On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:34:56 +0100, Nick Sabalausky
seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:48:52 +0100
Regan Heath re...@netmail.co.nz wrote:
I use Notepad++ now and have used TextPad in the past. But, those
are just text editors with syntax highlighting (fairly
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:34:56 +0100, Nick Sabalausky
seewebsitetocontac...@semitwist.com wrote:
click an error to jump to it's line in the source.
Is there a hotkey for this? .. it's little things like having a
configurable hotkey (so I can make it F4 like in MSVC that make or break a
new
On 2013-06-17 10:39, Regan Heath wrote:
Oh, yes, the ability to capture the compiler output and do a bit of a
parse and jump to error is another top IDE feature IMO.
I have that in TextMate :)
--
/Jacob Carlborg
Jacob Carlborg, el 17 de June a las 12:42 me escribiste:
On 2013-06-17 10:39, Regan Heath wrote:
Oh, yes, the ability to capture the compiler output and do a bit of a
parse and jump to error is another top IDE feature IMO.
I have that in TextMate :)
Same in VIM.
--
Leandro Lucarella
On 2013-06-14 23:09, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
Yes, I know. BTW, how many people is using it (if any)? If some could
share the experience it would be appreciated.
I use it :). My experience so far is if you don't take advantage of
these buffers it can be a bit annoying. The reason is that
On 2013-06-13 22:12, Don wrote:
Must not be worse than Notepad. g
I don't have any requirements. I *only* care about stability at this point.
I'm not personally looking for an IDE. I'm more a command line guy.
Give Sublime a try.
D has fifty people contributing to the compiler, but only two
On 2013-06-13 22:42, Walter Bright wrote:
May I present MicroEmacs:
https://github.com/DigitalMars/med
Only Linux and Windows support?
--
/Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-06-13 21:39, Peter Alexander wrote:
The debugger is the #1 feature I'd miss from my day job if I didn't use
Visual Studio. Feature wise, I'm sure gdb has most if not all VS has,
but in VS everything is just there in front of you, easily usable (you
don't need to consult the manual, or
On 2013-06-13 22:18, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The differences between a graphical debugger and gdb are fairly interesting in
that all the basic stuff is just way easier and more pleasant in a graphical
debugger, but gdb has all kinds of advanced stuff that tends to blow graphical
debuggers out
On 2013-06-14 07:48, Johannes Pfau wrote:
Can the visual studio debugger show the contents of registers? I found
this quite useful when debugging unit test failures related to floating
point code in gdc. info float shows the contents of the floating point
stack, status register and control
On 2013-06-13 16:44, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
I've always use VIM without any problems. Is not what you typically call
an IDE though. I think now some of our guys are using Geany moderately
successfully, for sure much better than Ecplise and Mono plugins. IIRC,
the main problem with those huge
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 22:30:25 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 20:19:06 UTC, Jonathan M Davis
wrote:
The differences between a graphical debugger and gdb are
fairly interesting in
that all the basic stuff is just way easier and more pleasant
in a graphical
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 22:30:25 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
What can gdb do in particular that Visual Studio can't?
Not trying to troll, I'm genuinely curious. I googled for
advanced gdb tricks to try and find some of the more advanced
stuff, but it was all simple things that Visual
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 06:49:08 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-06-13 16:44, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
I've always use VIM without any problems. Is not what you
typically call
an IDE though. I think now some of our guys are using Geany
moderately
successfully, for sure much better than
Have finally watched it. Great talk and good jokes! :)
One topic I'd like to hear more about is memory management
techniques. It was told that only very small amount of garbage is
generated and managed by GC, most code avoids heap allocations at
all. Is this somehow enforced (tooling, code
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 05:48:17 UTC, Johannes Pfau wrote:
Am Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:30:24 +0200
schrieb Peter Alexander peter.alexander...@gmail.com:
What can gdb do in particular that Visual Studio can't?
Can the visual studio debugger show the contents of registers?
Yes,
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 07:40:55 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
Does Visual Studio debugger have some sort of scripts/macros?
When I was in a small kernel dev related team, we had a lot of
own utility macros for gdb to help debug kernel core dumps,
especially for messy cases like stack corruption.
On 6/13/2013 11:40 PM, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-06-13 22:42, Walter Bright wrote:
May I present MicroEmacs:
https://github.com/DigitalMars/med
Only Linux and Windows support?
Others are trivially added if anyone cares.
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 07:40:42 UTC, Don wrote:
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 06:49:08 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
I agree. But he said at the end of the talk that he didn't
want codecompletion refactoring or anything like that. Now he
said he just wants something better than Notepad that is
On Friday, June 14, 2013 10:05:27 Peter Alexander wrote:
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 07:40:42 UTC, Don wrote:
On Friday, 14 June 2013 at 06:49:08 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
I agree. But he said at the end of the talk that he didn't
want codecompletion refactoring or anything like that. Now
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:49:09 +0100, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
On 6/13/2013 3:48 AM, Regan Heath wrote:
What are the basic features you would require of a development
environment,
People tell me that intellisense is the #1 feature.
I could go either way with
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:39:17 +0100, Peter Alexander
peter.alexander...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/13/2013 3:48 AM, Regan Heath wrote:
What are the basic features you would require of a development
environment,
People tell me that
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:12:31 +0100, Don turnyourkidsintoc...@nospam.com
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 16:35:08 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:32:03 +0100, Colin Grogan
grogan.co...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 10:48:52 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On
Dicebot, el 14 de June a las 09:46 me escribiste:
Have finally watched it. Great talk and good jokes! :)
One topic I'd like to hear more about is memory management
techniques. It was told that only very small amount of garbage is
generated and managed by GC, most code avoids heap allocations
On 2013-06-14 15:37, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
I think, same as Manu said, if/when we were to move to D2 we'll have to
completely avoid
phobos unless a similar approach is taken in terms of memory allocation.
Tango is available for D2 as well :)
--
/Jacob Carlborg
Jacob Carlborg, el 14 de June a las 16:18 me escribiste:
On 2013-06-14 15:37, Leandro Lucarella wrote:
I think, same as Manu said, if/when we were to move to D2 we'll have to
completely avoid
phobos unless a similar approach is taken in terms of memory allocation.
Tango is available for
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:48:52 +0100
Regan Heath re...@netmail.co.nz wrote:
I use Notepad++ now and have used TextPad in the past. But, those
are just text editors with syntax highlighting (fairly flexibly and
simply customisable highlighting BTW).
What are the basic features you would
Great talk, good to see someone talking about their real-world
experience with D and Don kept it entertaining.
A quibble though: the title is horrible, as the talk has very
little to do with metaprogramming, and those who aren't
interested in the current title will just skip the talk.
A
On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
Facebook:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 07:31:04 UTC, Don wrote:
Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now.
The point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS
if the IDE crashes. It's not just a bug. It's an absolute
showstopper, and I'm begging the community to do
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:16:56 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
Visual Studio constantly crashes for me at work, and I can
imagine MonoDevelop and Eclipse being similar, but simpler
editors like Sublime Text, TextMate, vim, emacs etc. shouldn't
crash. I've been using Sublime Text for years
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:25:19 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:16:56 UTC, Peter Alexander
wrote:
Visual Studio constantly crashes for me at work, and I can
imagine MonoDevelop and Eclipse being similar, but simpler
editors like Sublime Text, TextMate, vim, emacs etc.
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long
pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes.
Both of them even have modules of death where just viewing
the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 08:25:19 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
And I just can't imagine D syntax highlighting crashing vim or
emacs :)
The syntax highlighting has actually bogged down vim for me in
the past. I had a file with a large array in it (hundreds of
lines), and scrolling over those lines
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don turnyourkidsintoc...@nospam.com
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
On 2013-06-13 09:31, Don wrote:
Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point
is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes.
It's not just a bug. It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm begging the
community to do something about it.
Fix the
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 07:31:04 UTC, Don wrote:
Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now.
The point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS
if the IDE crashes. It's not just a bug. It's an absolute
showstopper, and I'm begging the community to do
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 12:33:03 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu
wrote:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long
pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes.
Both of them even have modules of death where just viewing
the file will cause a crash. If you're unlucky enough to get
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 12:39:49 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long
pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes.
Both of them even have modules of death where just viewing
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 13:22:23 UTC, Don wrote:
Guys, this wasn't even part of the talk. The point I made in
the talk is: at the moment, IDE bugs are much, much worse than
compiler bugs.
Those IDEs are in an alpha state at best. They are not in a
state where you can just submit bug
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:20:30 -0400, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
But you can continue to live in an underwater-mortgage house if you
can pay for it.
Yes, but we are talking about the financial difference between owning vs
renting.
Right,
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 10:48:52 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don
turnyourkidsintoc...@nospam.com wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg
wrote:
On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
Jacob Carlborg, el 13 de June a las 13:07 me escribiste:
On 2013-06-13 09:31, Don wrote:
Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The point
is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the IDE crashes.
It's not just a bug. It's an absolute showstopper, and I'm
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:32:03 +0100, Colin Grogan grogan.co...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 10:48:52 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don
turnyourkidsintoc...@nospam.com wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
On
On 6/13/2013 2:19 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while typing
(eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even have modules of
death where just viewing the file will
On 6/13/2013 6:58 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Home ownership is much simpler than playing with stocks,
I have to strongly disagree about that. Buying/selling a stock is a mouse click.
Tax accounting is a one liner. Buying/selling a house is a major amount of work.
Heck, even once you
On 06/13/2013 06:22 AM, Don wrote:
Guys, this wasn't even part of the talk. The point I made in the talk
is:
Judging from most of the posts on this thread, your talk was about solar
panels. :p
Ali
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 16:53:38 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Back in the bad old DOS days, there were many code editors that
worked instantly. No perceptible delays at all. I find it
ironic that today, with machines 1000 times faster, some
vendors consider it acceptable to have 15 second
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:00:26 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
35 years later and we now have the device he described, but the
absurdity isn't imaginary.
The ipad amazes me. Not only is it brutally slow, but it
crashes... a lot (the ipad 1 anyway, i've never seen the newer
ones). Yet
On Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:36:11 Ali Çehreli wrote:
On 06/13/2013 06:22 AM, Don wrote:
Guys, this wasn't even part of the talk. The point I made in the talk
is:
Judging from most of the posts on this thread, your talk was about solar
panels. :p
LOL. Yeah. That and the housing market.
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:33:26 -0400, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
On 6/13/2013 6:58 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Home ownership is much simpler than playing with stocks,
I have to strongly disagree about that. Buying/selling a stock is a
mouse click. Tax accounting
On 6/13/2013 11:00 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
From a cold boot, the terminal I use, iTerm, can take upwards of 10 seconds to
start up before I can start entering commands.
The perennial problem with JITs.
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:27:11 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The actual talk has had very little discussion here. :(
In my defense, Andrei did say to try to drive discussion on the
social channels, so I posted my more on-topic comments to Reddit.
On 6/13/2013 2:22 AM, Peter Alexander wrote:
The syntax highlighting has actually bogged down vim for me in the past. I had a
file with a large array in it (hundreds of lines), and scrolling over those
lines caused vim to stutter at about 1fps.
Back in the Bad Old DOS days, I had trouble with
On 6/13/2013 3:48 AM, Regan Heath wrote:
What are the basic features you would require of a development environment,
People tell me that intellisense is the #1 feature.
On 6/13/2013 11:25 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I meant much simpler to predict/easier to come out ahead. Sheesh, so much
literalism here :)
I'm going to disagree with that one, too!
Consider an SP 500 index stock, like SPY. It's:
1. trivial to buy and sell - a couple clicks
2. liquid -
On Thursday, June 13, 2013 20:29:34 Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:27:11 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The actual talk has had very little discussion here. :(
In my defense, Andrei did say to try to drive discussion on the
social channels, so I posted my more on-topic
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/13/2013 3:48 AM, Regan Heath wrote:
What are the basic features you would require of a development
environment,
People tell me that intellisense is the #1 feature.
The debugger is the #1 feature I'd miss from my day job if
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:10:06 -0400, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
On 6/13/2013 11:25 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I meant much simpler to predict/easier to come out ahead. Sheesh, so
much
literalism here :)
I'm going to disagree with that one, too!
Consider an SP
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 16:35:08 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:32:03 +0100, Colin Grogan
grogan.co...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 10:48:52 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don
turnyourkidsintoc...@nospam.com wrote:
On
On Thursday, June 13, 2013 21:39:17 Peter Alexander wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 18:49:14 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/13/2013 3:48 AM, Regan Heath wrote:
What are the basic features you would require of a development
environment,
People tell me that intellisense is the #1
On 6/13/2013 1:12 PM, Don wrote:
Must not be worse than Notepad. g
May I present MicroEmacs:
https://github.com/DigitalMars/med
On 13/06/13 19:19, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long pauses while
typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes. Both of them even
have modules of death where just viewing the file will cause
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:19:33 UTC, Peter Alexander wrote:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 09:06:00 UTC, Don wrote:
Mono-D and Eclipse DDT both have major problems with long
pauses while typing (eg 15 seconds unresponsive) and crashes.
Both of them even have modules of death where just
Am Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:30:24 +0200
schrieb Peter Alexander peter.alexander...@gmail.com:
On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 20:19:06 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
The differences between a graphical debugger and gdb are fairly
interesting in
that all the basic stuff is just way easier and more
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:02:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you
can wait 20 years for
On 6/11/13 11:40 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
I just want to point out that owning a home
is far from the sure path to wealth it is too often presented as. As
always, caveat emptor.
I'd say it's historically about as risky as owning stocks. The main
difference is that the house has a utility
On 06/11/2013 09:33 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
On 6/12/2013 1:04 AM, Don wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:02:29 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Note that none of the advertisements,
brochures, etc., mention expected life of the PVs.
That's not correct. Almost all manufacturers provide a 20 or 30 year warranty.
Warranty periods have been
On 06/11/2013 08:59 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:36:11 -0400, Jesse Phillips
jesse.k.phillip...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:55:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
...and if you sell it, unless you own multiple houses, you're now
homeless. And housing
On 6/12/2013 5:58 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 6/11/13 11:40 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
I just want to point out that owning a home
is far from the sure path to wealth it is too often presented as. As
always, caveat emptor.
I'd say it's historically about as risky as owning stocks. The
On 06/11/2013 02:33 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
Facebook:
hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now...
I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I
have another two or the grand to spend.
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can
wait 20 years for it.
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now...
I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I
have another two or the grand to spend.
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 15:28:09 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
hah, I have a PV solar module sitting in my house right now...
I'll be installing it (and the rest of my setup) as soon as I
have another two or the grand to spend.
It
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 16:19:20 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
Combine that with good government subsidies and a deal to sell
the power back to the grid and it's more like 10 years, max
Aye, that's what I was hoping to get (New York State would have
given like 50% money back) but alas I
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for
it.
Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!
Am 11.06.2013 14:33, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu:
Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
Twitter: https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!
Here's the beauty of it though: the manufacturer offers a 25 year
warranty! I've heard stories of PV panels from the 70's still
working too. I betcha the lifetime depends on
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin
john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20
years for
it.
Yeah, but
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:21:31 -0400, John Colvin
john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
It is great stuff, solar power
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin
john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in certain
circumstances it's a good deal for an individual.
It's not a good deal for the taxpayers who have to subsidize it to make it
a
On 6/11/2013 12:21 PM, John Colvin wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 18:47:35 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 8:28 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
It is great stuff, solar power is almost free money if you can wait 20 years for
it.
Yeah, but you'll have to replace it before 20 years!
On 6/11/13, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance
you
can get replacement parts for 20 years.
I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the
older a product, the harder (i.e. more
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if*
you can wait 20 years
A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay
for itself compared to renting for a similar timeframe either,
but I see it
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:18:09 -0400, Adam D. Ruppe
destructiona...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can
wait 20 years
A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house
On 6/11/2013 1:11 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On 6/11/13, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
Circuit boards, inverters, etc., also fail, and you'd need some assurance
you
can get replacement parts for 20 years.
I bet most companies don't even get to live 20 years. And usually the
Steven Schveighoffer:
I have no doubt that solar technology will continue to
innovate, but the worst thing we can do right now is subsidize
it. When it's ready (and it will be), it will succeed on its
own merits.
The situation is far more complex than that.
Bye,
bearophile
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new
ones! But I think that's an anomaly.
I guess it totally depends on where you live. :)
On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can wait 20
years
A 20 year payback time is no big deal to me, the house won't pay for itself
compared to renting
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 16:51:53 -0400, Walter Bright
newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote:
On 6/11/2013 1:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:38:13 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
I have to laugh at this. Solar is *almost* free money *if* you can
wait 20
years
A 20
On 6/11/2013 1:47 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:47:04 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Actually, parts for old cars are a lot cheaper than for new ones! But I think
that's an anomaly.
I guess it totally depends on where you live. :)
In the US.
For example, my daily
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money
isn't reliably one of them.
I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage
interest rates and fitting in principle prepayments into my
budget tipped me
On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Define financially better off :)
You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition?
And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so many variables to
consider.
I'd like to pop that default conception that buying is
On 6/11/2013 2:20 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 20:51:58 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
Owning a home has lots of nice advantages, but saving money isn't reliably one
of them.
I agreed with you until last year, but the very low mortgage interest rates and
fitting in
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 19:54:34 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:44:35 -0400, John Colvin
john.loughran.col...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not ready to roll out as the energy of the future, but in
certain circumstances it's a good deal for an individual.
It's not a
On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 21:29:49 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
On 6/11/2013 2:19 PM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote:
Define financially better off :)
You have mo' moolah. Is their any other definition?
And this is not even a fair conversation, because there are so
many variables to
consider.
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