Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-03-03 Thread Eric Chadbourne
I’m working on a little script in PHP to do a recursive hash on some web directories I want to monitor. Then I thought, since I still feel a little uncomfortable on OS X, maybe it would be useful here to watch things change and try learn how things work. I open up terminal and to my delight

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne The GitHub for OS X app is probably the most user friendly way to use git I’ve seen yet. The problem with the github app is the fact that it only works for github. I would recommend SourceTree

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-23 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/23/2015 6:58 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne The GitHub for OS X app is probably the most user friendly way to use git I’ve seen yet. The problem with the github app is the fact that it only

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-23 Thread Eric Chadbourne
On Feb 23, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) b...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne The GitHub for OS X app is probably the most user friendly way to use git I’ve seen yet. The problem with

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-22 Thread Dr. Anthony Gabrielson
I put Ubuntu on my Air after this post began. Ubuntu wasn’t bad on the Air, but a lot of custom configuration was required; custom configuration not needed with OS X. Anyway, I ended up putting OS X back on it after a few days. Anthony On Feb 22, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Eric Chadbourne

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-14 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/2015 4:16 PM, Martin Owens wrote: No, that's what the general public does. Apple is anti-foss, not just neutral to FOSS when you tot up their track record. https://www.apple.com/opensource/

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-14 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 02/11/2015 10:49 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 2/11/2015 10:27 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson wrote: a MB Air - the battery life is similar between OS X and Linux, which is really impressive. Not really. About half of that is not shipping a Flash player with Safari. Apple measured an average

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-14 Thread Eric Chadbourne
OS X gets the work done with minimum fuss and management/updating overhead.” Compared to what? Certainly not gnu/linux or BSD. Many examples have already been sited such as package management. The above sounds like something out a marketing pamphlet. — Eric Chadbourne

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-13 Thread Maxim Timchenko
Hi Eric, Why would somebody want to use [OS X]? OS X gets the work done with minimum fuss and management/updating overhead. My machine has sailed smoothly through several OS upgrades, regular updates are painless, the UI is stable even if the skin is adjusted from time to time, and

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-13 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/13/2015 2:46 PM, Maxim Timchenko wrote: My machine has sailed smoothly through several OS upgrades, regular updates are painless, If you use Adobe then you're in for a world of problems like these: https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/global/known-issues-mac-os-10.html There is the

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Dan Ritter
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:58:19PM -0500, Eric Chadbourne wrote: Are you the John Hall who brought Linus to the states back in the day? If yes, you are fascinating and if we ever bump into each other I would love to buy you a beer and listen to stories. You don’t have to hack around

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Are you the John Hall who brought Linus to the states back in the day? If yes, you are fascinating and if we ever bump into each other I would love to buy you a beer and listen to stories. You don’t have to hack around anymore to get netflix working on gnu/linux. At least it worked for me a

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne Hi Ed, I can understand your point on using OS X as the host OS but that is more of a limitation of OS X and not the other operating systems. Agreed. But that's a philosophical point, which

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/12/2015 1:40 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (blu) wrote: I can bitch and gripe all I want about Apple's policies and how their products are designed to benefit *them* with consumer lock-in, etc etc blah blah. Nobody's listening. Don't be so hard on yourself: there are people listening, but those

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne Anybody here like OS X? Why? I’m not trolling. I’m curious. Why would somebody want to use this terrible piece of proprietary poop? I like OSX because Running OSX as the host OS is literally

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (blu)
From: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Eric Chadbourne It just bugs me that something simple like, I need an IRC client that doesn’t suck Yeah, the best solution is a mac with windows linux VM's running in it. Every platform has some stuff that it

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Martin Owens
On 12 February 2015 at 14:46, Bill Horne b...@horne.net wrote: selling more Apple products, not making the FOSS movement stronger. No, that's what the general public does. Apple is anti-foss, not just neutral to FOSS when you tot up their track record. Martin,

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/12/2015 4:16 PM, Martin Owens wrote: No, that's what the general public does. Apple is anti-foss, not just neutral to FOSS when you tot up their track record. https://www.apple.com/opensource/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/ The first link is a list of all of the FOSS projects that

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Daniel Barrett
Our network has iMacs, Macbook Airs, Mac Minis, and Ubuntu systems. I like them all of them for different reasons. But in my experience, the Macs are not as reliable under load, and applications can more easily crash the OS (particularly MS Office). My wife regularly runs 20 Mac applications at

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:18:44PM -0500, Eric Chadbourne wrote: Nevertheless Apple is making incredible profits. Guess I’m wrong. http://investor.apple.com/secfiling.cfm?filingid=1193125-14-157311cik=320193 Look for Net Sales by Product. Apple is a phone and tablet manufacturer with a

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Matt Shields
Going back as far as '95 I've been using Linux and ever since then I've tried over and over to use Linux on the desktop. Each time I'd have limited success, usually the main reason for going back to Windows on the desktop is because of some corporate software needs (most often Office, Outlook,

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Matt Shields
Also, I should add that back in the 2009-10 timeframe, besides the MSOffice issues. The other major issues I had were hardware related. I spent a good deal of time dealing with wifi or printer trying to figure out how to get them to work, or why they stopped working for unknown reasons. I'm

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Anthony Gabrielson
for the one or two instances I need it. Anthony - Original Message - From: Richard Pieri richard.pi...@gmail.com To: discuss@blu.org Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [Discuss] os x = poop? On 2/11/2015 10:27 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson wrote: a MB Air

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Hi Ed, I can understand your point on using OS X as the host OS but that is more of a limitation of OS X and not the other operating systems. How do you like vmware? I’ve been using virtualbox for years but I heard recently there’s only one dev really maintaining it. Too big a project for

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Bill Horne
On 2/11/2015 10:18 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: Can’t imagine using this OS as a server. Where’s RMS? Help, back me bro! Eric, We may be able to save you. S-L-O-W-L-Y reach in your pocket, grab your nail clippers, and cut the white cord that is tied around your wrist. There may be places

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/12/2015 7:49 AM, Anthony Gabrielson wrote: With that said, I'm not sure if I follow you. I think you're saying that battery life isn't that good? The author of the article above is No, I'm saying that Flash is a pig. -- Rich P. ___ Discuss

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-12 Thread John Hall
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson agabriels...@comcast.net wrote: ​​ I do think Docker would make a good replacement/supplement for package management - it is a completely self contained instance that just shares a kernel. ​Docker shares a kernel on linux distros. On

[Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Eric Chadbourne
I’ve been using a mac mini for the last few months and I must say the hardware is nice but the software is pretty bad. Push notifications in Safari (yuck), iCloud hiccuped when I moved from gmail to protonmail, iCloud can’t backup by directory by default, the default email client is very slow,

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Dr. Anthony Gabrielson
Hi Eric, I like OS X because it works for me. The OS is long term stable and doesn’t begin to flake out after a year+ of development. I do not need to focus on installing software and getting things that should work out of the box to just work. I also really like Xcode - it is much nicer than

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Dr. Anthony Gabrielson
Eric, Honestly you sound a little defensive; I am not kicking your dog. I am providing my experience, which has obviously been radically different from your experience. I do think Docker would make a good replacement/supplement for package management - it is a completely self contained

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Dr. Anthony Gabrielson
Eric, That sounds reasonable :). Good luck getting Ubuntu going on the Mini. I have actually been thinking about putting Ubuntu or Kali on a MB Air - the battery life is similar between OS X and Linux, which is really impressive. Apple does make impressive profits… Anthony On Feb 11,

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/11/2015 8:22 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: I’ve been using a mac mini for the last few months and I must say the hardware is nice but the software is pretty bad. There was a time when I called OS X the best Unix desktop out there. I meant it. It was NeXT with Apple's signature polish and by

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Eric Chadbourne
Hi Anthony, Please take my comments more as late night two beer in humor. In the end I use all OSes to get the job done. I prefer f/oss but I’m not married to it. You make a good point about docker. I’ve heard folks much smarter than I argue about shared libraries and such. I honestly

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/11/2015 9:46 PM, Eric Chadbourne wrote: 1) Gnu/Linux distros generally don’t “flake out”. It does depend on what you throw at them. Then again, the last time I was able to consistently get Linux to crash was when ext3 was still a standalone patch and there was a memory conflict with

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
One problem I have with the Mac: in the enterprise, systems pretty much have a shelf life limited to five years. Here is where that number comes from. Apple usually drops OS X support in new versions for a system about five years after it is made. (Sometimes it's a little more, sometimes less.)

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Eric Chadbourne
1) Gnu/Linux distros generally don’t “flake out”. Maybe some dev on Fedora might ignore proprietary drivers and cause issues but that can be overcome. Nothing flakes out in the last few years on my boxes. I have gotten OS X to crash a few times. Today I put a 2GB file in the iCloud drive

Re: [Discuss] os x = poop?

2015-02-11 Thread Richard Pieri
On 2/11/2015 10:27 PM, Dr. Anthony Gabrielson wrote: a MB Air - the battery life is similar between OS X and Linux, which is really impressive. Not really. About half of that is not shipping a Flash player with Safari. Apple measured an average 40% run time improvement while web browsing