On Saturday, January 07, 2012 22:19:53 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the perceptions and
> misperceptions about D within the larger community.
>
> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/58832/
Not exactly the most informed discussion. But I would ex
On 1/8/2012 3:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Saturday, January 07, 2012 22:19:53 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the perceptions and
misperceptions about D within the larger community.
http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/58832/
Not exactly the
"Andrei Alexandrescu" wrote in message
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> Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the perceptions and
> misperceptions about D within the larger community.
>
> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/lounge/58832/
>
Every time I log in and go to that pag
Nick Sabalausky wrote:
And that Visual-D just had a new release that includes
experimental code completion, and that Visual-D and DDT are
both rapidly evolving...
Awesome! Mono-D has code-completion and renaming features as
well. There's an issue with MonoDevelop preventing tooltips, but
it'
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> > I was impressed though that none of them seemed to be buying any of the crap
> that "rapidcoder" was spreading.
>
rapidcoder's brother has put up a video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rI85jH3F4U&feature=related
On 1/7/2012 10:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Not exactly the most informed discussion.
Well, some of their comments _ARE_ spot-on correct...
2. "While you can avoid the garbage collector, that basically means you
can't use most of the standard library."
Looks pretty darn correct to me --
On 1/8/2012 6:28 PM, Mehrdad wrote:
On 1/7/2012 10:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Not exactly the most informed discussion.
Well, some of their comments _ARE_ spot-on correct...
2. "While you can avoid the garbage collector, that basically means you
can't use most of the standard library."
Lo
On 1/8/2012 4:26 PM, dsimcha wrote:
On 1/8/2012 6:28 PM, Mehrdad wrote:
2. "While you can avoid the garbage collector, that basically means you
can't use most of the standard library."
Looks pretty darn correct to me -- from the fixed-size array literal
issue (literals are on the GC heap), to al
On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 23:28:57 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing
things like removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated
(which will officially make it not usable as an SP language).
Looks 100% correct. Removing 'delete' /does/ make D unus
On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 23:28:57 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
On 1/7/2012 10:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Not exactly the most informed discussion.
Well, some of their comments _ARE_ spot-on correct...
computerquip did a very good job highlighting the bad points.
rapidcoder failed miserably t
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:26:15 -0500
dsimcha wrote:
> As someone who does performance-critical scientific work in D, this
> comment is absolutely **wrong** because you only need to avoid the GC
> in the most performance-critical/realtime parts of your code, i.e.
> where you should be avoiding any
On 1/8/2012 7:09 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 23:28:57 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated (which will
officially make it not usable as an SP language).
Looks 10
On Monday, January 09, 2012 00:51:57 Mehrdad wrote:
> On 1/8/2012 7:09 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> > On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 23:28:57 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
> >> 7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
> >> removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated (which w
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Monday, January 09, 2012 00:51:57 Mehrdad wrote:
>> On 1/8/2012 7:09 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
>> > On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 23:28:57 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
>> >> 7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
>> >> removing "delete" as it's
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:28:54 -0500, Mehrdad wrote:
7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated (which will officially
make it not usable as an SP language).
Looks 100% correct. Removing 'delete' /does/ make D unusa
On 1/9/2012 2:56 AM, Gour wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:26:15 -0500
dsimcha wrote:
As someone who does performance-critical scientific work in D, this
comment is absolutely **wrong** because you only need to avoid the GC
in the most performance-critical/realtime parts of your code, i.e.
where
On Sunday, 8 January 2012 at 04:19:52 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the
perceptions and misperceptions about D within the larger
community.
They did not touch any new topic we did not talk about here on
this NG, and on irc://irc.freenode.org
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:28:11 -0500
dsimcha wrote:
> Pure command line/console.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Gour
--
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even one of the roaming senses on which the mind
focuses can carry away a man's intelligence.
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On 01/09/2012 07:58 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:28:54 -0500, Mehrdad wrote:
7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated (which will officially
make it not usable as an SP language).
Looks 100%
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:47:13 -0500, Zachary Lund
wrote:
On 01/09/2012 07:58 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:28:54 -0500, Mehrdad
wrote:
7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing things like
removing "delete" as it's apparently deprecated (which wil
"note that D removes probably the most important feature of C++ that makes
C++ so powerful: templates and replaces it with something even weaker than
Java generics"
I had to read that sentence over again. Did he say "D"? Oh well... talking
about misperceptions.
On 1/9/2012 1:02 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
I believe that the general idea is that if you want to manually manage memory,
then you don't use the GC heap, though core.memory.GC will still allow some
level of manual control for the GC. I'm not aware of any plan to add a
"delete" function to anyth
Already possible via Runtime.collectHandler, though I'll admit it could be done
more elegantly.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 9, 2012, at 5:58 AM, "Steven Schveighoffer" wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:28:54 -0500, Mehrdad wrote:
>
>> 7. Unstable language. They're currently considering doing t
On 1/9/2012 7:31 AM, Marco Leise wrote:
"note that D removes probably the most important feature of C++ that makes C++
so powerful: templates and replaces it with something even weaker than Java
generics"
I had to read that sentence over again. Did he say "D"? Oh well... talking about
mispercept
On Monday, January 09, 2012 10:15:37 Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/9/2012 7:31 AM, Marco Leise wrote:
> > "note that D removes probably the most important feature of C++ that
> > makes C++ so powerful: templates and replaces it with something even
> > weaker than Java generics"
> >
> > I had to read
On 1/9/2012 10:59 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
I suspect that part of the problem is that Wikipedia lists D as appearing in
1999. And, of course, since D2 didn't start until 2007, saying that D has been
around since 1999 easily gives the mistaken impression that we're doing a bad
job, since D _sti
On Monday, January 09, 2012 11:37:50 Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/9/2012 10:59 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > I suspect that part of the problem is that Wikipedia lists D as
> > appearing in 1999. And, of course, since D2 didn't start until 2007,
> > saying that D has been around since 1999 easily
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 14:37:50 -0500, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 1/9/2012 10:59 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
I suspect that part of the problem is that Wikipedia lists D as
appearing in
1999. And, of course, since D2 didn't start until 2007, saying that D
has been
around since 1999 easily gives
On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
Yes, but 2001 for D1.
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> easily gives the mistaken impression that we're doing a bad
> job
... but only for easy people.
In addition:
a:without indication of paid time there isn't a "job";
b:without specifying the number of full-time service providers, there
isn't a "we"
-manfred
On Monday, January 09, 2012 21:29:01 Manfred Nowak wrote:
> Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > easily gives the mistaken impression that we're doing a bad
> > job
>
> ... but only for easy people.
>
> In addition:
>
> a:without indication of paid time there isn't a "job";
> b:without specifying the num
On 9 January 2012 21:29, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> Please fix the wikipedia entry!
>>
>>
>> With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
>
>
> Yes, but 2001 for D1.
[citation needed]
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
> On 9 January 2012 21:29, Walter Bright wrote:
>> On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
>>>
>>>
>>> With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
>>
>>
>> Yes, but 2001 for D1.
>
> [citat
On Mon, 9 Jan 2012, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Monday, January 09, 2012 11:37:50 Walter Bright wrote:
> > On 1/9/2012 10:59 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > > I suspect that part of the problem is that Wikipedia lists D as
> > > appearing in 1999. And, of course, since D2 didn't start until 2007,
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> Really?
"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job, cited 01/10/2012
Your citation defines the religious figure.
> And since there is a group of us working on D, there is most
> definitely a we.
What is a "group", w
On Tuesday, January 10, 2012 01:55:23 Manfred Nowak wrote:
> Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> > Really?
>
> "A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job, cited 01/10/2012
> Your citation defines the religious figure.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/d
Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> It looks to me like you're just trying to be a troll.
Nice.
> how it's perceived by those outside of the D community.
It looks to me like they are all trolls.
-manfred
On Tuesday, 10 January 2012 at 00:04:31 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 9 January 2012 21:29, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
On Monday, 9 January 2012 at 19:46:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
On Monday, January 09, 2012 11:37:50 Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/9/2012 10:59 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> I suspect that part of the problem is that Wikipedia lists D
> as
> appearing in 1999. And, of course, since D2 didn't sta
Alexander Malakhov:
> Other languages have just 1 date. I think wikipedia's editors
> would resist if D will be different.
A solution is to have two Wikipedia pages, una for D1 and one for D.
Bye,
bearophile
On 01/10/2012 08:47 AM, Alexander Malakhov wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 January 2012 at 00:04:31 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Iain Buclaw wrote:
On 9 January 2012 21:29, Walter Bright
wrote:
On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
Wit
On Tuesday, 10 January 2012 at 18:58:41 UTC, Mike Wey wrote:
On 01/10/2012 08:47 AM, Alexander Malakhov wrote:
D1 changelog starts with 1.001, 2007-01-23
D 0.00 was released on 9 December 2001.
http://www.digitalmars.com/d/1.0/changelog1.html#new000
Oh, missed that links. Thanks!
On Tuesday, 10 January 2012 at 12:08:41 UTC, bearophile wrote:
Alexander Malakhov:
Other languages have just 1 date. I think wikipedia's editors
would resist if D will be different.
A solution is to have two Wikipedia pages, una for D1 and one
for D.
Bye,
bearophile
I believe that would
Alexander Malakhov Wrote:
> And even if that will happen, D1 page most likely will be deleted
> later due to little visits count
They are actually deleting pages due to low visit counts? This is just wrong.
On Thursday, 12 January 2012 at 06:17:43 UTC, a wrote:
Alexander Malakhov Wrote:
And even if that will happen, D1 page most likely will be
deleted later due to little visits count
They are actually deleting pages due to low visit counts? This
is just wrong.
Turns out I was wrong. I was thi
Le 08/01/2012 08:47, Mike Parker a écrit :
> On 1/8/2012 3:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 07, 2012 22:19:53 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the perceptions and
>>> misperceptions about D within the larger community.
>>>
>>> ht
On Monday, 9 January 2012 at 21:29:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
Yes, but 2001 for D1.
Walter, I suppose you will have to clearly state that somewhere
in D docu
On 1/13/2012 7:57 AM, Dejan Lekic wrote:
On Monday, 9 January 2012 at 21:29:27 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 1/9/2012 11:45 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
Please fix the wikipedia entry!
With what? Make it say 2003 for D1 and 2007 for D2?
Yes, but 2001 for D1.
Walter, I suppose you will have
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> On 1/8/2012 3:57 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 07, 2012 22:19:53 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Here's an interesting discussion that may reflect the perceptions and
>>> misperceptions about D within t
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