[digitalradio] Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Dave Bernstein
You may never convince most hams to personally use Winlink, but I believe there's a way for you to convince most hams that Winlink will be a good citizen on the amateur bands. I suggest that you compose a "white paper" that a. briefly summarizes the goals, benefits, and technical history of

RE: [digitalradio] Winlink Numbers

2005-04-09 Thread Rick Williams
Howard's numbers seem reasonable to me. And because of the likely adoption of the ARESCOM restructuring proposal, we can expect that the numbers will be increasing on Winlink 2000 and probably decreasing on some other networks.   From recent comments made by ARES members who have set up t

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Doesn't Understand

2005-04-09 Thread Paul L Schmidt
Actually, in some respects, it is the FCC who understands, and the amateur community that doesn't. It costs money to regulate the airwaves, and there are a lot of interests out there willing to provide whatever funds are needed in order to get "their piece" of spectrum. We amateurs have chunks a

[digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Dave, The problem is not that we mind any opposition to what we are doing. It gives us an opportunity to tell our story. The problem is not the protocol we use, be it Amtor, Clover, Pactor, SCAMP or what comes next, and next after that, nor is it the fact that we stopped using fully, machin

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Mike/k1eg
Steve I will pick a bone with you on this statement. Because you are using a proprietary modem that costs over $1000.00 you are slowing the spread of emergency communications in ARES. Contrary to popular belief not all hams are millionaires who can just go out and plop down a couple of thousand

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Doesn't Understand

2005-04-09 Thread Joe Ivey
Exactly what I said, they only understand $ Joe - Original Message - From: "Paul L Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] FCC Doesn't Understand > > Actually, in some respects, it is the FCC who understands, > and the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Mike:   I am directly involved in Winlink, ARES EMCOMM and SCAMP.  I am also part of the new ARES National Management Team for Digital Networks.  I DO NOT OWN A PACTOR 3 MODEM.. nor do I intend to buy one.  I agree with you that $1,000 for a dedicated modem just for EMCOMM may be a financi

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Doesn't Understand

2005-04-09 Thread Rud Merriam
If you are looking for an argument about hams being self-regulating you are not going to get one. The FCC should tell hams, "You own the bands. Use them as you want. The FCC is only going to step in when you hams report (1) an illegal presence on the bands, or (2) egregious violations of good prac

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Kurt
Howard, I have been paying attention to the different messages on Winlink, some I agree with some I don't, but I did see you mention SCAMP, is this downloadable software?   73 Kurt WA8VBX   The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links

[digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Dave Bernstein
I am dissapointed to see you revert to "the root cause of the QRM is PSK operators opening their receivers to 3 kHz". This is factually incorrect, as we have discussed here many times. The root cause is semi-automatic stations without busy detectors, such as Winlink PMBOs running Pactor. Whe

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink Numbers

2005-04-09 Thread Ken Wilhelmi
Steve- I notice the average message size is 1635 characters. How many kb is that? I thought I saw someting about testing with 80KB attachments. Ken - N7QQU --- "Steve Waterman, k4cjx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All, > > I would like to verify that the numbers quoted here > are correct.

[digitalradio] SCAMP

2005-04-09 Thread Joseph Ivey
Where can the SCAMP software be downloaded? This has been ask several times and noe one seems to be willing to answer. Everything that I have found on the web points to the RDFT for HDSSTV. If SCAMP is the same as HDSSTV then you will have to have a very fast computer to operate (1.2 gig or b

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Jose Amador
I had opted not to participate in this thread so far, but it seems once again that the hidden station case is not seen, and it is very common on HF, even DXers know about it to their frustration Anyone that does not hear any other station may trigger a Winlink PMBO response. This may respond

[digitalradio] Re: SCAMP

2005-04-09 Thread Jerry
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Ivey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where can the SCAMP software be downloaded? Joe might check: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCAMPprotocol/ HTH, Jerry K0HZI The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Grou

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Rick Williams
Just so folks understand that the Winlink 2000 group very much minds ... ANY ... comments that suggest anything could possibly be wrong with their system. Here is only a sample of some of the comments made towards me and others in recent months. Remember, I am a beta tester for SCAMP, and have cle

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Mike/k1eg
Dr. White I am glad to see that were getting away from a proprietary modem and going to Scamp.  I would like to get in the beta for that if you have a link to it.  The problem in our area is that the local government doesn't have a use for Amateur Radio and doesn't really seem to want them

[digitalradio] Re: Winlink Numbers

2005-04-09 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
The upper limit is 100,000 bytes. However, very few people use that limit. An 80Kbyte DOC, RTF, DOT file compresses 82 percent. On P3 or using 9600 baud Packet, that is not a stretch. On Packet the entire connect, transfer and disconnect takes about 50 seconds. What I posed was the monthly AV

[digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Rick, This is from the WL2KEmComm reflector where over 700 people are talking. These statements are really taken out of context and come from a myriad of people, but if the rest of the messages are read, they are mostly (not all) responding to your comments about why not to deploy or recomme

[digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Steve Waterman, k4cjx
Dave, You did make two statements that I find in conflict: >Requiring busy detectors for attended operation makes no sense, >Steve. As Rick KV9U pointed out, any SSB, RTTY, CW, or PSK operator > who knowingly calls over existing QSOs would simply disable the >busy detector. >I did not sugg

[digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Dave Bernstein
There is no conflict between those statements, and no bias: A Winlink PMBO running Pactor is going to occasionally QRM ongoing QSOs whether or not the PBMO operator is a "good guy". The PMBO is running unattended, and lacks the busy detector needed to avoid QRM generation. Transitioning the P

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Advice to the Winlink team

2005-04-09 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
1.SCAMP Beta Files can be found at ftp://www.winlink.org/help/scamp/   2.    You may also want to join [EMAIL PROTECTED]   3.    Locally in San Diego we have a hardened EOC at County and are working with them to put in a PMBO there.   Winlink is the alternative path to the Internet whe