated to bearophile!)
Thank you Walter :-)
The article is simple but nice. Few comments:
The possible mechanic's mistake is designed out of the system.
In the first books written by Donald Norman there are many
Guilherme Vieira Wrote:
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Robert Clipsham
rob...@octarineparrot.comwrote:
If no one else volunteers I guess I could hack something crude together, it
would still need people to volunteer bugs for it, as well as sources/proof
for each bug (links to
Am 06.01.2011 21:37, schrieb Guilherme Vieira:
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Robert Clipsham rob...@octarineparrot.com
mailto:rob...@octarineparrot.com wrote:
On 06/01/11 19:38, Walter Bright wrote:
http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2011/01/patterns_of_bug.html
Nick Sabalausky a...@a.a wrote in news:ig5860$231...@digitalmars.com:
long-time hardcore fan of the classic book Writing Solid Code, the
Although the book is justifiably a classic, its subtitle is the very
definition of the expression unintentionally hilarious.
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