Re: [digitalradio] Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Bill Aycock
Again, Bonnie is using loaded words to bolster an argument that really needs help to be heard. Here, she repeats the word Random many times and uses loaded words and phrases, like Hobby pursuit, Playful pastime, Curiosity, to put-down the things that don't agree with her view. And, again she

Re: [digitalradio] Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Bill, I just want to make one observation regarding the Amateur Radio Service (ARS) from a strictly U.S. Amateur perspective as you to are U.S. based. That observation is with respect to FCC Part 97.1 below, in the order of priority listed, I pretty much think it sums it all up pretty

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread KV9U
Hi Steve, I do have an 80 amp hour AGM battery under my operating position that is kept trickle charged. While this is not that common, there are some hams who have at least rudimentary backup power capability. In the last year or so, there was a poll to see how many ARES/RACES HF stations in

[digitalradio] ALE use in Disaster Relief Comms, Katrina

2006-08-27 Thread expeditionradio
Rick KV9U wrote: If ALE played a huge part in Katrina, it was one of the best kept secrets. Hi Rick, There was substantial use of ALE during the Katrina disaster. I monitored rather intense ALE comms by Coast Guard rescue helicopters and vessels, which were using ALE extensively. There was

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
GM Rick, At 11:07 AM 8/27/2006, you wrote: Hi Steve, I do have an 80 amp hour AGM battery under my operating position that is kept trickle charged. While this is not that common, there are some hams who have at least rudimentary backup power capability. In the last year or so, there was a poll

Re: [digitalradio] Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Bill Aycock
Steve- Thanks for another copy of PART 97.1. Forgive me if I don't print it and add it to the other copies I already have. My problem is that I object to stopping at the end of Part 97.1(a). I agree that it is given elevated status by virtue of position (ie, being first) but that does not

re: KATRINA and ALE - Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, I wanted to make this a separate message for some reading regarding ALE and Katrina, I do not know all the details of ALE use by all the agencies involved, many just take it for granted actually, below is an item to read related to the subject of ALE and Katrina that I have made

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have no idea how much ALE will take root in the future via Amateur Radio period, I would love to see at least one station Sounding 24/7 on each Amateur Band (excluding 60m) from 160-6m

[digitalradio] Re: Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
There is no implied priority in the enumeration of principles in §97.1, Steve; had a priority been intended, it would have been made explicit. In today's world, (e) is arguably the most important. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek [EMAIL

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
I think that it would be great if PC-ALE (and Olivia or PSK programs) would log RX QSOs in something like WOTA automatically. On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 8:50 pm, Dave Bernstein wrote: Another approach is the Who's on the Air? database, which is under development. See http://www.wotadb.org/ Need a

[digitalradio] Re: Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
No priority is stated, thus all of the principles set forth in §97.1 are equally important. In particular, no one can claim that one activity is more important than another solely because its applicable principle has a lower ordinal. This is not a matter of interpretation. Regulations are

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Dave, But did you not just state In today's world, (e) is arguably the most important To me your statement read that you placed 97.1(e) in the priority. My purpose of the posting on Part 97.1 was to make a point that the rules are very much interpreted by all that read them, to include

Re: [digitalradio] ALE use in Disaster Relief Comms, Katrina

2006-08-27 Thread KV9U
Its mostly the ham radio operator's use of ALE that I would like to know more about. With military, I expect it since the main purpose of ALE is to make things easier for the untrained radio operators. Actually, it might be more accurate to say the users since the intent is to make something

[digitalradio] Re: Is Ham Radio Only for Random Communications?

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
I said In today's world, (e) is arguably the most important. The rationale for this prioritiation is that a typical month sees more people killed, injured, or displaced by conflict than by natural disaster. This is a personal view that shapes my time allocation. I did not derive it from its

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread John Champa
Yes, yes, beta looked better, but had no flexibility in recording. Marketing may have been a factor, but VHS was clearly the favorite. Darwin got it right. The superior will survive in the end...(HI) From: Bill Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Too much fighting

2006-08-27 Thread John Champa
Yes, that is unfortunate on both counts... your final, and the fact that sometimes the two topics can't really be separated, unless one is willing to turn a blind eye to the entire scope of the issue. From: radionorway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To:

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Can You Call Another Ham On The Air? Right Now?

2006-08-27 Thread John Champa
What's all this RANDOM talk? I have been a Ham for 50 years, and most of my contacts have been and still are SCHEDULES (nets, skeds, etc.)! I haven't called CQ in years! HI Vy 73, John - K8OCL From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To:

Re: [digitalradio] Can You Call Another Ham On The Air? Right Now?

2006-08-27 Thread David Ackrill
Please excuse top post - Still resetting options. Well, for a start, you are assuming that the other person is in and listening. ALE wont help in that case. Just like calling someone on their mobile phone and they have it switched off, or don't answer. Plus, who's going to keep and

RE: [digitalradio] The digital throughput challenge on HF

2006-08-27 Thread John Becker
You should try DIGITAL VOICE once. There is 1000% chance that your QSO will be QRM'ed At 04:43 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote: The problem is QRM. Consisting of PACTOR, MFSK, OLIVIA, PSK31, and on 30 meters also SSB signals coming on frequency during your qso. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect

Re: [digitalradio] New to Digital HF -- PACTOR setup and hardware maybe needed???

2006-08-27 Thread John Becker
Pactor and Amtor use ARQ mode. Because of this timing a computer WILL NOT keep up with the TNC equipped station. I did run some test about 3 years ago and the computer only station on a AMTOR / PACTOR link could only do about 43% of what the TNC equipped station did. At 05:35 PM 8/26/2006, you

[digitalradio] Re: Can You Call Another Ham On The Air? Right Now?

2006-08-27 Thread expeditionradio
Dave G0DJA David It's a bit of a silly arguement to say we should be able to call up someone who we probably have never spoken to before and have not got any idea whether they use the same bands and modes as we do... Hi Dave, I believe it is not silly at all to call specific hams we

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Can You Call Another Ham On The Air? Right Now?

2006-08-27 Thread John Champa
Bonnie, You raise some good questions! D-Star works that way now, in many respects. We just don't have anything like D-Star on HF...yet. 73, John - K8OCL From: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio]

[digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-08-27 Thread John Bradley
It is truly amazing to me that the same hams who have torn up this group time after time, objecting long and vigorously against automatic Pactor stations , are promoting the concept of ALE sounding on HF 24/7 Talk about being hypocritical !!! If we have 1000 Ale stations sounding 24/7, how

Re: [digitalradio] New to Digital HF -- PACTOR setup and hardware maybe needed???

2006-08-27 Thread kd4e
John Becker wrote: Pactor and Amtor use ARQ mode. Because of this timing a computer WILL NOT keep up with the TNC equipped station. I did run some test about 3 years ago and the computer only station on a AMTOR / PACTOR link could only do about 43% of what the TNC equipped station did.

Re: [digitalradio] New to Digital HF -- PACTOR setup and hardware maybe needed???

2006-08-27 Thread John Becker
It was on a linux system But that does not matter. The problem is EVERY time the computer thinks what do I need to do now - the timing is lost and so is the link. At 09:53 AM 8/27/2006, you wrote: Have you tried it with an up-scale sound card on a computer equipped with both a fast processor

Re: [digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-08-27 Thread kd4e
Someone somewhere will *have* to sound* else no one anywhere will make a contact! :-) That said, in small numbers the ALE sounding-QRM is unlikely to be unbearable. Were the usage numbers to increase then the sounding-QRM could definitely become more than an occasional nuisance. Since ALE is

[digitalradio] Re: ALE QRM is minimal

2006-08-27 Thread expeditionradio
John VE5MU wrote: If we have 1000 Ale stations sounding 24/7, how much QRM will this create? Hi John, It would be far less QRM than the average RTTY contest, such as we had this weekend that took over a large chunk of the ham bands with soundings. In fact, it is unlikely that you would

Re: [digitalradio] New to Digital HF -- PACTOR setup and hardware maybe needed???

2006-08-27 Thread chasm
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 22:02:33 -0500, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was on a linux system But that does not matter. The problem is EVERY time the computer thinks what do I need to do now - the timing is lost and so is the link. ??? now, I am not a geek for computers, but my Perl mobo has

[digitalradio] Re: Can You Call Another Ham On The Air? Right Now?

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
If as you say, ham radio operators have not been thinking outside the box, and are largely content with the status quo, having never known anything better, then how do you explain - the blizzard of new digital modes developed over the past 5 years - the rapid adoption of panoramic reception