Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-20 Thread workman via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/5/2021 10:36 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad) ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving i

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-20 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/19/2021 10:08 PM, max haughton wrote: Why is compiling zlib a goalpost for *Import*C? Dogfooding.

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 20 October 2021 at 05:08:51 UTC, max haughton wrote: On Wednesday, 20 October 2021 at 01:48:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/19/2021 6:35 AM, Timon Gehr wrote: [...] Timon and I famously disagree over the concept behind @live. Nevertheless, we do agree that ImportC is more im

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread max haughton via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 20 October 2021 at 01:48:24 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/19/2021 6:35 AM, Timon Gehr wrote: I think @live is a dead end and any further work on it is probably wasted unless the code is reusable for some other feature. Ownership is a property of values, not of functions operati

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/19/2021 6:35 AM, Timon Gehr wrote: I think @live is a dead end and any further work on it is probably wasted unless the code is reusable for some other feature. Ownership is a property of values, not of functions operating on those values. In particular, prioritizing ImportC over @live is

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Paul Backus via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 14:48:20 UTC, Tejas wrote: On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 13:53:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote: I this specific case, I agree completely. But there is a broader pattern in D of projects getting "stuck" because a specific individual is unable to continue work on them (e

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Tejas via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 13:53:04 UTC, Paul Backus wrote: On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 13:35:16 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: On 11.10.21 03:08, Paul Backus wrote: Perhaps worth asking why Walter, specifically, is required to work on @live in order for it to make progress. Is it just becaus

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Paul Backus via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 13:35:16 UTC, Timon Gehr wrote: On 11.10.21 03:08, Paul Backus wrote: Perhaps worth asking why Walter, specifically, is required to work on @live in order for it to make progress. Is it just because no one else is willing to step up to the plate, or is he the o

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-19 Thread Timon Gehr via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 11.10.21 03:08, Paul Backus wrote: On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 00:34:28 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on into perpetuity; DIPs'

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-18 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 17:55:05 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote: Why did dstep fail for them? I don't know; never tried it. Not qualified for an opinion there. I mean we both use stb_vorbis and many other stuff translated by ketmar by hand to (Alice)D ; not everyone is at his level to do it w

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-17 Thread max haughton via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 17:55:05 UTC, Adam D Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 17:09:40 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Doing it by hand, until now, has been the preffered way to translate C and C++ headers. Why did dstep fail for them? How would importC help the bindBC project?

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-17 Thread Adam D Ruppe via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 17:09:40 UTC, Guillaume Piolat wrote: Doing it by hand, until now, has been the preffered way to translate C and C++ headers. Why did dstep fail for them? How would importC help the bindBC project?

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-17 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 17 October 2021 at 15:54:46 UTC, Dennis wrote: On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 12:55:16 UTC, Adam Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have f

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-17 Thread Guillaume Piolat via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 12:55:16 UTC, Adam Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Why have the other approache

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-17 Thread Dennis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 12 October 2021 at 12:55:16 UTC, Adam Ruppe wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Why have the other approache

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-12 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/5/2021 10:36 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad) ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving i

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-12 Thread Adam Ruppe via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Why have the other approaches fallen short? How does importC address these problems?

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread surlymoor via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on into perpetuity; DIPs' implementations that haven't been finished. In retrospect, this is a rather crude message, especially f

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread max haughton via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 01:08:30 UTC, Paul Backus wrote: On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 00:34:28 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread Paul Backus via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 00:34:28 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on into perpetuity; DIPs' implementations that haven't been finis

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread surlymoor via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 11 October 2021 at 00:34:28 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on into perpetuity; DIPs' implementations that haven't been finis

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread Mike Parker via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:36:56 UTC, surlymoor wrote: Meanwhile @live is in the language, and it's half-baked. Then there's preview switches that will linger on into perpetuity; DIPs' implementations that haven't been finished. And Walter has prioritized this issue over those. No matt

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread surlymoor via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Unfortunately, ImportC is useless if it only half works. It has to work with existing C heade

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread russhy via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Sunday, 10 October 2021 at 23:11:56 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/5/2021 10:36 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad) ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving i

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/5/2021 10:36 AM, ag0aep6g wrote: it's also true that Walter prioritizes new features instead (ImportC is the latest fad) ImportC resolves a long standing serious issue where multiple other substantial attempts at solving it have fallen short over the years. Unfortunately, ImportC is use

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-10 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/5/2021 8:57 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 10/4/21 6:40 PM, Temtaime wrote: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22115 was created for no reason and fixed same day. Aside from the tasteless (and incorrect) attack here, creating an issue, even for a small change, puts something i

Re: Release Candidate [was: Re: Beta 2.098.0]

2021-10-08 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Thursday, 7 October 2021 at 23:18:39 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.098.0 release, ♥ to the 62 contributors. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.ht

Release Candidate [was: Re: Beta 2.098.0]

2021-10-07 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.098.0 release, ♥ to the 62 contributors. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.html Release candidate is live now ([pending dlang.org PR](https:

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 17:36:28 UTC, ag0aep6g wrote: On 05.10.21 11:28, Imperatorn wrote: On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: [...] This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mea

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tue, Oct 05, 2021 at 07:36:28PM +0200, ag0aep6g via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: [...] > > > On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: > > > > What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead > > > > of making D great just do nothing helpful. [...] > It's absolut

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread ag0aep6g via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 05.10.21 11:28, Imperatorn wrote: On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled fo

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-announce
On 10/4/21 6:40 PM, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22115 was created for no reason and fixed same day. Aside from the tasteless (and incorrect) attack here, c

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Tuesday, 5 October 2021 at 07:55:11 UTC, FeepingCreature wrote: On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-05 Thread FeepingCreature via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Monday, 4 October 2021 at 22:40:19 UTC, Temtaime wrote: What is really discourages me that persons like Walter instead of making D great just do nothing helpful. This is just uncalled for. I'm sure you can express what you mean without pointlessly and wrongly insulting the *reason we have

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-04 Thread Temtaime via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.098.0 release, ♥ to the 62 contributors. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.html This release is quite a bit delayed due to [OSX build woes](h

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-02 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Friday, 1 October 2021 at 11:13:28 UTC, kinke wrote: On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: [...] and some personal lack of time. Thanks for your time! - Tests with latest beta3 are looking good for the Symmetry code base, incl. significant RAM reductions whe

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-10-01 Thread kinke via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: [...] and some personal lack of time. Thanks for your time! - Tests with latest beta3 are looking good for the Symmetry code base, incl. significant RAM reductions when building huge static libs (saving ~3 GB in one case).

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-09-30 Thread Dennis via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.html The changelog is outdated, the entries in master should be moved to stable and then the changelog folder on the master branch can be purged. https://github.com/dlang/dmd/pull/13113 h

Re: Beta 2.098.0

2021-09-29 Thread Imperatorn via Digitalmars-d-announce
On Wednesday, 29 September 2021 at 20:53:53 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.098.0 release, ♥ to the 62 contributors. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.html This release is quite a bit delayed due to [OSX build woes](h

Beta 2.098.0

2021-09-29 Thread Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce
Glad to announce the first beta for the 2.098.0 release, ♥ to the 62 contributors. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.098.0.html This release is quite a bit delayed due to [OSX build woes](https://github.com/dlang/installer/pull/487) and some personal lack of