What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread Georg Wrede
There's been a lot of talk about Scala when various new aspects of D have been discussed. I stumbled upon a video where exactly those things are talked about. http://blog.jaoo.dk/2009/03/09/an-introduction-to-the-scala-programming-language-by-bill-venners/ "Bill Venners, co-author of the Scala

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Georg Wrede wrote: There's been a lot of talk about Scala when various new aspects of D have been discussed. I stumbled upon a video where exactly those things are talked about. http://blog.jaoo.dk/2009/03/09/an-introduction-to-the-scala-programming-language-by-bill-venners/ "Bill Venners,

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread Bill Baxter
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: > Georg Wrede wrote: >> >> There's been a lot of talk about Scala when various new aspects of D have >> been discussed. I stumbled upon a video where exactly those things are >> talked about. >> >> >> http://blog.jaoo.dk/2009/03/09/an-int

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Bill Baxter wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Also, is that a bug in the Java code at 12:17? I'm seeing a statement line: BigInt.ONE; that I think is just an object, so the statement has no effect. Right? If so, well, that's quite bad. I think the code on to

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread Nick Sabalausky
> Gosh, > he spends like *forever* on the if statement... at some point he asks > people whether they've seen the ?: operator... does JAOO stand for > Conference of Brain Damage Survivors? > Sounds like most of the CS classes I had in college.

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-01 Thread bearophile
Nick Sabalausky: >Sounds like most of the CS classes I had in college.< You have to form a little group with few other of the students most interested in those classes (or you can even act alone), and ask the teacher to change the style or way, explaining him/her to slow down or speed up topics.

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Georg Wrede
Bill Baxter wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Georg Wrede wrote: There's been a lot of talk about Scala when various new aspects of D have been discussed. I stumbled upon a video where exactly those things are talked about. http://blog.jaoo.dk/2009/03/09/an-i

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"bearophile" wrote in message news:gr1l57$vu...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky: >>Sounds like most of the CS classes I had in college.< > > You have to form a little group with few other of the students most > interested in those classes (or you can even act alone), and ask the > teacher

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. That wasn't my college experience at all (Caltech). I was a low-to-mid-range student there, and the profs were always ready to help

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Georg Wrede
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "bearophile" wrote in message news:gr1l57$vu...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky: Sounds like most of the CS classes I had in college.< You have to form a little group with few other of the students most interested in those classes (or you can even act alone), and ask

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > If there's one thing my > > school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in > > focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. > That wasn't my college experience at all (Caltech). I w

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"dsimcha" wrote in message news:gr31s9$2en...@digitalmars.com... > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article >> Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> > If there's one thing my >> > school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in >> > focusing on the low-to-mid-

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Walter Bright" wrote in message news:gr31gj$2du...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> They would be far better off saving their time and money by not even >> going, but they almost *have* to go anyway just because the rest of >> society (and HR drones in particular) are brainwashed

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Georg Wrede" wrote in message news:gr31tc$2ds...@digitalmars.com... > Nick Sabalausky wrote: >> "bearophile" wrote in message >> news:gr1l57$vu...@digitalmars.com... >>> Nick Sabalausky: Sounds like most of the CS classes I had in college.< >>> You have to form a little group with few oth

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Georg Wrede
dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. That wasn't my college experience at all (Caltech).

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
Georg Wrede wrote: dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. That wasn't my college experien

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Max Samukha
On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:32:20 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: >Georg Wrede wrote: >> dsimcha wrote: >>> == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: > If there's one thing my > school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only inte

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Sean Kelly
== Quote from dsimcha (dsim...@yahoo.com)'s article > == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article > > Nick Sabalausky wrote: > > > If there's one thing my > > > school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in > > > focusing on the low-to-mid-range stude

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Sean Kelly
== Quote from Andrei Alexandrescu (seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org)'s article > > We all know stories of lousy-student rise to genius. John Backus, Thomas > Alva Edison, Einstein... You know why? Because they're spectacular > stories. There have been plenty of geniuses who also happened to be good >

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Georg Wrede
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Georg Wrede wrote: dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. Tha

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread bearophile
Sean Kelly: > and the grades derived from a combination of homework and actual > problem-solving quizzes and exams.< In my university (biology, computer science) most grades come from: - How well you do practical tests and exercises done in laboratory (usually programming exercises in computer s

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread grauzone
In my university (biology, computer science) most grades come from: To add: - How much you pay your Professor At least that's what I heard about Italian universities.

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Georg Wrede" wrote in message news:gr3f91$92...@digitalmars.com... > > But I agree, higher education in the US is the top, no question. If that's the case it just goes to show how terrible "education" is worldwide.

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Georg Wrede
Nick Sabalausky wrote: "Georg Wrede" wrote in message news:gr3f91$92...@digitalmars.com... But I agree, higher education in the US is the top, no question. If that's the case it just goes to show how terrible "education" is worldwide. There may also be a few perspective illusions involved

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread bearophile
grauzone: > To add: > - How much you pay your Professor > At least that's what I heard about Italian universities. Yes, in the some universities of the south (and probably some in the center) this happens now and then. But it's much less common in natural sciences (because you have to know what

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
bearophile wrote: grauzone: To add: - How much you pay your Professor At least that's what I heard about Italian universities. Yes, in the some universities of the south (and probably some in the center) this happens now and then. But it's much less common in natural sciences (because you hav

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. That wasn't my college experience at all (Caltech).

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Exactly. I remember this one class I had (wasn't cs though) where I tended to do poorly on the essay portions of the exams. At one point I decided to answer one of the essay questions by quoting the prof's lecture nearly verbatim, and got a perfect score. Way to reward p

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Georg Wrede wrote: OTOH, to make things really happen, we need the other kind of guys. Those of us who want to understand. They're the ones who advance the state of the art, and without that, we'd still be traveling on steam trains. I just wish there were more schools and pedagogic knowledge (a

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Sean Kelly wrote: And some of the stories are just that: stories. Here's a quote from Michael Shara, a curator at the New York Museum of Natural History's exhibit dedicated to Einstein: "This myth that Einstein was a mediocre student is definitely not true," says Shara. "He was highly

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Sean Kelly wrote: I definitely would try to avoid universities where multiple-choice tests are the norm (oddly, I've heard that UC Berkeley falls into this category, and as a result it's also apparently a haven for cheaters). I went back to finish my undergrad degree recently and despite bein

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: College was quite transformative for me as well, just in different way: It make me an enormous cynic ;) I imagine there is the gamut of quality in universities and peoples' experiences. My going to Caltech was an accident of circumstance, one of the happy accidents in m

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-02 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Walter Bright" wrote in message news:gr452t$1h3...@digitalmars.com... > > 90% of the classes I took I selected because they interested me and I > thought they were important. I made sure I understood front to back every > single homework problem, and every exam problem I got wrong. I also paid

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Well, when it comes to college, what you're paying for are the classes and the degree (and, of course, books/room/board). So I'm certainly going to measure it's worth with that in mind. Having a dinner with Carl Segan, as great as he was, is hardly worth $100,000, unless

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread Don
Walter Bright wrote: Sean Kelly wrote: I definitely would try to avoid universities where multiple-choice tests are the norm (oddly, I've heard that UC Berkeley falls into this category, and as a result it's also apparently a haven for cheaters). I went back to finish my undergrad degree rece

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread Walter Bright
Don wrote: At the same time, I got 12% for one intermediate exam in Organic Chemistry, which I'd been very diligent in -- I was dreadful at rote memorisation. I hated chemistry and did correspondingly badly in it.

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread dsimcha
== Quote from Don (nos...@nospam.com)'s article > Walter Bright wrote: > > Sean Kelly wrote: > >> I definitely would try to avoid universities where multiple-choice > >> tests are the norm > >> (oddly, I've heard that UC Berkeley falls into this category, and as a > >> result it's also > >> apparen

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread Sean Kelly
Walter Bright wrote: Multiple choice exams were against the rules at Caltech (even though we did have a few huge lecture-based classes). I'll still hold forth, however, that you're going to get out of it what you are willing to put into it. If you're only going to target getting a degree, I

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-03 Thread Sean Kelly
Nick Sabalausky wrote: In all of the schools I've looked at, 90% of the classes were already chosen for you. The only choices you typically have are when you take a particular class (as in, during what semester, etc), a small handful of electives and a few "course A or course B and then eithe

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread Georg Wrede
Walter Bright wrote: Georg Wrede wrote: OTOH, to make things really happen, we need the other kind of guys. Those of us who want to understand. They're the ones who advance the state of the art, and without that, we'd still be traveling on steam trains. I just wish there were more schools and

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread Georg Wrede
Walter Bright wrote: dsimcha wrote: == Quote from Walter Bright (newshou...@digitalmars.com)'s article Nick Sabalausky wrote: If there's one thing my school experience taught me, it's that teachers are only interested in focusing on the low-to-mid-range students. That wasn't my college experi

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread Georg Wrede
Walter Bright wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: Well, when it comes to college, what you're paying for are the classes and the degree (and, of course, books/room/board). So I'm certainly going to measure it's worth with that in mind. Having a dinner with Carl Segan, as great as he was, is hardly w

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread Georg Wrede
Sean Kelly wrote: Walter Bright wrote: Multiple choice exams were against the rules at Caltech (even though we did have a few huge lecture-based classes). I'll still hold forth, however, that you're going to get out of it what you are willing to put into it. If you're only going to target

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread Sean Kelly
Walter Bright wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: Well, when it comes to college, what you're paying for are the classes and the degree (and, of course, books/room/board). So I'm certainly going to measure it's worth with that in mind. Having a dinner with Carl Segan, as great as he was, is hardly w

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-04 Thread superdan
Sean Kelly Wrote: > Walter Bright wrote: > > Nick Sabalausky wrote: > >> Well, when it comes to college, what you're paying for are the classes > >> and the degree (and, of course, books/room/board). So I'm certainly > >> going to measure it's worth with that in mind. Having a dinner with > >>

Re: What Scala?

2009-04-06 Thread Nick Sabalausky
"Georg Wrede" wrote in message news:gr7p2o$2ne...@digitalmars.com... > As a child I read SciAm (from 12 on), and read about all this way cool > stuff the folks at MIT and the other places do, and my goal was to go to > America to study. Then some crap happened at home. MIT is for rich kids.